If psychedelics aren’t legal, how come you can buy them online?

[Thought Art]

I vancouver canada we have Mushroom shops just opening up and operating even though its not legal. People deserve access to mushrooms.

[RMQualtrough]

Mushrooms were legal in the UK until about 2005. Crazy right? They used to sell them openly on Camden market... When I was younger, about 18ish, I used to go there and try to get DMT etc... Obviously no hope in hell, they at that time couldn't even sell mushrooms so when I asked for them they fetched me Amanita Muscaria instead.

So I guess I had interest in those things for my entire adult life.

What you probably encountered was a legal grey area of some kind. E.g., you could sell cactus here for a long time, but not extracted mescaline... And you still can I think buy spore and grow kits.

[something_else]

20 hours ago, eggopm3 said:

It's completely safe as long as you order domestically. There are dozens of legit clearnet vendors who've been operating for years in a similar way to how cannabis was sold in Canada online for years before it was legalized. In Vancouver stickers advertising mushroom and LSD websites and dispensaries are practically on every street corner.

Oh my fucking god, please no. The paper trail doing something like this leaves is just... like... mind-boggling. Maybe you'll get away with this in the short term for a few small transactions, but the amount of incrimination you potentially bring upon yourself is crazy.

If any of the vendors do get caught, the authorities now have your address, credit card info, proof of what you purchased etc. etc. Plus your ISP will see your activity, if you use Windows it has been known to spy on you for illegal activity.

Chrome or whatever browser you use likely tracks you visiting these sites and sends it god knows where, and your browser history can end up littered with illegal sites which if you do get caught could be a fucking nightmare for you because now you can't deny making the purchase.

Your bank will also see where the money goes, and if the account is then associated with illegal activity then that's another party who now knows what you're up to.

Plus these sites will not have an escrow system I expect, nor any reputation at stake, meaning the chance of exit scams or other fuckery is also through the roof.

There's no reason these sites couldn't be honeypots either.

There is soooo much that could go wrong and soooo many parties that would become aware of what you are doing that running this risk is just such a bad idea.

Please, please, never purchase anything off the clearnet. Even if it will 'probably' be fine, it is just soooo not worth the risk.

On 20/08/2022 at 6:50 AM, Vynce said:

What protocol? There is literally zero good advice, what and whom you can trust there. The deep web feels like a mob of drunk children. 

There is plenty, you just need to go looking a bit harder. It's not especially easy to find but that's kind of how it has to be by its nature.

[eggopm3]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

Oh my fucking god, please no.

You're paranoid af, this would not be viable in the US but Canada is not the US. This has been going on for years with tens of thousands (more?) of customers across the country. They are so reliable that many of these sources are MORE trustworthy than the darkweb. The place I order mushrooms from even had their founder share his real name and do an interview about his growing techniques. Of course scams do still exist and need to be watched out for, but drugs are basically de-facto decriminalized in Vancouver. Nobody is getting arrested for psychedelics here. Come to Canada and visit the psychedelic promised land. 

[Thought Art]

I don't know the statistics in Canada around psychedelic arrests. I have not heard of anyone being arrested who had it for personal use. 

If you are selling drugs, or/or drugs and weapons then yeah. You are going to get arrested. They will arrest you for selling hard drugs and/or weapons.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/microdosing-rise-canada-calgary-shrooms-1.6362036

Edited August 21, 2022 by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

@something_else Why wouldn't Chrome just not show the sites? 

[something_else]

1 hour ago, eggopm3 said:

You're paranoid af, this would not be viable in the US but Canada is not the US. This has been going on for years with tens of thousands (more?) of customers across the country. They are so reliable that many of these sources are MORE trustworthy than the darkweb. The place I order mushrooms from even had their founder share his real name and do an interview about his growing techniques. Of course scams do still exist and need to be watched out for, but drugs are basically de-facto decriminalized in Vancouver. Nobody is getting arrested for psychedelics here. Come to Canada and visit the psychedelic promised land. 

Paranoia should be the default when you are doing something that has the potential to see you sent to prison.

I do live in a country with archaic drug laws (UK) and even though we typically don't prosecute for personal use quantities either, I am not risking my whole life because I didn't take an extra hour or two's worth of precaution.

It sounds like you live in a country where it is perhaps reasonably safe but that is still only a minority of countries in the world. In most countries you are putting yourself at enormous risk by ordering psychedelics off the clearnet, if the sites even exist to begin with. In most countries I would bet if you find a site that does this it will be a scam anyway.

So you have to be careful endorsing this kind of approach on forums online because you will influence people for whom doing the same as you is likely far far riskier.

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

@something_else I'm not sure. Canada is less and less interested in prosecuting people for personal possession as well. There is a movement to decriminalize mushrooms and small amounts of personal possession in general. etc. It is risky. Many of these sites don't sell only things that are illegal but, many of them sell mixture of products. They don't generally keep your information.

Prosecution for personal possession is worse than the drug itself for communities. It's literally retardation. 

The science around something like Mushrooms is to strong and compelling... They need to be legalized in a safe way which will take years and it will happen.

 

I agree with you entirely, but most of the world don't live in a country like Canada that is so relaxed.

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

@something_else Why wouldn't Chrome just not show the sites? 

Lots of reasons. It's hard to differentiate between a site that sells illegal items and a site that just talks about them, so they'd get a lot of false positives by trying to hard block a site like that which would definitely cause lots of people to stop using the browser. Rules also vary in different countries which makes it hard to enforce. Most restrictions like this are enforced at ISP level. For example many ISPs in my country are required by law to block pirating sites. It doesn't really work, but they give it their best shot.

Google will almost certainly profile you to the point of knowing that you are into psychedelics and I'm almost certain there are cases of them turning data like that over to authorities. For example I have read they run files uploaded to GDrive through a hashing algorithm that checks them against a database of hashes for illegal files and if you match something like child porn then you are reported to your local authorities. I believe Microsoft also started doing this with all the files on your PC at one point. And Apple talked about doing it with photos in your iPhone. Obviously this is a great thing for something like child porn, but it implies that they could do something similar with something like drug use which is far less cut and dry. Yes, that's probably not likely, but this is the kind of thing where you want to take a better safe than sorry approach.

[Thought Art]

@something_else In that case these people selling drugs should be easy to track and take down. It should be very easy to shut down these sites… 

There’s a bunch of sites selling shrooms in Canada that are legit. I have no idea how this is happening. They are all in BC too which is where the actually brick and mortar stores are popping up.
 

To all the you tubers who speak openly and consume drugs where they are illegal… why aren’t they arrested already? I mean, they basically yell to the masses they buy and consume these things. 

Edited August 21, 2022 by Thought Art

[JuliusCaesar]

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

why aren’t they arrested already?

That one's obvious, the relevant law enforcement officials are clearly not using the internet to crack down on people in this way. Though if you try selling acid on Facebook or somewhere similar, you're going to jail because their mods will report you. This is not so much applicable to people just talking about their experiences. In part because America is a free country where you're innocent until proven guilty. How would the YouTube or Facebook moderators know that you've done a substance in your homeland where it is illegal? For all they know, you did in a foreign country where the same is not a criminal offense like Spain. For this reason alone, it's supremely unlikely that you're putting yourself in danger by speaking about your psychedelic experiences online, so long as you don't say anything that specifically incriminates you, in that instance, it may be different.

[something_else]

9 hours ago, Thought Art said:

In that case these people selling drugs should be easy to track and take down. It should be very easy to shut down these sites… 

Well it seems that the Canadian government doesn't care, which is fantastic. I hope they don't start shutting them down. I wish it was like this in the rest of the world lol. Sounds quite similar to the Netherlands actually.

Edited August 22, 2022 by something_else

[Vynce]

@something_else I know sourcing is banned here, but can you give me a hint, where to find a good protocol or place for more advice in regards of exploring the deep web for trustworthy vendors? I researched for about 2-3 hours and only got headaches and frustration. For now, the deep web feels like an online mental hospital. 

[Danioover9000]

 

   And this, is the vicious cache twenty two of this place, on the one hand recommending psychedelics, and talking about how to handle one safely apart from other self help or spiritual topics. However, if you don't know how to acquire one, and don't have a psychedelic, and don't know how to actually acquire a specific type, then, while advice of how to manage what synthetic psychedelics or natural psychedelics is relevant, when you don't have or know no way of getting one, it becomes irrelevant until you have one. Any answer that explicitly suggests where and how you gain a psychedelic, is drug sourcing, which is illegal. So, in one hand, you should ideally get more helpful info of getting one first, not just what and how to handle a psychedelic, but you can't provide how you acquired them exactly because it's illegal, so it becomes a catch twenty two.

   I think you are smart enough to find out yourself and research yourself, maybe start researching which country has which type of psychedelic you are interested in that's legal to purchase, and plan to visit there in the future.

Edited August 22, 2022 by Danioover9000

[something_else]

@Danioover9000 I mean, it isn't that hard to get them in most first world countries to be honest. Just ask around any nightclub and you'll get 5 numbers in a night.

You can find sourcing info super easily elsewhere online as well. The lack of direct sourcing here is pretty much just a legal formality, it isn't going to stop anyone who really wants to get their hands on them. 

The default response when someone asks about sourcing psychedelics on a form like this should really just be "if you aren't willing to even spend 15 minutes on Google doing your own research, you aren't ready for psychedelics anyway"

[Danioover9000]

@something_else

3 hours ago, something_else said:

@Danioover9000 I mean, it isn't that hard to get them in most first world countries to be honest. Just ask around any nightclub and you'll get 5 numbers in a night.

You can find sourcing info super easily elsewhere online as well. The lack of direct sourcing here is pretty much just a legal formality, it isn't going to stop anyone who really wants to get their hands on them. 

The default response when someone asks about sourcing psychedelics on a form like this should really just be "if you aren't willing to even spend 15 minutes on Google doing your own research, you aren't ready for psychedelics anyway"

   Sure, but I don't see what problem you have with me though?