Lecture about disclipine

[Kksd74628]

Example

Think about something you'd like to achieve in middle - long term. It could be anything from 3 months to couple of years. I'll tell you that you aren't going to achieve those goals without making change in your mindset. So the key is to think when you play piano that you're pianist, when you do push ups that you're fighter and when you study that you are very smart nerd. So you have to understand that whatever you do, you must put yourself to the stake. Guy who does push ups here and there can skip some trainings, but bloody soldier can't and that's why it's extremely important to train your disclipine.

Main part

Disclipine is skill of doing important things regardless of how do you feel. Many spiritual people may tell you to be gentle to yourself and your body, but that's highly misunderstood. That means not to believe your weaknesses, hate yourself or do anything stupid which could cause suffering in the long run. It isn't excuse card to pass training, work or studying when you feel low. Spirituality doesn't equal laziness, but that's something that you came up with yourself. The whole point is to have best life possible and if you can't achieve your dreams then don't kid with me that you'd have the best life possible, because you obviously don't.

The main reason why people lack disclipine is that they lack vision of what they want and how they are going to achieve that in the future. In life you shouldn't wish things which you could have anyways. I mean you could wish, but at least don't sit on your sofa thinking that possibilities come knock at your door. When you start actually living this life FOR REAL and dropping your stupid expectations away you'll build yourself again way stronger than you ever thought was even possible. Think about your plans every day and do things which you need to do in order to have those. 

You have to learn to appreciate the path and the journey, because those are the only things you have at the end of the day. When you really like achieving something the results come faster than you thought. If you only do what you do to guarantee that you don't need to do it in the future then your mindset and goals are shitty. The goal is not to reach state where you can be lazy again, but to appreciate the joy of work so much that you don't mind doing it. Actually you will fall in love with your life and you can enjoy it by being and doing and that's the correct way to be happy always.

End words

Maybe it's kind of oldish, but I really believe doing couple push ups a day builds your male energy, disclipine and drive in life so I challenge you to do at least 100 push ups daily without breaking your streak. Time can't be your excuse, because last time I did 100 push ups it took me about 50 seconds so stop fucking crying and start pushing yourself. The goal is to make you soldier and fighter who achieves whatever you want from your life. So I really would be proud of you if you'd take 5 minutes to do as many push ups as you can and post your result here.

With love -joNi-

[r0ckyreed]

What do you think of David Lion’s perspective of discipline? I agree with everything you wrote so far and also this video.

Thanks for the 100 push-up challenge. I will try it out! Your post is very insightful. Thank you! Bookmarked! ?

OP can you rename the post to Discipline Challenge? Thanks.

 

Day 1: 8/11/22

Pushups: Did 50 pushups all on my knuckles with 5 minute timer. 25 straight pushups. Had to take breaks like 5-10 times after 25.

Pull-ups: I did 30 pull-ups in 5 minutes with multiple breaks. I did 10 straight.

Ran 1.7 miles in 10:18

Edited August 12, 2022 by r0ckyreed

[Ulax]

Some useful stuff here for sure imo.

However, i think its important to include the variables that trauma and neurodivergence bring into play re the ability to be disciplined. For many, those things need to be checked, and if necessary addressed. Otherwise, life will be v frustrating, and discipline a herculean task

[hyruga]

Doing push-ups make you hunchback. It's better to do pull ups.

[hyruga]

Discipline is one of the most important traits for success. You can be positively or negatively motivated but you won't be motivated all the time. That's when discipline come in. You have to do the work whether you feel like it or not. Some good tips to help with discipline is forming good habits, strong vision and powerful self image of yourself.

Edited August 11, 2022 by hyruga

[Kksd74628]

@r0ckyreed

That's fucking lit bro . I watched David Lion's take on disclipine and I agree that what you do must come from your highest values, goals and ideas. The thing that I just wanted to point out is that you can't always live in "blissipline" and sometimes day comes when you don't want to do something, but you have to do it anyways. That doesn't need to come from anger per se, but yelling to yourself COME ON really helps you to ignite your burried fighter that is ready to battle.

[Kksd74628]

@Ulax

I understand that doing things varies in difficulty between people and there are many variables that affect on it, but saying to yourself that I can't be disclipined because of my condition is just telling yourself lies that weaken you, because EVERYONE CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT!! Of course inner work should be done as well simultaneosly, but start your work today and don't wait until your traumas are healed or you'll never do anything. While you become disclipine also your self-esteem and confidence grows and I'd say that this helps also in curing traumas.

[Kksd74628]

@hyruga

Exactly!

[Kksd74628]

@r0ckyreed

Check this out! 

 

[BipolarGrowth]

Really solid thread man. I’d love to talk more about this kind of stuff with you in the future. 

[BlessedLion]

Such an important topic, possibly the most important. 
 

I believe most people know what they need to do to be successful and happy, it’s actually kinda simple, excercise eat healthy build knowledge follow your passion meditate socialize whatever. But the issue is not that we don’t know but that we are so bombared with programming and stimulation that it’s nearly impossible to stay on track. Especially Today. 
 

Discipline is the cure all, it gets you strong confident and focused. Even if it’s discipline in something shallow, it will still build your character. You take life a lot less for granted. 
 

My opinion though, it needs to be balanced. I’ve had stints where I’m like 6AM wake up meditate for 2 hours run work talk to girls read blah blah blah and by the end of the day I’m fucking exhausted and kinda stressed

 

now my only rule is, spend 6 hours per day alone in contemplation with no distraction. Other than that no rules (except no porn or drugs) and this has provided massive growth. 
 

I even let myself binge on a stupid reality Netflix show at night just to give my ego a little bit of unconsciousness 

 

such a valid pillar though, discipline. The crux of success

[Ulax]

5 hours ago, Kksd74628 said:

@Ulax

I understand that doing things varies in difficulty between people and there are many variables that affect on it, but saying to yourself that I can't be disclipined because of my condition is just telling yourself lies that weaken you, because EVERYONE CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT!! Of course inner work should be done as well simultaneosly, but start your work today and don't wait until your traumas are healed or you'll never do anything. While you become disclipine also your self-esteem and confidence grows and I'd say that this helps also in curing traumas.

I think we have a difference of opinion

[Kksd74628]

@Ulax

Why is that, could you elaborate on what are the exact points you agree/disagree so we can build bridge between perspectives and maybe even learn something?

[Ulax]

1 hour ago, Kksd74628 said:

@Ulax

Why is that, could you elaborate on what are the exact points you agree/disagree so we can build bridge between perspectives and maybe even learn something?

@Kksd74628 I like your response. I'll try to drop you a reply later

[Kksd74628]

@Ulax

Thanks, I'll wait you : )

[r0ckyreed]

@Kksd74628 You are a badass. So glad you made a Gym here. Can’t wait to join the Actualized.org Gym lol! ??

[Ulax]

11 hours ago, Kksd74628 said:

@Ulax

I understand that doing things varies in difficulty between people and there are many variables that affect on it, but saying to yourself that I can't be disclipined because of my condition is just telling yourself lies that weaken you, because EVERYONE CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT!! Of course inner work should be done as well simultaneosly, but start your work today and don't wait until your traumas are healed or you'll never do anything. While you become disclipine also your self-esteem and confidence grows and I'd say that this helps also in curing traumas.

Here is me replying to you.

I'll park my point about neurodivergence for now, as I am assuming you are responding only to my point that trauma needs to be addressed and identified, if one is to be able to be disciplined. Am I understanding you correctly?

I'll start by identifying what I see to be the distinct claims you make:

1. "I understand that doing things varies in difficulty between people and there are many variables that affect on it, but saying to yourself that I can't be disclipined because of my condition is just telling yourself lies that weaken you, because EVERYONE CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT"

2. "Of course inner work should be done as well simultaneosly, but start your work today and don't wait until your traumas are healed or you'll never do anything"

3. "While you become disclipine also your self-esteem and confidence grows and I'd say that this helps also in curing traumas"

Responding to (1.):

"I understand that doing things varies in difficulty between people and there are many variables that affect on it, but saying to yourself that I can't be disclipined because of my condition is just telling yourself lies that weaken you, because EVERYONE CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT"

I actually agree with your explicit claim. However, I suspect that we understand the claim to mean different things.

I agree because having trauma isn't necessarily a barrier to becoming disciplined. However, I think for a significant amount of people if people try to become disciplined without healing their trauma then they will necessarily fail.

I agree because I believed everyone with trauma can become disciplined but this would only necessarily be true if they all healed their trauma. So, while all non-traumatised persons would need to do basic self-help to become disciplined, a significant amount of people with trauma would need to heal their trauma, and then do basic self-help to become disciplined. So you see that the process of becoming disciplined would require more from a traumatised person.

A significant amount of those with trauma will fail to become disciplined because of self-sabotaging parts. I use parts in the 'internal family systems' sense. A significant amount of people with trauma will have parts that will prevent the person from performing actions that contribute to success. Such parts are what I identify to be self-sabotaging parts. For example, if someone was bullied they may have a part that associates attention with danger. Success often is accompanied by attention. Therefore, that part seeks to avoid success as it sees success as dangerous. A disciplined lifestyle is a lifestyle cultivated to achieve success in a domain. It would follow that such a part would associate discipline with danger as well, and therefore resist such a lifestyle. Therefore, a significant amount of those with trauma will fail to become disciplined because of self-sabotaging parts

Responding to 2.

"Of course inner work should be done as well simultaneosly, but start your work today and don't wait until your traumas are healed or you'll never do anything"

I agree with this.

For example, let's say someone aims to make £10,000 in a year. Let's call them Simon. Simon picked this goals as he wants to make as much money as he can and decides its a sensible target for himself. Simon understands that achieving this aim will require a certain number of acts, with each act he does contributing more to this aimed total and correspondingly require a certain amount of discipline. Simon then come to believe the following things.

1. He has trauma

2. With his current trauma, even if he give his best efforts to healing, he would have self-sabotaging parts that would prevent him from achieving the required discipline to achieve his £10,000 aim.

3. With his current trauma, even if unhealed, he could make a non-nominal amount of money this year.

4. The more Simon attempts to heal his trauma, the likely he'll be more disciplined

Simon evaluates his beliefs and decides that he won't try anything. 

I think Simon would be foolish in that example.

Given his aims, it would best for him to do as you say. Work as disciplined as he can, accepting he is handicapped by how disciplined he can be and attempt to heal the trauma simultaneously so as to increase the likelihood of his monetary return being maximised.

Responding to 3.

3. "While you become disciplined also your self-esteem and confidence grows and I'd say that this helps also in curing traumas"

I think this can help a bit. However, I think there is a cap on how much help becoming disciplined can improve your self-esteem and confidence. Also, becoming disciplined could even have detrimental consequences on the self-esteem of parts of traumatised people. I am defining confidence and self-esteem as being about how well you can meet the demands of your environment. I return again to an IFS understanding of the mind. I think some parts will, by becoming disciplined, increase in self-esteem and confidence. For example, say there is a part that wants to achieve material success, by becoming disciplined towards a particular aim the probability of success is increased. So, the likelihood that that parts sees itself as being able to meet the demands of its environment is increased because the demands of the environment for that part are about getting from A to B, despite whatever the circumstances may be. Consequently, the self-esteem and confidence is increased.

However, no traumatised psyche is made up of parts that only want success. Returning to the example, let's say there is a part who when that person was put down by peers for winning a science competition, decided that they were a bad person if they were successful and that success meant being unsafe. They feel shame whenever they are successful. For this part, becoming disciplined will not increase the likelihood of that part feeling self-esteem or confidence. In fact it will increase the likelihood of the part feeling lower self-esteem and confidence. The reason being that the part feels better able to meet the demands of its environment when unsuccessful, as there is less fear of being unsafe.

[Kksd74628]

@Ulax

So this was fun, because the only disagreement was that you thought that I said that you could go in life being fully discipline without curing your traumas which I think is possible for some people, but I didn't even say that. I just meant that nothing is stopping you to become succesful and best way to start changing your life is by changing your actions so your mindset changes so your whole life transforms. Also I just wanted to point out that almost everything people say is excuse, because you are the only one who is stopping you.

[Ulax]

@Kksd74628 Okay, I think the disagreement was more in the implications I saw you to be making.

On another point, I think the mindset has to change before the actions do.

[Kksd74628]

@Ulax

It can go either way, because what you do changes your "identity" which changes what you do and so for. Still you are right that the mindset has to change if you want to achieve long term goals.