I'm slipping into incel mentality

[Raptorsin7]

@Aleister Crowleyy Good luck bro, keep trying different things. I was suicidal a few years ago too so i can relate to the struggle, but life can turn around so quickly and there's so much potential for an awesome life.

[Raptorsin7]

@Aleister Crowleyy You got this. 

[Tyler Robinson]

1 hour ago, Aleister Crowleyy said:

Assuming you are female you should understand we Men are not emotional like women. Even writing that claim you're interpreting it through your emotional system. You can't see outside of it. You want this fantasy of feeling vulnerable to a guy/girl during sex connecting to his/ her ego while he/she dominates(while you/they/it are receptive). You don't value the actual sex itself the way Men do. The energy of the sex is what we crave. 

Yea I'm a female. I just don't get it. I don't need to view it from my lense. I have had plenty of guys who used to have emotional breakdowns and they didn't want the girl only for sleeping. They wanted her for more. It's not fantasy at all. Saying that men can't be emotional is reducing them to robots.

I don't know about you though. You make it look very mechanical but a lot of men are quite emotional. 

[Tyler Robinson]

5 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

So true.

It's funny though, because I don't actually want a relationship etc, so when I actually let myself think "nothing matters", that means I don't even want to go out and talk to women at all. Because like, deep down, I don't really want that. And that scares me.

There have been only a few occasions where I was genuinely turned on by a girl, and not just going through motions to get validation at the end. And I would go out literally every weekend without fail. Many nights out, I don't find ANYONE attractive at all, which just makes me super frustrated.

Totally relatable. Often people feel turned off rather than being turned on. 

[NoSelfSelf]

@Aleister Crowleyy dont come here with your shallow level of thinking attacking thats on level 1 while what i said is level 5 so it flew over your head so far that you cant even see it ?

[Tyler Robinson]

16 minutes ago, Aleister Crowleyy said:

I was being a jerk making a joke hahaha. I myself am very emotional.

When a man is not in a relationship predominantly he has this urge to move away from the hand toward something more real. It just comes off as sounding dull when I try to articulate the feeling inside me.

I would hope a guy wants a girl for more than sleeping with. Personally, I honestly get as big of a dopamine hit simply talking to girls than having sex with them. Still, the sex is a huge part of the interaction between both partners(men have a huge sex drive).

You know what. Guys who pretend to be lacking in emotions are more emotional than dudes who act Emo and crybaby. Most guys who do that, it's just an act because they are aware that being vulnerable can attract a woman more easily than being stoic. It's all a show. A mask. A facade. A charade. 

I could sense from your posts that you're an emotional person. Good for you. The world needs more emotion than logic. 

Cheers. 

[Tudo]

14 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

You know what. Guys who pretend to be lacking in emotions are more emotional than dudes who act Emo and crybaby. Most guys who do that, it's just an act because they are aware that being vulnerable can attract a woman more easily than being stoic. It's all a show. A mask. A facade. A charade. 

I could sense from your posts that you're an emotional person. Good for you. The world needs more emotion than logic. 

Cheers. 

It's attractive when the guy is  being vulnerable at the right moments. Emo and crybabies guys usually are attractive only on the internet lol  women don't even look at these kinds of men in real life.

The stoic guy that is emotional in the right moment, and can control his emotions if needed is the most attractive.

[Tyler Robinson]

Just now, Tudo said:

It's attractive when the guy is  being vulnerable at the right moments. Emo and crybabies guys usually are attractive only on the internet lol  women don't even look at these kinds of men in real life.

The stoic guy that is emotional in the right moment, and can control his emotions if needed is the most attractive.

Totally agree. Women crave for a balance. If a guy got too emotional with me, I might freak out, I'm not know how to handle him, or I might feel unprotected because the thing is that "wanting to be protected by a man" is drilled into our female biology through evolution (thanks to patriarchy), so when you see a man having a mental breakdown, it can sometimes inspire fear rather than sympathy, my first thought can be like - "does this guy need a rehab?," it can leave the girl completely clueless, plus with guys you can't say something like, "hey baby, just relax," because some guys don't like to be told what they should do in the moment, so I can reckon that expressing emotions for men can be incredibly harder, since they themselves are pretty confused on how to go about it without coming off looking like a Wuss, but at the same time a man who is too stoic and holding it in might be causing himself emotional harm because he is all keeping it pent up inside, this explain why some men have rage issues, they have unreleased emotions that they couldn't find a venting for and suddenly some day it all comes out like a huge outpouring of rage and anger. 

I feel like society impairs men by dictating attraction around emotional expression and that's cruel.

[Jacob Morres]

Imagine not having any water and someone demonizes you for being upset for caring so much about water.

Why u care so much about dat water man?? There's so much else to life than water! ! That's such a meaningless existence you live! 

Sex is a primal need on Maslow hierarchy of need, the base pillar actually 

Really easy to say all that shit when you're abundant in it 

Use some listening skills and ull see where OP Is coming from 

Some yall on this forum too logical. Comes with the territory I guess 

@Tyler Robinson

Edited August 14, 2022 by Jacob Morres

[Bando]

21 hours ago, Kwashiorkor said:

White women are attracted to thugs, bad-boys and nig**** (black men). White women must be forcibly prevented from fraternizing with Afro-Caribbean and Jamaican males. This can only be achieved by revoking their sexual and social freedoms.

Mods you guys allow crap like this to be posted?

[NoSelfSelf]

@Bando @Something Funny i just gave him warning points 5 min ago if he does it again ill ban him(told him too)

[something_else]

4 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Bando @Something Funny i just gave him warning points 5 min ago if he does it again ill ban him(told him too)

Assuming you're talking about @Kwashiorkor? Just ban him. What he said is like so fucking dumb you can tell nothing valuable is ever going to come from him here ever

[NoSelfSelf]

@something_else i realize that and i need to give users time to reflect and maybe they will change their attitude and appreciete it but let me do my job in my way ?

[BlessedLion]

On 8/13/2022 at 0:01 PM, Loba said:

A lot of the dudes here are emotionally unhinged in various ways, I've noticed this.  If you make a statement that they don't like - such as not really having good experiences with men, and not wanting other women to have to go through the same struggles you went through - they will insult you, call you all sorts of names for your own bad experiences, only for you to later find out that they are actually nothing more than suicidal incels.  It kind of throws me for a loop when you express your opinions, only to have someone call you all sorts of names and then, as it turns out, they're just a super damaged person taking it out on you.  Just my two cents.

I genuinely feel bad for a lot of the men here, but at the same time a lot of you guys have really messed up views of the opposite sex, so much so that it kind of low key messes with my own views of men.  I don't know what to think of this new generation of twenty-something year olds, it's like you are both way more passive and aggressive at the same time, super dysregulated and it's like the genuine qualities of true masculinity are disappearing.  I don't know fully what to say, in some ways, society is screwing you over, but at the same time, I don't see this new generation as being good parents, having lasting relationships, or any of that.  

Then again, maybe guys were always like this, and I just didn't see it because I didn't have a forum to attend where men are so open about their struggles.  It reads to me like two different species trying to work together.  What I gather, from looking through many of these threads, is that a lot of men just don't see women as people, they view them as objects for gratification - and that coming to understand them, their needs, their wants, their dreams, seems to take a backseat.  Clearly I need to reassess my views, I wish I had found this forum in my early twenties when I still had rose tinted glasses.

I don't think that men and women can genuinely get along for longer than what is necessary to reproduce, and I think the gap between the two is only going to get more severe.  We're going to see way more men in the upcoming generations not knowing how to talk to women, how to interact with them and losing out on what they are looking for - sex, and women will be stuck with weak men who lack masculinity, who don't know how to interact with them and they won't be able to love and respect them.

I think I may take my leave from this section of the forum for good, because I don't like the idea of coming off as bitter and miserable, it doesn't sit right with me, but at the same time, I see the trend in how the world is turning out and it's hard not to feel that way - I don't want this forum to convert me into someone who irredeemably could never trust a male again, but upon further inspection, the collective psychology of this place is kind of damaging - if there was an equal amount of feminine energy here, it might be different.

@Loba I wouldn’t use this forum as a place to gauge what men are like today. It’s kinda a cesspool where people who don’t have success with women take out their angst about and talk about how close they are to suicide. It’s a form of therapy. 
so of course these men are not going to be super respectful and masculine to the women here. This shouldn’t surprise you at all. 
 

while it’s true that men are pro skirt interested in sex I think what is understated is that men also value the emotional connection, the love and approval we get, companionship, the laughter and feeling like a man. If not ALL guys would just have sex with prostitutes, watch porn, or fuck sex dolls. 
 

there are plenty of men who improve themselves as humans and study sexuality, relationships and how to respectfully treat a women. Unfortunately there just a lot of messiness on both sides throughout this proccess. The guys here though, the incels, they are pretty bitter about never having success with women so when they sound like jerks it shouldn’t be a shock 

[Raze]

8 hours ago, Loba said:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S93-iwxGmI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tAVhKfcs6A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBtbEpZX7iM

 

[RMQualtrough]

On 14/08/2022 at 6:31 AM, Bando said:

Mods you guys allow crap like this to be posted?

Fucking LOL.

[Emotionalmosquito]

On 8/10/2022 at 3:52 PM, Nilsi said:

you have to start with making yourself uncomfortable

Opioid withdrawal tends to make people pretty damn uncomfortable. Might that help?

Why do guys like OP get called creeps? Because they make people feel uncomfortable. But here we are in the self help community saying it’s good to be uncomfortable. What gives? It’s like the very feeling we unintentionally cause in others is what we need to feel more of ourselves if we want to evolve.

Edited August 16, 2022 by Emotionalmosquito

[Emotionalmosquito]

These are your best years when your hormones are raging, when you are in your best shape and your boner is rock hard, your body and your mind is craving for sex. Genuine emotions, kissing, cuddling and skin contact with your significant other is what makes you feel fulfilled and satisfied because it releases oxytocin which is crucial for stable mental health, healthy nervous and cardiovascular systems, it can literally cure depression, anxiety, neurosis. Missing this vital experience will pernamently damage your mental health and nervous system. No wonder why adult virgins are so depressed, unproductive. neurotic, immature and have no strenght to leave their rooms let alone working and studying. You will simply become disabled.

The modern world and its ventures are designed for socialized couples, not lonely guys, couples are more likely to be invited and are getting preferential treatments and expading network. Incels are like ghosts, they rarely leave their houses, they have no presence on social media, they're seeing the social disparity and are ashamed of even giving a sign of their existence. That's why you don't see them, even if they try they get treated like shit while being gaslighted. It's a double whammy for them, they are like half-dead fishes lying on the bottom of the oceans while normies are like dolphins vigorously jumping out of water.

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Emotionalmosquito

[Emotionalmosquito]

To all the people telling him to focus on himself and his life first: refer to

On 8/10/2022 at 2:53 PM, Someone here said:

I don't know what to say, honestly.  I am fit and healthy, I consider myself good looking .I take care of myself, I have hobbies/interests, yet here I at 26 and it feels like every woman I ever meet in isn't interested in me in any shape or form.

Beautiful post OP. I don’t think any other post on here has resonated more deeply. Especially:

On 8/10/2022 at 2:53 PM, Someone here said:

I cant be anywhere near girls because anything i do is considered "creepy". every other guy is fine but im a "creep" just because the way i come off. ive never harassed anyone i just exist and that a problem. everyone subconsciously wants me to hang myself in the woods and not exist. I'm beginning to get paranoid about it .

This has been a recurring theme for most of my life even though I’m trying my best. It’s like you can’t even feel safe trying anymore. It has given me dreams where I’ll be having a good time with a new group I just met only to be met by managers or cops telling me to exit. I made a thread about an injustice at a bar about a year ago and one of the only people that said it wasn’t all my fault was one of the mods.

I feel like I’ve tried just about everything and I’m running out of options.

[Devin]

5 minutes ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

To all the people telling him to focus on himself and his life first: refer to

Beautiful post OP. I don’t think any other post on here has resonated more deeply. Especially:

This has been a recurring theme for most of my life even though I’m trying my best. It’s like you can’t even feel safe trying anymore. It has given me dreams where I’ll be having a good time with a new group I just met only to be met by managers or cops telling me to exit. I made a thread about an injustice at a bar about a year ago and one of the only people that said it wasn’t all my fault was one of the mods.

I feel like I’ve tried just about everything and I’m running out of options.

Try not believing the crap you put in the previous post, it's a lie you're telling yourself, single guys can have great lives socially and solo

Edited August 16, 2022 by Devin