I'm slipping into incel mentality

[NoSelfSelf]

@Someone here because having no game and looking for only sex will make you come of as creepy thirsty needy...

 

[Tyler Robinson]

35 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Well..because by far ..it is the best feeling in the world. Can you think of a healthy example of something that feels as near good ? I said "healthy " because you could argue that cocaine feels better .

I cling to the personal idea that sex is NOT something to share with a special someone as an expression of love. I d feel comfortable with the idea of having sex for pleasure. 

But still...Within a committed relationship, sex is one of the key elements that help to foster the level of intimacy you will never get anywhere else, with anyone else. It is a wonderful beautiful thing.

Outside of a committed relationship, sex is a helluva lot of fun and feels *really* good.

 

Umm. I don't know.. I never had something like that outside of a meaningful context. I can't imagine something like that because it would make me feel kinda lifeless. No emotion, no feel, no appeal. For me emotional connection matters. I don't even remember if I ever had something like that. Nope. Why don't you hire a hooker? 

I mean if casual is what you're lookin for, simply get laid with a hooker. Most women aren't pleased by the idea of casual sex unless you're into clubbing. 

I never been to a club. That's not my lifestyle and even if I go to a club I would still be looking for a man who is trying to woo me, have a relationship and then sleep with him, I mean not without context. 

[Gesundheit2]

You have to understand the chaotic nature of the feminine energy. Any sexual attempt that seems direct, organized, pre-planned, etc... to them, that's a major turn off. It's boring. And at best it makes them feel stressed/limited, and at worst it makes them feel like a prostitute. Women flourish in chaos, they just are not compatible with order, or at least so they think. So in order for you to lure in a woman, you need to learn how to create a pre-planned chaotic experience and be the director/driver of that experience and at the center of it. You have to make it seem like everything is happening spontaneously, and yet everything is somehow working in your favor and going your way. From the moment your eyes first meet, every little step is getting you closer to that pussy, so innocently, with no effort or will of your own. You're just playing, and she's just enjoying. Learn to integrate chaos into your life so that it becomes like a second nature to you. Chaos is a creative force when controlled perfectly. Learn how to tame it, and you will capture the eyes of everyone around you, including and primarily, those of women.

Edited August 10, 2022 by Gesundheit2

[something_else]

18 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Seriously I don't believe in this. This is like perpetuating the same old tropes that got you roped in the first place. A mentality that is fed to men that their life is nothing without sex, this is so destructive and it seems like social conditioning. Of course everything is social conditioning, you simply cannot deny this.

Is the desire to drink water social conditioning? Sex is really a biological need like drinking water and eating food. It isn't completely social conditioning, it's a strong biological drive built into the deepest parts of our brains. For guys (with high sex drives especially), it's hard to focus on anything else when you aren't getting your sexual needs met. It's like trying to work all day at a job when you're hungry or thirsty. It's hard to focus.

31 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

I don't think it has anything to do with age. Why should age matter anyway? Whatever stage you're at you want a fulfilling relationship? In fact it would be more advisable to look for casual stuff for older folks because they could be tired of relationship drama or not have much time for it. It's a dangerous idea to constantly pedal how casual sex is so goood, it makes people not appreciate the beauty of a full blown wholesome healthy relationship, whether you're young or old, you always want something worthy of your time and energy, and most importantly you don't want to lose interest in intimacy, that could be dangerous and lead to addiction to sex. It kinda becomes a loop. Hard to get out of once you're hooked on it. 

This is simply your opinion/POV and all I can do is respectfully disagree. My primary argument against this POV would be that it's hard to find a relationship you think is worth committing to deeply if you don't have a lot of experience.

When you want to go shopping online, you don't pick the first shop that sells the item you want and go with it. You have a look around and see what's out there to get yourself the deal that's best for you. Think about it, what are the chances you meet the best partner for you to spend the rest of your life with on your first or second try? That seems super duper unlikely, and it's also an awfully high risk to take.

[Tyler Robinson]

12 minutes ago, something_else said:

When you want to go shopping online, you don't pick the first shop that sells the item you want and go with it. You have a look around and see what's out there to get yourself the deal that's best for you. Think about it, what are the chances you meet the best partner for you to spend the rest of your life with on your first or second try? That seems super duper unlikely, and it's also an awfully high risk to take.

Trying and looking for someone is one thing and casually sleeping with multiple people is another. The former involves being serious and diligent and the latter is a way to gratify temporary desires. You can't have a serious life partner if you aren't going to be serious about it. Of course I don't deny that sometimes you could develop feelings and might have accidentally landed yourself a gem on a one night stand, but the probability of such a thing is still slim. 

[Tyler Robinson]

19 minutes ago, something_else said:

Is the desire to drink water social conditioning? Sex is really a biological need like drinking water and eating food. It isn't completely social conditioning, it's a strong biological drive built into the deepest parts of our brains. For guys (with high sex drives especially), it's hard to focus on anything else when you aren't getting your sexual needs met. It's like trying to work all day at a job when you're hungry or thirsty. It's hard to focus.

Many people live out their entire lives without ever having had sex. So I don't know why you would compare it to food and drink. Yes, it's a biological need indeed, but I never saw anyone going insane without it, I guess most people do just fine, including men. And there's always the hooker option. I guess most men just do fine with porn always available. Tbh, whatever you're describing looks akin to a Sex addict than a normal guy. I have male friends (not to mention boyfriends) and a few of them don't have a girlfriend yet and I can tell you they aren't dying. They are focused on their careers much more than their romantic lives. Sex can wait. 

 

Edited August 10, 2022 by Tyler Robinson

[tezk]

1 hour ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Seriously I don't believe in this. This is like perpetuating the same old tropes that got you roped in the first place. A mentality that is fed to men that their life is nothing without sex, this is so destructive and it seems like social conditioning. Of course everything is social conditioning, you simply cannot deny this. The brain learns to pick on whatever it is fed with. You feel dull without sex because society has ingrained into your mind a lower social value if you can't have a woman, it has damaged men, just like society wants women to believe that all of her worth is in her appearance. This is dangerous gender conditioning. Not too long ago, homosexuality was considered an illness. Give up these constructs and life will be much happier. 

Lol until you have a dick you will not understand what sex means from a male perspective 

[Tyler Robinson]

2 minutes ago, tezk said:

Lol until you have a dick you will not understand what sex means from a male perspective 

Whatever. It's no big deal. I don't hear it from men who are my friends. Maybe some sex crazies come here. Red pill shit. 

Edited August 10, 2022 by Tyler Robinson

[mr_engineer]

4 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Whatever. It's no big deal. I don't hear it from men who are my friends. Maybe some sex crazies come here. Red pill shit. 

They don't tell you cuz they know you won't believe it. 

[Loba]

Awww, poor guy.  That is getting up there in years.  *pat pat*  I'm sure you'll find a nice girl, just keep trying - don't give up!  Try dating websites if you can, really anything at all.  Just get yourself out there.  It sucks you don't live in a country where women and men are more free to have sex with acquaintances.  

Maybe you can find a nice girl in another country and go visit her and have sex there?

Just don't let yourself fall into that incel mentality, it doesn't do anyone any good.  You gotta keep your options open and a positive outlook.

Edited August 10, 2022 by Loba

[Razard86]

He just needs to pop his cherry. Once he has sex he will see that it isn't a substitute for self-validation. You orgasm and get a high and then you come back to baseline. You long for the fantasy of sex, not the reality of sex. Sex is really only at its heights when you build a meaningful relationship with someone else. Otherwise its just a quickie with a stranger. 

[Raze]

 

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

Hey mate..what am k supposed to do with all these links?  At least try embedding them ?

I will try to take a look them .but better next time to post something from your original thoughts and opinions instead of linking videos. 

I don’t embed videos because sometimes on this forum it displays a different video than what I linked and makes the comment too huge

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Raze That's a lot of videos 

He asked a lot of different questions, he doesn’t have to watch every video, but I included links that contain basic advice to answer the problems he mentioned and get started.

 

[Yarco]

You've had sex before and you received a bj a few months ago. Don't besmirch the good name of incels who are actually struggling. Just because you're lonely and going through a cold spell does not make you an incel or incel mentality. There are actual incels out there who are borderline suicidal about having never hugged or kissed a girl.

[Jake Chambers]

READ THIS POST - MY STORY HAS VALUE FOR YOUR LIFE

It's a tough world bro. If women don't like you, you should not value them so much as to still pursue them in such hard manners. Why would you have to go through all the menial hoops of society and unconscious, almost demonic self betterment just to get women to like you, when you are in fact already so worthy?  Like you said, you take care of yourself, have interests and hobbies but women still don't give a fuck about you, and leave you in the dust like are you don't even exist at all.

There is some partial truth in the incel ideology that this is because of the emancipation of women. Giving women all the freedom, economic possibilities and cultural praise to pursue their sexual interests in complete disregard to the structure of society has caused women to cater to the highest specimens of men in the world, not only looks wise, but also status, influence and wealth, with status being the most value raising.

However, I am going to state a theorem that has also contributed to the current hypergamy situation, and it is actually something that men have done, and not women:

The dissolution of the uniformity of men in western civilisation, has created a disparity and competition between men, in where men are either raised to the top or dragged down to the bottom.

What this means is that while it is true that in the current hypergamy, women go after the most high value men in disproportionate ratios, the uniformity of the total group of men have caused these "high value" and "low value" men to even exist in the first place. We as men have increased competition and individualism between ourselves, causing our perceived values to polarize.  We as men, have decided there exists losers (ugly janitors) and winners (handsome bankers), and women's judging of the value of men is only a reflection of these competitive and polarizing values that we as men have enforced in our society.

Men used to be more uniform, for example in the 1950s. All men wore the same (literally a uniform), namely a suit. Religion and morals were more at play. Men had respect for each other. Of course you still had the "chads" and "virgins" of that time, but it was less polarized. Whereas a chad nowadays can fuck 30 women in one week if he wants to, and our most bottom losers literally are virgins till they die, it used to be that a chad in the 1950s got married at 25 and that woman would of course think herself as lucky, but said chad was then placed out of the dating/sex market. and the losers of the 1950s would get married eventually, probably to a less attractive woman than chad, but compare that to now where the bottom men literally have nothing. The degeneration of traditional values when considering sex, dating and marriage has caused this situation to exist, and both men and women are to blame.

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I will leave you with the consideration of two options, that I will list out in a moment.

This is the very fork in the road that I stood on a few years ago. I know how you feel.

One is to go super hard on raising your value and chasing after girls. 

You know exactly what I mean. Getting more money, getting more status, becoming a better manipulator, becoming shredded, doing everything you can in your life to become high value, and then attracting the girls you want and can at your level. It is like playing an RPG like Skyrim, you do everything for yourself and to gain everything for yourself, leveling up your character and attaining material riches, with the disregard for others and sensitivity to holism.

The second one is to be an ascetic and walk the spiritual path.

This is to detach from your sexual desires and become a yogi, and living your life in accordance to spiritual values. simple as that. 

I have stood exactly before this fork in the road a few years ago. I was a bitter young man who lost his virginity to a prostitute, was doing some criminal things, and bitter at the world and women for being like this. Like you I read into incel ideology and realized there was truth to it and the hypergamy idea.

So I had this vision of my life to raise my value so high, so extremely high that I would be in the top 0.01% of men. to make more than a 100 mil, and have a lot of status and power. Mind you I wanted to be an extreme criminal, In my dreams setting up cybercriminal enterprises (I had the technical understanding and methodological knowledge to) and reinvesting into drugs, and hiring street criminals to be my goons, giving me not only money but also status and power in the streets. Like i said i was already in that environment and mindset at the time. I basically wanted to be a crime boss and If I had chosen that path I would now have been it or already dead or in jail. I saw before me the choice to go on this path, I was so angry and bitter that I didn't care about the consequences to myself to be dead or in jail, or the consequences that my crimes would have had on other people.

I basically had before me the most extreme and demonic version of the first option that I gave you, the option to raise your value as a man. My self-confidence and self-image was so low that I thought I had to do everything in my power to raise my value up, and that leaving any room for morals would just decrease my results and remind me of my own perceived incompetence and low self-esteem. Also my vision that women had no morals in their hypergamy and that the world was almost void of morals anyway (in my eyes at the time) made me think, "why should I then have any morals?"

But in the contemplation of this vision I knew I was choosing to be a demon if I went this way. I was not rationalising that I would be good. The question really became, "Is becoming a demon worth chasing these material possessions?" Of course a part of any human actually takes joy in doing evil things. But I just knew the concept of a higher self meant something real, mostly through my youtube watching of the RSD evolution, and other self development and some spiritual videos, and even Leo's videos. (thanks Leo) I wasn't really into it at that time that much, it was more of a pasttime activity to just watch these video while being high, but this concept of development was alive in some way in my mind.

I contemplated the end of my life of my successful crime boss vision of life. I envisioned having made 100s of millions, then quitting my criminal enterprises and laundering and investing my money in legit businesses while still keeping my street contacts and goons. I would fuck a lot of models and club sluts while blowing my money in clubs and just being and allround asshole. Even when transitioning to legit business It would still only revolve around making profit just like how bankers think. I would then marry some hot girl and get a huge house and raise kids, get them to the best schools while I would just travel the world, fuck whores and not let anyone fuck with me. eventually become old and die and pass on my wealth to my kids.

I Just realized, Is that it? is this what I'm going to risk my life and freedom for, and damage and hurt other people and take their wealth for? just that I can be some fat mafioso millionaire with a trophy wife? To sacrifice all morals and humane sensitivity for?

Then I realized, this isn't it. This vision of life is shit.

But this didn't solve my problem. Because what was right about the crime boss life vision is that it was extremely competitive.  At least it allowed me to rise up the ranks and gain access to hot women, and give houses and wealth to my family and friends, and allow me to have children and pass on wealth to them. And even though I decided that a life of crime and wealth wasn't for me, I was now stuck where I began, with an extreme bitterness and resentfulness to women and the world.

That's when I entered a deep depression because I had realised I didn't want to be evil, but this would not protect me from the evils of others and society. My evil life vision had only been a search for the protection of the evils of others. I did not want to be rejected by beautiful yet hypergamous females, I did not want to be walked over by other men, I did not want to be a financial loser, so being a criminal fixed all of these things. Now that I had rejected this vision of life and rejected the disregarding of morality, my vision of the future and self-image became a lot more vulnerable to the things I was already fearing and suffering from. I also did not find out my new values, even though I had lost my old materialistic ones, I was not yet familiar with spiritual values and spiritual life possibilities. In this depression I found out a lot more about spirituality and started listening to many teachers, and started learning about magic mushrooms. In mushroom trips I found a new vision for life and seen the possibilities of the spiritual riches that can enter your consciousness, and that your consciousness is. 

The catch was that I of course still desired sex with women, and with the hottest women of course. The karma of having had entertained such an extreme materialistic vision of life left me constantly thinking back of it, and being angry at the thought of not having the hottest women. Thoughts like, "Maybe I can still get laid with some women, but in my old vision of life I would have access to the hottest women, even though I would be an evil dick! life is so unfair! Maybe I should go back to my old vision and start up my criminal schemes again." 

My ego was so unsatisfied and still so resentful at women that it constantly thought back of my prior vision and criminal incel mentality. That is when I realised that in my situation, I would have to practically become an ascetic, to completely dislodge my old mentality and karma. I realized that in my life, the desire of women and my radical do or die criminal mentality (which was also born from childhood trauma) had become entangled in such an unhealthy manner that I realised I had to let go of all desire for women, and become ascetic. Because my demonic life vision was so radical I had to create a yogic life vision with equal radicalness.

Which I did. I completely changed as a person by committing to the detachment of my desires. In the following years I travelled the world, a lot of it by foot, and did a lot of spiritual practice, and picked up playing guitar and played a lot. Mind you I did have sex with a girl while travelling in India, but this situation was super natural. I just striked up a conversation with her in a town square without demonic intent and she was super into me from the get go. I really respected her for this and it just flowed from there. Like Sadhguru said "Sex in the body is fine, it is when it enters the mind that it becomes a problem". This was a perfect example of that. This was how it always goes for chad, a girl is just super into you and you have sex. For an incel he knows he has to chase girls and win them over which creates this mental resentment which is very unhealthy and can spiral out of control in extreme ways like it almost did for me. My life has been amazing now and I am liberated in so many aspects. I feel Gods love everyday and It feels like I'm free from my earthly bounds, And I have had a lot of deep psych trips and also very peacefully deep sober states of consciousnesses. 

But I just literally never chase girls and I'm ok if I never have sex again. That is the cost I had to pay for leaving my old demonic life behind and starting a new life.

So what is the moral of my story for you and other men? It boils down to this: Your desires control your life.

Most men live only for sex. Almost all men have a demonic life vision just like I had. I just had a very radical one. But everyone who wants to be succesful, to get money, to get status, its basically the same as wanting to be a crime boss. It's just a matter of degree. A banker has a legal job, yes, but is basically a legal mafioso who makes a lot of money and fucks beautiful women and thinks hes better than everyone. A doctor who wants status and money and a house with a wife still basically has the same values of a crime boss. It's just a matter of degree of morality, in the end he wants to have sex with beautiful women, thats it. even though he of course is a lot more functional in society, he heals people. but that is just a side effect, the ego is so much more important to humans. and the dark part is that for many people it is not the morals holding them back from being a lot more demonic than they are at the moment, but their lack of balls, and fear that they will go to jail and will be rejected by society and their family. 

the only reason most men build up their careers and live their entire lives in the way that they do is to fuck the hottest women they can fuck and remain as unconscious as they can be about it. It's just that some men are more unconscious, dark triad and radical than others. that's literally it.

I just explained almost all of human history to you. Almost all conquering of lands, of war, of slavery, of society has all been men chasing after the hottest sex and nice houses and resources. All of history is basically a bunch of incels not wanting to be incels.

I'm not saying men are evil for this, this is just the drive of desire and I have actually just explained almost all evil in the world to you. It's just to get laid with hot women and have more resources.

This is not a misantrophic essay! I am not saying humans are evil. I am just saying human lives are mostly driven by selfish action like any other creature on this planet. and chasing sex is the biggest chase of all. And If hypergamy has become so bad, having you waste so much energy and time on chasing and manipulating women that wouldn't want you in the first place, isn't that just the biggest waste of life?

So I advice you to consider soft asceticism in your life, which is to be ascetic and not chase sex unless a girl is just super into you and it flows naturally. and also not fap. Of course in the first world this means basically never getting laid. So try travelling the world and just meet a lot of people. And if it doesn't work it it's ok. You have to be completely OK with never having sex or children in your life again. I know it's a hard decision mentally to make but it does level you above the samsaric game of survival that we as human apes are playing. But asceticism truly saved my life. 

Hypergamy and dating and sex being so hard for you just leverages the spiritual ascetic life to be of less cost to you because you are losing less anyway. And consider the other option, what is your equivalent of the demonic life vision, of being a crime boss like I wanted to be? It's probably better than my demonic vision, but in essence it's the same. It's sacrificing spiritual values to raising your societal and material value in life to get laid with more and hotter women.

Of course, you would want to know, Isn't there a way in between? Isn't there a way to raise your sexual marketplace value but still maintain spiritual values and personal and spiritual development and not get lost in the karma of sexual desire?

Yes there is, but the question is do you want to take it?. In my case, the option was not there because the demonic pull towards my demonic life vision was so strong that I had to make the radical decision to become ascetic, to completely let go of this past karma that I had.

This "in between vision" is basically the vision that Leo follows and wants you to follow. His philosophy is as follows:

You can be spiritual but there is no escaping the desires and everyday situations of survival.

In some way it is true, you still have to eat etc. But I would still disagree with him. Because there is a way to transcend your desires and live a completely spiritual life, meaning there is an escaping of desires possible. 

Also, do you really want to chase women? To go on 1000s of approaches to only get laid a handful times? to go through so much bullshit that women who are out have to say, just to get in their pussy? You are basically saying, I'm worth so little, and women are worth so much, that I am going by them one by one like a beggar begging you for a quarter. Some people just like it, and like Leo says, you do become a great at socialising. But it's still just a game of manipulation. 

Also keep in mind, Leo's only spiritual practices are doing psychedelics, meaning he doesn't feel the need to transcend the material life in his sober day to day life with the excuse that his trips are already so deep. 

But do you really want to be like this? To tell everyone that you are the most awake human ever, To tell everyone they are God and imagined their parents , constantly critiquing and calling out other people's bullshit, but still hit the weekend going out sarging like this? :

I would not. But that is just me. I am just trying to show you, there is tremendous possibility in asceticism. I had to do it because of all of my problems, so I am not saying you have to. But if women don't like you anyway like you said, the cost of asceticism becomes so much lower and i am telling you bro, the benefits are so great. And if you decide to still chase women and chase raising your material value, how demonic will you become in the process? How much of your, time, energy spiritual potential will you waste, just to get laid?

Do you want to be like this or this? or this picture of leo of above?

Yes, of course these are only extremes, and yes , there exists an in between. Through my story I have shown you the extremes like the borders of a football field. Now the field is defined for you. Play however you want.

 

Edited August 11, 2022 by Jake Chambers

[Jake Chambers]

And remember bro whatever you do, it's not your fault women do not like you. They are extremely selfish creatures just like men, and have become a lot more selfish in the last decades, through many cultural things. With extremely selfish role models like Kylie Jenner and Megan Thee Stallion young women have been deceived and a veil of demonic illusion has been placed before their eyes, from which they will only realize the cost later in their life. The current time is just a very shitty time culturally in the west. It's nobodies fault really, but just a demonic cycle going through our collective consciousness until we can appreciate the angelic energies again.

[Jake Chambers]

2 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Many people live out their entire lives without ever having had sex. So I don't know why you would compare it to food and drink. Yes, it's a biological need indeed, but I never saw anyone going insane without it, I guess most people do just fine, including men. And there's always the hooker option. I guess most men just do fine with porn always available. Tbh, whatever you're describing looks akin to a Sex addict than a normal guy. I have male friends (not to mention boyfriends) and a few of them don't have a girlfriend yet and I can tell you they aren't dying. They are focused on their careers much more than their romantic lives. Sex can wait. 

 

I almost went insane because of it, and you as a woman do not realise how much a lack of sex influences a mens self-esteem. You as a woman do not know the proper psychological dynamics to handle and integrate the male sexual desire.

"I have male friends (not to mention boyfriends) and a few of them don't have a girlfriend yet and I can tell you they aren't dying. They are focused on their careers much more than their romantic lives."

Why do you think they are building their careers? to get laid.

"I can tell you they aren't dying"

"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." - Henry David Thoreau

"Sex can wait" 

It's not about the sex, but about the woman's approval. Sexual desire from a woman is the biggest approval a man can get, because women are in the eyes of men the most beautiful things in creation. A man's self worth, when he is still attached to his sexual desires, is mostly based on how women view them. I know you as a woman don't realise this because you are vulnerable and sensible in different ways than men. But a man's vulnerability lies in if and in the way a woman loves him. In this way a man respects a woman more than she respects herself, for he sees and feels her judgement, love and conscious recognition as the highest, most divine arbiter in the universe.

 

[Tyler Robinson]

1 minute ago, Jake Chambers said:

It's not about the sex, but about the woman's approval. Sexual desire from a woman is the biggest approval a man can get, because women are in the eyes of men the most beautiful things in creation. A man's self worth, when he is still attached to his sexual desires, is mostly based on how women view them. I know you as a woman don't realise this because you are vulnerable and sensible in different ways than men. But a man's vulnerability lies in if and in the way a woman loves him. In this way a man respects a woman more than she respects herself, for he sees and feels her judgement, love and conscious recognition as the highest, most divine arbiter in the universe.

Omg please, that sounds like a recipe to become a loser in life. Don't put women on a pedestal. They're humans. At the end of the day, wanting Validation from the members of your own species is a disastrous sign of low self esteem and will only lead to consequences of depression and god knows what. It's best to change that attitude, even if it's biological, it's still unhealthy at its core. Your might desire a woman deeply. But are all desires meant to be healthy? In the same breath you might desire drinking and it would lead to death. Desire and health are on opposite scales. Use your mind. Don't let desire ruin mental health. Words of wisdom. Do what the mind needs. The mind wants structure, order, and not hopelessness and desperation. Every limiting belief can be cured, biological wiring can be altered, difficult but not impossible. 

 

[Jake Chambers]

@Tyler Robinson I definitely agree with you that it's best to change that attitude. I am just saying that the masculine core of each man holds a great love for the divine feminine, and that many dysfunctional thought patterns and behavioural patterns typical to men stem from this great love and respect for the feminine. I am pointing this out to you because i sense from your reactions a downplaying of  the importance for men of feminine sexual energy and judgment (a woman giving sex to a man is the most positive judgement she can give him). I am not justifying disfunctional incel behaviour, I am just highlighting the deep emotional core that men have towards this. Women have a better inherent system of self-love. Men require a lot more love from the outside because their internal self-love system is less developed by evolutionary design. men had to be ruthless killers throughout history to protect their family, so they had to cut themselves off from their own love. But they still desire it greatly. Like I said a woman's love is the highest good for a man's emotional core, because he values women so much, a woman's love literally is a man's own divine love reflected back at him. Women need less of this reflecting from their partners because their own internal self love system is much more developed than a mans.

So what i am pointing out is that changing this attitude is definitely needed for men to solve this issue, just like you said. I'm just stating that for a men this goes a lot deeper than simply changing your attitude to food for example. A man has to take responsibility for his own self love to do this which is generally very hard to do for men. Like I said men are like children still when it comes to self love while women are inherently developed much more in this. To say you have to simply change your attitude about this to a man is like a man saying to a woman, "just bench 200lbs bro." I can do it easily.

But yeah we basically agree. I just wished more women knew how much love us men really have for women deep inside. I have been a total mysoginist criminal asshole in my life and it was all because my own self esteem, how deep down behind all the demonic hate and ego I felt about that women didn't love me while i had so much love for them. Changing myself from this was the hardest thing I've done in my life.

[BlessedLion]

8 hours ago, Someone here said:

Well..because by far ..it is the best feeling in the world. Can you think of a healthy example of something that feels as near good ? I said "healthy " because you could argue that cocaine feels better .

I cling to the personal idea that sex is NOT something to share with a special someone as an expression of love. I d feel comfortable with the idea of having sex for pleasure. 

But still...Within a committed relationship, sex is one of the key elements that help to foster the level of intimacy you will never get anywhere else, with anyone else. It is a wonderful beautiful thing.

Outside of a committed relationship, sex is a helluva lot of fun and feels *really* good.

 

I know a better feeling than sex, it’s called being in love with yourself, healing your wounds, and merging into God (without needing to take drugs to do so) 

Then, you don’t even need sex but strangely it gets put in front of you on a silver platter 

 

What I’m saying is, it’s sounds like you’ve got some inner healing to do. Realize that this won’t make you happy, still go for it, talk to women, but also don’t make this #1. Find the feeling sex gives you (that you seem so fixated on) within. It will be much harder and take much longer but then you don’t need anything for that feeling. 

[mr_engineer]

@Tyler Robinson