Trump says FBI agents raided his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida

[abundance]

1 hour ago, Florian said:

Bro what. It's not bad or unspiritual to feel relief if he faces consequences. Of course you can understand him and forgive him but that doesnt mean you should keep letting him do crazy dumb stuff. Thats also love. If you were a human with an uncurable thirst for blood that runs around killing everyone he sees you can forgive and understand him but the most loving way of dealing with him would propably to shoot a bullet in his head.

Agreed. Sometimes violence is a necessary evil to prevent further suffering.

In the case of Trump the only way he'll ever be able to become a better human being is if he's held accountable for his actions. Trump is a man whose been allowed to engage in devilry with no restraint his entire life. Its really an indictment on our system that he's gotten away with so much corruption this long. Now at the age of 76 he may finally be held to the standards of a true adult and not coddled like the man-child he's been his entire adult life. 

Remember, a system that is just and compassionate holds ALL of it members of society accountable.

Edited August 13, 2022 by abundance

[JTL]

@Leo Gura Yes!

 

 

[Fleetinglife]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The real question is, Could Trump be stupid enough to try to sell nuclear tech to Saudi Arabia?

"In 2011, Prince Turki al-Faisal, who has served as the Saudi intelligence chief and as ambassador to the United States has suggested that the kingdom might consider producing nuclear weapons if it found itself between the atomic arsenals of Iran and Israel. In 2012, it was confirmed that Saudi Arabia would launch its own nuclear weapons program immediately if Iran successfully developed nuclear weapons. In such an eventuality, Saudi Arabia would start work on a new ballistic missile platform, purchase nuclear warheads from overseas and aim to source uranium to develop weapons-grade material.

Officials in the U.S. alliance believe Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have an understanding in which Islamabad would supply the kingdom with warheads if security in the Persian Gulf was threatened. A U.S. official told The Times that Riyadh could have the nuclear warheads in a matter of days of approaching Islamabad. Pakistan's ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Mohammed Naeem Khan, was quoted as saying that "Pakistan considers the security of Saudi Arabia not just as a diplomatic or an internal matter but as a personal matter." Naeem also said that the Saudi leadership considered Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to be one country. Any threat to Saudi Arabia is also a threat to Pakistan. Other vendors were also likely to enter into a bidding war if Riyadh indicated that it was seeking nuclear warheads. Both Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have denied the existence of any such agreement. Western intelligence sources have told The Guardian that the Saudi monarchy has paid for up to 60% of the Pakistan's atomic bomb projects and in return has the option to buy five to six nuclear warheads off the shelf.

In March 2018, the crown prince said if Iran decided to build a nuclear weapon, "we will follow suit as soon as possible". This prompted U.S. Senator Ed Markey to comment "nuclear energy in Saudi Arabia is about more than just electrical power", implying Saudi Arabia was interested in nuclear power to gain the skills to be able to develop weapons. This potentially reduces the probability of a nuclear deal with the U.S.

In May 2018, Al Jazeera media reported the statement from the former director of Al Arabiya TV, Abdul Rahman Al-Rashed, who wrote in the Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat newspaper an article while accompanying Prince Mohammed bin Salman on his recent visit to Washington that no one can confirm if Saudi Arabia is capable of building a nuclear weapon yet. However, the news former director has pointed out that Riyadh owns uranium materials in its desert, and has adopted a plan to extract it within 2030.

In March 2019, Donald Trump's administration approved a deal allowing Saudi Arabia to access to nuclear secrets through the U.S. Energy Secretary Rick Perry, with an approval known as Part 810 authorizations. Although it doesn't allow to access equipment required to process Uranium, it allows the 6 companies involved to keep their authorization be withheld from public release and evading the Congress about the information shared with the Kingdom.

It was also reported that Saudi Arabia did not sign up to halt the enrichment of uranium, reprocessing of spent fuel and neither signed the 123 Agreement with the United States.

Saudi Arabia constructed a facility for extracting uranium yellowcake from uranium ore with the help of China. According to a western official, the facility was built near the remote town of AlUla. Saudi Arabia has signed the most limited safeguard agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency.

On 17 September 2020, The Guardian reported Saudi Arabia of being in possession of enough uranium ore reserves to produce 90,000 tonnes worth of uranium. It stated the finding on the basis of the reports compiled by the Beijing Research Institute of Uranium Geology (BRIUG) and the China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC), in association with Saudi Geological survey. As per the reports, three different deposits in the central and northwest region of the country were reported to be potential for the extraction. The disclosure reportedly increased concerns regarding Riyadh’s aggressive interest in developing atomic weapons program. In this report geologists identified some reserves near the controversial Neom megacity development are and estimated that Saudi could produce over 90,000 tonnes of uranium from three deposits."

And also one should keep in mind that:

The Trump admin almost immediately withdrew at the beginning of their term from the JCPOA agreement with Iran for monitoring, capping and containing their uranium enrichment processes at their nuclear research facilities for development of possible weapons grade uranium compatible for nuclear warheads and their payloads, upon assuming office. As if they knew how the Saudi officials and their regime said they would respond in that case if Irans nuclear development program resumes no longer bound by any international legal mechanism enforcement and oversight agreements with some tinge of shared authority, legitimacy and control and being effectively now mostly uninhibited henceforth and that they [the Saudis] would be searching rampantly for needed more advanced nuclear tech for swift development of their own nuclear weapons program to keep the pace or have the advantages over the Iranian one, triggering, finding an a excuse and precursor for another fueling of a new nuclear arms race in the Middle East - by doing this needless further antagonization move to create a rushed manufactured, artifical demand for such [weapons] in order to profit-off of personally by getting involved in it directly as a facilitator of such [backdoor deals] by possibly using shady, corrupt private backdoor insurance dealings, understandings and agreements routs. 

This is what I speculate with my limited available information and by connecting the dots using some common sense logic and my limited knowledge of the existence of potential prior vested interests and conflict-of-interests involved in this case and prior dealings that this current mainstream popular perception of a major US national scandal and controversy is all most likely maybe about. 

Edited August 14, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[Leo Gura]

@Fleetinglife Very interesting.

[DocWatts]

The selfishness and utter disregard of any underlying principles of the MAGA crowd can be quite clearly seen in the whiplash of these folks going from 'back the Blue' to 'defund the FBI' in a heartbeat when it's someone they're simping for who's implicated.

"Law and order for thee, not for me."

 

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by DocWatts

[Leo Gura]

What's really ironic is that Trump is the anti-Christ. Yet none of the Christians realize it.

You'd think someone like JP should say it.

[hoodrow trillson]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What's really ironic is that Trump is the anti-Christ. Yet none of the Christians realize it.

You'd think someone like JP should say it.

"He's anti-Christ... BUT he sure does hate them illegals like we do... maybe it aint so bad.."

[Fleetinglife]

On 13/08/2022 at 10:39 PM, Leo Gura said:

You'd think someone like JP should say it.

He is too busy with dealing pedagogically and sternly parentally\paternally with Kane at the moment and those possessed by his spirit that draws confused minds to the Luciferian ideologies... [that are [those unspecified confused minds that fit that unspecified definition and criteria], according to his words, in the long run only partially possessed, and in the ideal - fully redeemable!] Trump is probably somewhere at the bottom of his bucket list of concerns of immediate dangers and threats for the future of humanity and world peace at this point:

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[aurum]

9 hours ago, Florian said:

Bro what. It's not bad or unspiritual to feel relief if he faces consequences. Of course you can understand him and forgive him but that doesnt mean you should keep letting him do crazy dumb stuff. Thats also love. If you were a human with an uncurable thirst for blood that runs around killing everyone he sees you can forgive and understand him but the most loving way of dealing with him would propably to shoot a bullet in his head.

Agreed.

[DocWatts]

The normalization of political violence as a symptom of fascism is a troubling sign of a potential civil conflict in our future.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/12/fbi-attacker-trump-capitol-riot-truth-social

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/08/14/phoenix-fbi-trump-supporters-armed-mar-a-lago-search-vpx.cnn

[Oeaohoo]

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What's really ironic is that Trump is the anti-Christ. Yet none of the Christians realize it.

Probably because Christianity itself has slowly been becoming a vehicle of the Antichrist since at least the Protestant Reformation.

The American deviations seem to emphasise a particularly degraded form of conservatism. Most European Christians are precisely the opposite, hating Trump and jumping on all the progressive bandwagons: supporting refugees, prayers for Ukraine, a cathedral near me even became a centre for Covid vaccinations…

On this note, here is an enlightening passage from the book The System of Antichrist: Truth and Falsehood in Postmodernism and the New Age by Charles Upton:

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I believe the system of Antichrist will emerge - is in fact emerging - out of the conflict between the New World Order and the spectrum of militant reactions against it.

In Jesus’ time, the One World Government was the Roman Empire. The Zealots were the anti-Roman revolutionaries and/or militias. Jesus was careful not to be drawn into making statements which could compromise the Zealot cause and make him appear as a Roman collaborator. But he also related to Roman military officers, and toadies of Rome like the Jewish tax collectors, in ways that scandalised many Jewish nationalist patriots. He emerged from the common people oppressed both by Rome and by the colonial Jewish ruling classes who did Rome’s dirty work, and he denounced those sectors of the ruling class - the Scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees and Herodians - who made common cause with the Empire, while speaking no words against the Zealots and Essenes, who did not. But he did not identify with the violent ‘vanguard’ who acted in the people’s name. So we can say that if Christ worked to avoid being identified with either the Roman Empire or with its militant opponents, by the same token we should be careful not to strictly identify Antichrist either with One World Government or with anti-globalist terrorism. Together they will provide the milieu out of which he will emerge; but just as Christ avoided being claimed by either party because it was his mission to redeem not the Jews alone but all humanity, so Antichrist will ‘play both sides against the middle’ in the latter days to build his power over all aspects of the human soul. Antichrist is not primarily the enemy of democracy or national autonomy, in other words, but of Humanity itself, considered as made in the image and likeness of God. In its deepest essence, the battle between Christ and Antichrist is not between freedom and tyranny (though where true freedom is, the Antichrist cannot come), nor between traditional religious bodies and secular society (though the field of this conflict may, at least in some cases, be closer to the real war), but that between the sacred presence of God in the human heart, and the sacrilegious violation of that presence.

By this estimation, I am not convinced that Trump is himself the Antichrist but rather a defining feature in the ambience out of which the Antichrist shall emerge.

[lisindel]

12 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

Probably because Christianity itself has slowly been becoming a vehicle of the Antichrist since at least the Protestant Reformation.

Agree.

[DocWatts]

Looks like the Trump's passports were seized by the FBI in the raid, which is generally something that happens when a suspect is considered a flight risk. 

Which naturally leads to asking what form will the inevitable violence from Trump's followers will take when their leader is formally charged.

 

 

[Fleetinglife]

40 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Looks like the Trump's passports were seized by the FBI in the raid, which is generally something that happens when a suspect is considered a flight risk. 

Quick two questions if you of course, sorry, by chance know off the bat and if I am not pestering too much as an outsider on much of the info I don't know about the US federal and customs legal system:

1. How many citizenships can one acquire and have at one time, apart from his own naturalized US citizen one, while living in the US? 

2. Of which countries are the two passports that Trump has/had or acquired in some point of his life, was it solely on the basis of having property there or on being proclaimed an honorary citizen in some as a reward for his lobbying for them.

I heard theories and speculation that the first one was either Russia, on the basis of having had some property there, or Israel, because of the excess of lobbying for them. 

and that the second one was Saudia Arabia, because of having some property there and also because of his excess of lobbying for them on some deals vital to some sectors of their industry and economy. 

Is it just empty speculation based on uncomplete knowledge, or is there some truth or validity behind those claims of those being some of the possible theories behind the origin and seizure of three passports (one now expired) that he has/had? 

 

Edited August 15, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[DocWatts]

 

[Willie]

Could he plead insanity? Might actually work...

[trenton]

16 minutes ago, Willie said:

Could he plead insanity? Might actually work...

@Willie I don't think so. His intentions are clear in many of his crimes. For example he tried to rig the election by finding the votes. He's aware that he is breaking laws for his own personal gain. Given how many things he got away with I lost hope of him being brought to justice. This is because the republican party defends him no matter what hence they obstruct all investigations. They know what their doing.

[hoodrow trillson]

Lowkey it’s getting a little scary for ol’ Donny out there… It’s some serious violations and the USA don’t play with top secret leaks like that 

[Ramu]

@Leo Gura if he's arrogant enough to bring home classified documents that should only be viewed in a skiff, then yes.  If not Saudi Arabia then maybe his Russian pal, Vlad.

[Danioover9000]

   Interesting take from Destiny and PIKE guy: