Trump says FBI agents raided his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida

[DocWatts]

It will be interesting to see Trump's Cult bend themselves into pretzels to hand wave away a former president stealing highly classified nuclear weapons documents. The fact that a small handful of these folks somehow make their way to a conscious politics forum is baffling...

As to Trump, the Rosenbergs were put to death in the 50s for nuclear espionage. I don't support the death penalty, but if ever there was a case where it could be justified it's that of a former head of State selling (or intended to commit blackmail with) highly classified documents about weapons that could literally end civilization.

[Nilsi]

1 hour ago, Yarco said:

Come on guys. The media says it was nuclear documents and y'all immediately all "Oh my, that does sound very serious! Well I guess they were justified then."

Wtf does "nuclear documents" mean?

You think Trump was dumb enough to bring home nuclear weapon blueprints, nuclear launch codes, or classified locations of nuclear launch sites? Or your bias against Trump is so bad that you SERIOUSLY believe he is malicious enough to sell nuclear state secrets to China or Iran? 

At this point, nothing this fool does would surprise me anymore.

[Fleetinglife]

37 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

It will be interesting to see Trump's Cult bend themselves into pretzels to hand wave away a former president stealing highly classified nuclear weapons documents. The fact that a small handful of these folks somehow make their way to a conscious politics forum is baffling...

As to Trump, the Rosenbergs were put to death in the 50s for nuclear espionage. I don't support the death penalty, but if ever there was a case where it could be justified it's that of a former head of State selling (or intended to commit blackmail with) highly classified documents about weapons that could literally end civilization.

"Trump's Pledge of Allegiance and Oath of Loyalty Song accompanying him in court." 

 

 

[Yarco]

1 hour ago, DocWatts said:

It will be interesting to see Trump's Cult bend themselves into pretzels to hand wave away a former president stealing highly classified nuclear weapons documents.

If it's ever proven then I'll be happily to condemn it and change my worldview accordingly. Until he gets charged or we see any kind of evidence it's a conspiracy theory.

[Fleetinglife]

3 hours ago, DocWatts said:

As to Trump, the Rosenbergs were put to death in the 50s for nuclear espionage.

To be fair even they had some more compelling justifications and reasons why they did this in their era and time period (apart from being hard-line ideologically committed communists then and NKVD/KGB assets) i.e. the delicate atomic and then nuclear balance of power between superpowers issues during the Cold War. 

But in today's world if this turns out to be due to just corrupt dealings and bribery with a country that is much less developed (politically, culturally and institutionally wise), reliable, stable and less deserving of a responsible big power status (war of attrition with genocidal and famine characteristics and economic blockade launched against Yemen and Yemenis civilians and people, their newborn babies and children by extension and rebels being a peak example), then that is even worse offsetting a delicate balance of power in a region that is already myred in tensions, potential future new wars and conflicts and still filled to the brim with sectarian, fundamentalist and extremist worldviews, with cataclysmic and catastrophic consequences if you potentially add the unchecked, unfettered proliferation of the nuclear weapons component adding massive extra new added layers on top of more insecurities, anxieties, paranoia, skepticisms and mistrusts and distrusts to it and to the world. 

Edited August 12, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[DocWatts]

10 minutes ago, Yarco said:

If it's ever proven then I'll be happily to condemn it and change my worldview accordingly. Until he gets charged or we see any kind of evidence it's a conspiracy theory.

Trump's sycophants know full well that one of the most powerful people on the planet has innumerable tools at his disposal to make sure that he can't be held accountable for his actions, not the least of which being a cucked Republican Party that's actively working to kill any investigation into Trump's crimes because it implicates them.

And in any case they don't apply that impossibly high bar of evidence towards accusations aimed at their political opponents such as Hilary Clinton or Biden.

But this is how Cults tend to operate, so nothing unexpected there. The egoicly gratifying empowerment narrative they get from a charismatic person attacking their imagined enemies overrides any considerations of what might be good for the country (if that's even given any consideration at all).

[hoodrow trillson]

7 hours ago, DocWatts said:

It will be interesting to see Trump's Cult bend themselves into pretzels to hand wave away a former president stealing highly classified nuclear weapons documents. The fact that a small handful of these folks somehow make their way to a conscious politics forum is baffling...

 

It's so pathetic lol.

Trust me, I'm having a big ol' laugh on this forum.  I don't even @ these guys anymore.  Too much of a low hanging fruit. 

[Matthew85]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

15 hours ago, Matthew85 said:

Do you ever observe or contemplate politics, society and current events in expanded states?

No, waste of a contemplation.

@Leo Gura I see. Thought you may have since you mentioned watching porn and the film Blade Runner on 5-Meo. Any observations on 5-Meo you can share about politics, society or current events? 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Matthew85 said:

@Leo Gura I see. Thought you may have since you mentioned watching porn and the film Blade Runner on 5-Meo. Any observations on 5-Meo you can share about politics, society or current events? 

Don't use a canon to kill a mosquito.

Our political situation is clear without any psychedelics.

[Matthew85]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Our political situation is clear without any psychedelics.

@Leo Gura Perhaps to you. 

Something I have discovered in exploring reality is there is always more to uncover and understand on any subject. There appears to be endless depth to anything you want to explore. Most of the time we only skim a very superficial layer though. 

[Razard86]

On 8/10/2022 at 11:14 AM, DIVINATOR said:

Isn't it already kind of taking place just in slow motion?

Yep its why I said it has been headed in that direction for awhile now.

[Razard86]

13 hours ago, Yarco said:

Come on guys. The media says it was nuclear documents and y'all immediately all "Oh my, that does sound very serious! Well I guess they were justified then."

Wtf does "nuclear documents" mean?

You think Trump was dumb enough to bring home nuclear weapon blueprints, nuclear launch codes, or classified locations of nuclear launch sites? Or your bias against Trump is so bad that you SERIOUSLY believe he is malicious enough to sell nuclear state secrets to China or Iran? If they had any intelligence on this it'd be the CIA not the FBI and he would be arrested at the time of the raid.

Entertain the idea for a moment that the FBI is involved with past scandals like COINTELPRO and shady af, and lying to cover their ass is not outside the realm of possibility.

Trump and FBI can BOTH be corrupt at the same time. It's two (or more) corrupt factions at war.

FBI could say they were searching for evidence that Trump genocided millions of Asians in the Midwest if they wanted to. Something doesn't have to exist for you to search for it. And a corrupt judge would rubber stamp the warrant, and the media would run with the story, no questions asked.

When has government in America NOT been corrupt? Did you know we use to experiment on prison inmates? Don't get me started on money in politics, Jim Crow, The Gilded Era, Reconstruction, there are way too many times government in America has been corrupt. They are corrupt right now, BOTH parties. Its the nature of the game at the moment.

Heck America is so corrupt they were helping South Africa enforce Apartheid.

Edited August 12, 2022 by Razard86

[Leo Gura]

10 hours ago, Yarco said:

If it's ever proven then I'll be happily to condemn it and change my worldview accordingly. Until he gets charged or we see any kind of evidence it's a conspiracy theory.

You are so shamelessly partisan that you don't deserve to be able to post on this subforum any more.

[DrugsBunny]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are so shamelessly partisan that you don't deserve to be able to post on this subforum any more.

You think if God literally came down from the heavens and bestowed the unflattering truth about Trump upon humanity, conservatives would just call God a libtard and stick their heads further in the sand in the face of divinity?

I'd bet on it.

[hoodrow trillson]

So… they found various SCI documents… which goes beyond “regular” Top Secret documents.  This is new to me, I had no idea a tier above Top Secret existed.

What would SCI consist of?  Nuclear stuff?  Secret weapons?  

Wild stuff!

[Fadl]

The left doesn't want to deal with Trump in the next election.. that's obvious..

I don't know why I'm thinking about a drug addict gamer who think he is god right now, he might feel confident or comfortable cause he is stupid or/and deluded. 

 

[Leo Gura]

People who I see posting in a blatantly biased, partisan, or gaslighty way will have their accounts downgraded to lose access to the Politics subforum.

If you notice people behaving in this way, report them to me for possible downgrade.

Our standards for political discussion on this forum entail non-partisanship and at least a modicum of non-bias. This is not Reddit or Twitter. If you wish to engage in partisan battles this forum is not for you.

There is no "both-sides" to this news story.

[aurum]

1 hour ago, hoodrow trillson said:

So… they found various SCI documents… which goes beyond “regular” Top Secret documents.  This is new to me, I had no idea a tier above Top Secret existed.

What would SCI consist of?  Nuclear stuff?  Secret weapons?  

Wild stuff!

I’m no expert on these things, but my sense is this is very bad for trump. He does tend to get away with everything by throwing more lies on top of lies, but he may have finally pushed the limit too far. That kind of behavior has an expiration date.

I’m trying to be spiritual and still have compassion for his situation. Clearly he is not well psychologically. But at the same time, he is clearly is not fit for serving office in a conscious way. So it’s hard not to feel a bit of a relief in seeing some potential consequences come his way.

[Leo Gura]

The real question is, Could Trump be stupid enough to try to sell nuclear tech to Saudi Arabia?

[Florian]

5 hours ago, aurum said:

So it’s hard not to feel a bit of a relief in seeing some potential consequences come his way.

Bro what. It's not bad or unspiritual to feel relief if he faces consequences. Of course you can understand him and forgive him but that doesnt mean you should keep letting him do crazy dumb stuff. Thats also love. If you were a human with an uncurable thirst for blood that runs around killing everyone he sees you can forgive and understand him but the most loving way of dealing with him would propably to shoot a bullet in his head.