Girlfriend won't let me watch porn...

[Nilsi]

2 minutes ago, Devin said:

That fantasies and fetishes are not ours in the original sense, they're from deceptions we believe. Sex is ours though, purely

That's like saying all language, art and technology is not ours and thus a deception we should disengage from. Why do you romanticize being a monkey?

[Devin]

12 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

That's like saying all language, art and technology is not ours and thus a deception we should disengage from. Why do you romanticize being a monkey?

Because I love the peace

But no, it's not like that, we don't say English language is who I am like we do with sexuality, we see it's something apart from us

Edited August 11, 2022 by Devin

[Nilsi]

3 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Nilsi why do you twist what he is saying?

Typical pre/trans fallacy...

Typical intellectual laziness.

[integral]

Typical sign of porn, masturbating to fancy ideas. 

Edited August 11, 2022 by integral

[Nilsi]

8 minutes ago, Devin said:

Because I love the peace

But no, it's not like that, we don't say English language is who I am like we do with sexuality, we see it's something apart from us

Whatever you think you are, language, technology, knowledge, art... are all part of you and shape who you are and how you experience the world. You can make the case that sexuality is more primordial than those things, but so is your body, but you still put clothes on it without having to be weird about it.

Also I'm sure even monkeys had some kind of abstraction abilities and probably experienced all sorts of freaky fantasies and mental imagery when they felt horny.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Nilsi

[integral]

I tried masturbating to chess actually for a good month as an experiment to see if it would make me better at chess.

[Devin]

10 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Whatever you think you are, language, technology, knowledge, art... are all part of you and shape who you are and how you experience the world. You can make the case that sexuality is more primordial than those things, but so is your body, but you still put clothes on it without having to be weird about it.

Also I'm sure even monkeys had some kind of abstraction abilities and probably experienced all sorts of freaky fantasies and mental imagery when they felt horny.

But we recognize the clothes aren't us, well most of us do anyway

I don't mean in a natural way, I mean a conscious way, your monkey example I think makes my point

Edited August 11, 2022 by Devin

[Tyler Robinson]

7 minutes ago, integral said:

I tried masturbating to chess actually for a good month as an experiment to see if it would make me better at chess.

I can't stop laughing. This is too funny. 

[Nilsi]

12 minutes ago, Devin said:

But we recognize the clothes aren't us, well most of us do anyway

19 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

 

If you take that logic to its natural conclusion it leads you to being nothing but a hairless monkey, which surely can't be right, no?

You live in the 21st century and your environment and culture can't be separated from you. I understand where you're coming from, but that's just a naive reductionistic worldview. It's not so simple as saying, I am just this body-mind in a vacuum - no you're not.

Unless you are advocating for having sex in a state of complete no-mind (which is silly in itself), your view just doesn't hold. Fantasies and fetishization (which in itself is another can of worms), will naturally arise to some degree, so don't fool yourself here. 

This is just a silly discussion. Don't be so square in your sexuality and everything is well.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Nilsi

[integral]

8 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@integral did it work? 

No, but now i can't play with out an erection. 

4 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

I can't stop laughing. This is too funny. 

[Devin]

5 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

If you take that logic to its natural conclusion it leads you to being nothing but a hairless monkey, which surely can't be right, no?

You live in the 21st century and your environment and culture can't be separated from you. I understand where you're coming from but that's just a naive reductionistic worldview. It's not so simple as saying, I am just this body mind in a vacuum - no you're not.

I'd say you can take it even further and say I'm not even a hairless monkey.

I don't mean to not interact with the world, I would say I mean the opposite, fantasy is not interacting with the world it's the opposite, you're not actually experiencing it

[Nilsi]

6 minutes ago, Devin said:

I don't mean to not interact with the world, I would say I mean the opposite, fantasy is not interacting with the world it's the opposite, you're not actually experiencing it

How so? You are a homo sapiens (literally the wise/thinking man).

I suspect you have a rather naive materialistic worldview. You don't seem to appreciate how entangled your mind and the world are.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Nilsi

[Devin]

4 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

How so? I find engaging with my mind one of the richest experiences there are. You are a homo sapiens (literally the wise/thinking man).

I suspect you have a rather naive materialistic worldview. You don't seem to appreciate how entangled your mind and the world are.

Who gave us the name "wise thinking man"?, there may have been some bias

Feeling is far richer

Edited August 11, 2022 by Devin

[Nilsi]

6 minutes ago, Devin said:

Feeling is far richer

Feeling is a function of the mind.

Also when you feel joy or anger or whatever, it is always entangled with some mental imagery and abstraction.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Nilsi

[Devin]

3 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Feeling is a function of the mind.

Yes but "thinking" is limited by language and imagery/sounds/tastes and further limited by your proficiency in language and what you have seen/heard, feeling has no limits

Edited August 11, 2022 by Devin

[Nilsi]

Just now, Devin said:

Yes but "thinking" is limited by language and your proficiency in it, feeling has no limits

This discussion isn't going anywhere.

[Devin]

17 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Feeling is a function of the mind.

Also when you feel joy or anger or whatever, it is always entangled with some mental imagery and abstraction.

I don't mean emotions(anger, happiness, sadness)

At all

Edited August 11, 2022 by Devin

[Nilsi]

18 minutes ago, Devin said:

I don't mean emotions(anger, happiness, sadness)

At all

Same with raw sensations. It's not like they happen outside of your mind.

[Devin]

14 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Same with raw sensations. It's not like they happen outside of your mind.

They're not strictly entangled with mental imagery or abstraction, is my point, you can just feel

Part of your mind you can't access with language(understanding)

Edited August 11, 2022 by Devin

[Nilsi]

Just now, Devin said:

They're not strictly entangled with mental imagery or abstraction, is my point, you can just feel

I don't want to turn this into a discussion about metaphysics, so let's just leave it at that.