Girlfriend won't let me watch porn...

[zurew]

7 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Suppression of sexual desires is not healthy either.

And it takes a lot of mental power to repress sexual desires everyday. I might argue that watching porn 1-2 times a week take a lot less mental power from you compared to repressing your sexual desires every day, 7 times a week.

 

Also, when you are super horny, thats where you make the worst decisions in your life.

Edited August 10, 2022 by zurew

[Tyler Robinson]

Just now, zurew said:

And it takes a lot of mental power to repress sexual desires everyday. I might argue that watching porn 1-2 times a week take a lot less mental power from you compared to repressing your sexual desires every day, 7 times a week

Yea exactly. It just seems odd to even suppress something that is naturally arising. Feels like going against nature. Well it might have some health benefits like not losing physical energy or protein from your body, I think the mental harm caused by suppressing desires outweighs any benefits that people boast about. It's almost like mental torture, one might get used to it after a while, but long term suppression might even lead to deviant sexual behavior. 

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, KH2 said:

I'm not shutting it down, I'm using to to motivate me towards approaching women, and gaining new sexual experiences. I think that's rather healthy.

And, like I've already mentioned, it auto regulates anyway.

Ok. Try this: notice if you feel more or less uptight when talking to women while being on 2+ weeks of nofap vs. having masturbated the day before (granted you're regularly masturbating, not straight after ending a month-long streak).

Your hand is an auto-regulation mechanism

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, KH2 said:

Tbh, I feel relaxed with chicks, when I'm regurarly socializing with people. Whether I masturbate or not, makes no difference - I'm just more motivated.

You don't notice a dip in sexual urges after 2 weeks?

[Nilsi]

16 minutes ago, KH2 said:

I actually like the craving, I prefer it over feeling nothing. Similiar during sex, masturbation, eating a cookie or whatever, I always liked the process a lot more than the finish. I actually prefer that horny/testosterony feeling, makes me perfmorm better when exercising for example.

If you really love your semen so much, you could at least give some form of tantric sex a shot. You could check out Mantak Chias book called "The multi-orgasmic Man" or David Deidas "The enlightened Sex Manual." If you're worried about your time, this would give you your spiritual practice and your sexual expression as a package deal + you won't have to spill your juice. For me personally, the energy that builds up from this gets unbearable rather quickly, so I'm not that into it, but maybe you'll enjoy it.

[Tyler Robinson]

14 minutes ago, KH2 said:

I think lows and highs in sexual interest are fairly common amongst all men, masturbators and non masturbators. You can't really predict the exact time and date when your sexual interest dips.

I'm not really worried about this anyway, because body knows the best how to regulate hormones properly.

I can tell you're the kind of guy who does a lot of work out. 

[Carl-Richard]

9 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

What kills me the most is how porn didn't even exist just one hundred years ago

Hahaha

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Depictions of a sexual nature have existed since prehistoric times, as seen in the Venus figurines and rock art. A vast number of artifacts have been discovered from ancient Mesopotamia depicting explicit heterosexual sex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography#History

[Carl-Richard]

13 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Right now, most men masturbate daily

No 

[Carl-Richard]

48 minutes ago, KH2 said:

I think lows and highs in sexual interest are fairly common amongst all men, masturbators and non masturbators. You can't really predict the exact time and date when your sexual interest dips.

I just think it's a weird way to motivate yourself when most people report a dip after 2 weeks. It also fits with my personal experience.

[Tyler Robinson]

20 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

You know you can masturbate perfectly fine without porn, right? And

To be honest, not so sure about that one. When I needed to do that, I either needed assistance of (porn) or imagining that my boyfriend was doing (somethings) to me. I don't know how to do that with nothing to feed my mind. Nearly impossible unless you're talking about clitoral stuff, but that's not easy at all, after a while there's zero stimulus. You gotta be creative(mentally). 

[zurew]

23 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

When you try to masturbate without porn, you notice that it actually takes work and energy

Yep and time as well. If you don't have time to think up images in your head or if you don't have good visual imagination then you could waste a lot of time and energy to try to masturbate without porn. Porn makes it more easy and you still don't have to do it every day.

[Tyler Robinson]

2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Tyler Robinson I think this might be the case because you are too disconnected from your body. Personally, I actually prefer to masturbate without any fantazies at all, focusing purely on sensations and it feels pretty great.

And doing this while on mushrooms is 10 times better, seriously, no porn can compare, and it also feels more healthy and natural to me.

Umm don't know how that works. Most people I know have never said something like that to me. They need something imaginative and or visual to get stimulated. 

[Tyler Robinson]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

think that you need to have social stigma programmed into you, and actually think that it is somehow wrong or edgy to get turned of by it. That's also why church members are often known for being the biggest perverts, I guess.

I never thought that it was wrong or edgy to physically stimulate myself. That's not the problem at all. I never shamed myself. So I'm not the church type. When I was 14, I remember stimulating myself for the first time and I still needed to imagine something. It never happened on its own. So I'm kinda stumped that you do it like that. I simply don't think it's possible. Maybe for men, but still, most men I spoke with never admitted to such a thing. I mean, makes you wonder why porn is so popular. And no, porn has a long history. It didn't suddenly come out of nowhere. It existed for millenia. It just wasn't too prevalent but not non existent. 

[Tyler Robinson]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

Also it's kind of funny because I thought that it would be easier for a girl to get in touch with her bodily sensations than it is for an average guy.

I get the idea that you're somehow clueless on female biology. Have you been with a female in bed? Women orgasm slowly but much more intensely, you have to build them up to climax, women need an awful lot of emotional and mental stimulation to reach orgasmic levels, even if they're horny, that's why we use the word "orgasming" instead of "jerking off." 

I'm curious where you get your ideas about women,sure as hell you aren't getting those from a relationship. 

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, KH2 said:

After the dip, things go back to normal, aren't they? It's not like you become impotent on nofap or semen retention, you function like a normal human being - a human being that doesn't waste time jerking off to pixels, I might add.

Not necessarily. The effects of emotional repression can be severe. You're conditioning yourself to act a certain way in response to a stimulus, and this creates lasting changes that may only be reversed through a lot of effort and rehabilitation. Also just generally, the act of ignoring the meaningful content behind a feeling is inherently neurotic and will bleed over to other aspects of your psychology. Your body is intelligent and knows exactly what it needs, and it tells you this through feelings. You just need to be able to distinguish between mental compulsions and organic stimuli (what you want vs. what you need). It's easy to know when you're fapping because of true horniness or because of habit, but less so if you're used to repressing all the feelings related to it.

[Carl-Richard]

7 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

I guess you could call her an incel altogether, propagating incel dogma, as you have mentioned before.

I'm only arguing against complete abstinence and Stage Blue style emotional repression. All the so-called benefits of nofap are achievable by just fapping moderately. You should fap just as much as you need to fap; not more, not less.

[Tyler Robinson]

@Something Funny I wasn't shaming you. Just letting you know that experience doesn't align with what you're saying. Getting in touch with the body is kinda fine with spiritual retreats, but when it comes to sex, you're a bit ignorant, you don't know much, is it okay to say you don't know much or are you offended by this? 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

@Something Funny Teal Swan does not have much authority when it comes to women. Although I appreciate a lot of what she puts out, but she is like a weird woman with obvious mental illnesses. I don't take her too seriously. 

It's like following Leo for marriage advice. Would be bad idea. 

 

[Hardkill]

On 8/9/2022 at 11:07 AM, Leo Gura said:

It's a silly expectation for her to hold.

You shouldn't quit porn because a girl tells you to.

A guy requires way more sex than a girl. A girl will not understand this. It's like telling your cat to quit scratching the couch.

What she's really feeling is insecurity and a lack of love from you. She has the wrong idea in her head that your porn watching reduces your love for her. Convince her otherwise.

So, it isn't true that women want sex just as much as men if not more?

[Devin]

@Tyler Robinson

I can masturbate easily and I haven't looked at porn in years, and it's a much better and fulfilling experience now.

Also, there are girls that orgasm quicker than me (male). I thought most girls can cum in a few minutes

Edited August 11, 2022 by Devin