Reality being a dream

[JuliusCaesar]

53 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

@JuliusCaesar That 434 person you mentioned has released complete geocentric nonsense of scientific illiteracy and absurdity, so to advocate a return to sun worship . . .

 

To say nothing about the fact that early in the video he claims that all religions are the same pagan religion, in spite of many obvious differences that exist between them. I was originally going to respond on a scientific basis to claims he makes in the video. But he makes so many errors, many of which seem very difficult to make as silly as they are. And so I'll just state rather simply that yes, essentially all of the scientific claims in the video are untrue or at least mostly untrue. And the "official narrative" as it were is dramatically more accurate than 434's positions here.

I wouldn't say that 434 has fallen into as Leo would say "a trap of spiritual work", but that he's rather, relying on ordinary human cognition, and reasoning with it very poorly led himself substantially astray, as many flat earthers have done, or really all flat earthers since the Earth is, in fact, a Spheroidal object approximating perfect sphericity.

Though I suppose you could argue that doing real spiritual work in some humans will give head to certain untenable conspiracy theories. As the individual becomes aware of the illusory nature of their existence, that narrative colors how they see everything, leading them into paranoid delusions. The solution from my standpoint is very simple, and that would be either to practice extreme openmindedness to the point of accepting mainstream views as being potentially correct even if you're convinced that they're total bullshit. Or even better, you could develop your intuition to such a high degree that you automatically see through the false narratives.

I know I said I wouldn't comment on his scientific claims, but I find it interesting that towards the end of the video he mentions concave earth theory as a serious possibility. Which demonstrates that he's at least not certain as to what the shape of the Earth is.

 

I feel that what I'm about to say here goes without saying. But the things of his I've cited in the past, that I know to have validity in my own experience I stand by. It isn't logical to dismiss a source entirely simply because they made a mistake, no matter how stupid that mistake may be.

[JuliusCaesar]

2 hours ago, Matthew85 said:

According to Leo and he may be correct, we need to stop making a distinction between our nightly dreams and our waking dream. They are both a creation of our mind. If this is true, why is so much easier for me to see my mind playing out in the narratives of my nightly dreams? But when I look for the same in my waking reality, it's a lot more difficult to see the correlation? Does anyone have any thoughts on this? 

What would happen if all the day long you thought mentally to yourself "I'm dreaming. I'm dreaming. I'm dreaming." or "I'm dreaming and I know it. I'm dreaming and I know it."? What kind of impact might that have on your sleeping dreams, in light of how sleeping dreams often reiterate experiences from the waking dream? And, given that novel experiences from sleeping dreams on occasion carry over into the waking world, how would that, if you practiced it for a long period impact your waking world experience?

[Matthew85]

@JuliusCaesar I've practiced something similar. I have an increase in lucid sleeping dreams. 

What I am more curious about is if I am always dreaming the realities I'm experiencing, why isn't it easier for me to see the narratives of my mind playing out in my waking life and world events? In analyzing my sleeping dreams, I can clearly identify the narratives of the dreams reflecting my mind. 

Perhaps our sleeping dreams are a creation of the personality mind, where waking reality is the creation of our higher mind or God. This would explain why it's easier for me to see my mind in my nightly dreams. 

Edited August 15, 2022 by Matthew85

[JuliusCaesar]

15 hours ago, Matthew85 said:

I can clearly identify the narratives of the dreams reflecting my mind. 

I've been able to do this in the waking world before, but I'll stipulate that it tends to be much easier in sleeping dreams.

 

15 hours ago, Matthew85 said:

Perhaps our sleeping dreams are a creation of the personality mind, where waking reality is the creation of our higher mind or God. This would explain why it's easier for me to see my mind in my nightly dreams. 

They're both a creation of ours/God, it's just that the sleeping dreams are closer to the self than the waking dream, so the self has to expand its horizons in order to see the waking world as a personal hallucination.

[Matthew85]

1 hour ago, JuliusCaesar said:

They're both a creation of ours/God, it's just that the sleeping dreams are closer to the self than the waking dream, so the self has to expand its horizons in order to see the waking world as a personal hallucination.

@JuliusCaesar I like this explanation. Still, I would think I should see more parallels in the narratives between sleeping and waking reality. 

[JuliusCaesar]

5 hours ago, Matthew85 said:

@JuliusCaesar I like this explanation. Still, I would think I should see more parallels in the narratives between sleeping and waking reality. 

What if next time you're lucid dreaming, you tell the dream exactly what you've told me, what would happen?

[Matthew85]

21 minutes ago, JuliusCaesar said:

What if next time you're lucid dreaming, you tell the dream exactly what you've told me, what would happen?

@JuliusCaesar I'm not sure.

I am very interested in experimenting more with how shifts in our state change waking reality. It's fascinating to play with. How far could you take it? I don't know. 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Matthew85

[JuliusCaesar]

18 hours ago, Matthew85 said:

@JuliusCaesar I'm not sure.

Only one way to find out.

 

18 hours ago, Matthew85 said:

I am very interested in experimenting more with how shifts in our state change waking reality. It's fascinating to play with. How far could you take it? I don't know. 

You're here striking essentially at the purpose of sentient beings existing. To push the envelope, to explore unknown possibilities, and move beyond present limitations.

[Matthew85]

If we are always dreaming and waking reality is just another layer of the dream, then awakening and becoming lucid in this dream should give us some very interesting experiences. Does anyone have any they would like to share? How did your experience of the waking dream change for you after awakening and becoming lucid?

[JuliusCaesar]

38 minutes ago, Matthew85 said:

How did your experience of the waking dream change for you after awakening and becoming lucid?

For myself personally, this is technically an ongoing process, I'm yet to get anyway near the full potential of lucidity within the waking dream. But what I can say from a combination of 3rd and 1st person experiences I've had of awakening, you usually go back to something incredibly similar to your old baseline state of consciousness/limitations/experience after your awakening(in the waking dream) experience. And in that state, you're mostly like a normal human, but intellectually know things no normal human does from memory of higher experiences of God-consciousness. This is mostly what's happened to Leo, though as I've implied these experiences do have at least a minor impact on your baseline.

 

Something that should be noted, is that awakening whilst in the waking dream is something very different from waking up from the waking dream. What Leo myself, and many others have done is wake up from the dream, then return to it afterward. Awakening whilst still in the dream is perceived as being much more difficult because in order to dream the dream, you have to be self-fooled sufficiently enough so as to buy into the dream and not simply discard it out of disinterest. It is possible to be awake within the dream and remain within it, but you need either incredibly high sweetness of emotion or attachments and pleasures within the dream so stupidly strong that knowing on all levels that it's a sham doesn't stop you from wanting it anyway.

 

To attempt to put it into sexual terms, imagine feeling sexual lust so strong that your old self on 100 pills of Cialis would pail in comparison to the sheer intensity of the kind of pleasure I'm referencing. When obviously, assuming you could live on that high of a dose, you'd be so horny when encountering the object of your desire that you'd become totally mesmerized as if under a powerful spell.

 

 

[Matthew85]

@JuliusCaesar I feel we should be able to stay interested in this waking dream after becoming lucid. Maybe even more so.

In my sleeping lucid dreams shifting my state will change the environment. I feel a similar thing occurs in the waking dream too but sleeping dreams are more thought responsive and change faster so its very noticeable. I had an interesting experience recently. I had been meditating and chanting I am god for a couple hours until my state had shifted. Afterward I stopped by a store I shop at. Usually everyone there ignores me but that day everyone was treating me like I was a rock star. I just smiled to myself. I'm sure it was a reflection of my change in state. I would like to experiment with this more to see what can be achieved. I am certain our dominant state affects our reality.

Another fun experiment I'm doing again is rehearsing conversations with people ahead of time. I've had some play out recently verbatim the way I rehearsed them in my mind. I love when that happens. It's a fun confirmation. 

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Matthew85 said:

If we are always dreaming and waking reality is just another layer of the dream, then awakening and becoming lucid in this dream should give us some very interesting experiences. Does anyone have any they would like to share? How did your experience of the waking dream change for you after awakening and becoming lucid?

1. That imagination is instant. It isn't bound by physics. For example you could imagine me into existence instantaneously and out of existence instanteously in an instant. In fact you could do it between blinks of your eye.

2. Everything is just another state of awareness/consciousness. At different levels different things happen. I've never gotten drunk before...so I couldn't state from my experience what I noticed with that, but my first time getting high...I exploded into infinity LOL. So....yeah different states can give different results.

3. Reality works off intention, it is always constantly serving your intention, but conscious and subconscious intention. This is why meditation is so important its the most important skill in your entire life. Nothing is more important than being able to concentrate so your reality can be stable. Most people on the forums do not believe LOA works...it does. Its literally the same as Karma, or the everyone is your mirror concept/law. If everything is YOU, then how could LOA NOT work!! Everything is interconnected and ONE, so of course it can. Anyone telling you it doesn't work is not awake. I've tested it out and it works lol. Its pure intention. 

Anyone that has mastered LOA is awake in this dream lol. All enlightened people aren't these Buddhists, a lot of them are business owners as well. One of the biggest barriers to noticing LOA is the belief in luck or coincidences there is no such thing as luck or coincidence. Its like saying 1+1=2 is a coincidence.  2 is connected to 1. There cannot be 2 without 1, well LOA works the same way. 

For every action there is an equal opposite reaction. Everything in reality reveals the duality. Non-duality says its not two its one. If its one...then its connected. If its connected then every thought, emotion, you feel....the universe/reality feels. This is what everyone is your mirror means, this is what karma means, this is what LOA means. 

As your awareness raises you will notice more coincidences they were always there...you were just too asleep to notice them.

[axiom]

6 hours ago, Matthew85 said:

If we are always dreaming and waking reality is just another layer of the dream, then awakening and becoming lucid in this dream should give us some very interesting experiences. Does anyone have any they would like to share? How did your experience of the waking dream change for you after awakening and becoming lucid?

Waking reality no longer seems to appear real. It seems like a vibrant nothing. All appearances are seen to be on an equal footing, including thoughts and awareness. There is no centre. There is no time. Ego is seen for what it is. All of spirituality, all striving and seeking is seen as an excuse, a clinging. It seems very obvious that life is complete and perfect as it is, and that nothing needs to happen in any particular way.

Edited September 8, 2022 by axiom

[Breakingthewall]

On 15/8/2022 at 3:53 AM, Matthew85 said:

According to Leo and he may be correct, we need to stop making a distinction between our nightly dreams and our waking dream. They are both a creation of our mind. If this is true, why is so much easier for me to see my mind playing out in the narratives of my nightly dreams? But when I look for the same in my waking reality, it's a lot more difficult to see the correlation? Does anyone have any thoughts on this? 

I don't understand why he says that. the apparent reality, the history of the ego, is like a dream, because it is unreal. reality is one, organic, deep, and has no meaning, while the history of the ego is multiple, superficial, and full of meaning. but when you dream as an ego, it's different. your dreams are snippets of waking reality, they are not original, they are your mind rearranging its memories and creating an experience. The dream, or creation, of reality, of God, is completely deliberate, completely creative, perfect down to the smallest detail. it is real! in fact, it is god. the dream is the dreamer. in the nigh there is dreamer and the dream, duality. not in reality. God is not dreaming reality. this is reality, this is god. it just seems like a story

 

[RMQualtrough]

Obviously none of this is real. If a person thinks a dream isn't real then neither is this.

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't understand why he says that. the apparent reality, the history of the ego, is like a dream, because it is unreal. reality is one, organic, deep, and has no meaning, while the history of the ego is multiple, superficial, and full of meaning. but when you dream as an ego, it's different. your dreams are snippets of waking reality, they are not original, they are your mind rearranging its memories and creating an experience. The dream, or creation, of reality, of God, is completely deliberate, completely creative, perfect down to the smallest detail. it is real! in fact, it is god. the dream is the dreamer. in the nigh there is dreamer and the dream, duality. not in reality. God is not dreaming reality. this is reality, this is god. it just seems like a story

 

There is no distinction between your nightly dreams and your waking dream. 

This man had a whole other life for 6 months!! 6 months in the dream!!

There is no freaking difference. 

[SOUL]

The 'dream' is just another story that is used to justify reasoning of the 'life is not real' belief.

 

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Razard86 said:

There is no distinction between your nightly dreams and your waking dream. 

This man had a whole other life for 6 months!! 6 months in the dream!!

There is no freaking difference. 

On 15/8/2022 at 3:53 AM, Matthew85 said:

 

I think it's not the same. a salvia trip takes you to unimaginable places. It seems that it opens some dimension, or something like that. On the other hand, when you dream at night, everything is related to your waking life. it is basically the same as daydreaming, a function of the mind that reproduces reality in order to anticipate events and increase survival

[RMQualtrough]

8 hours ago, Razard86 said:

There is no distinction between your nightly dreams and your waking dream. 

This man had a whole other life for 6 months!! 6 months in the dream!!

There is no freaking difference. 

A lot of the guests on Joe Rogan's podcast seem like bullshit artists tbh.

I've used Salvia a LOT and most of my friends have used it. Someone is in for a serious fright when they expect to go live 6 months as an Aztec warrior and instead the world collapses into a 2D flipbook and they're a tile on a neverending checkerboard being shredded with an ominous overtone that the universe is ending.

Apart from Mike Tyson (who looked at Joe like "wtf" when Joe was claiming he smoked loads of toad and saw cool star shapes) and Hamilton, none of his guests seem to have trips anything even remotely similar to what every other person experiences with it.

[axiom]

3 minutes ago, RMQualtrough said:

...and instead the world collapses into a 2D flipbook and they're a tile on a neverending checkerboard being shredded with an ominous overtone that the universe is ending.

Hilarious!