Cured my Post Orgasm Illness Syndrome. No longer need to do semen retention.

[LSD-Rumi]

2 hours ago, tezk said:

I've noticed that my POIS symptoms do seem to correlate with the amount of ejaculation released. Maybe you are ejaculating less (which is what tends to happen if you aren't extremely erotically aroused). 

No on the contrary. I ejaculate more now. previously a lot of semen stays in the penis and when I urinate after ejaculation, there was a lot of semen in it. Now I let all the semen out and my urine is clear. 

Sometimes, If I masturbate like old days, I get all the bad symptoms instantly. 

[tezk]

1 hour ago, integral said:

?Thats exactly what ive been doing for the past year. But Im still failing occasionally and its a issue, i found that doing hip trusts with heavy weight strengthens the PC muscles and generally makes me last longer and have higher degrees of awareness/control. Do you have any tips that helped strengthen your technique? 

This is your problem right here tho. You're still failing occasionally because it's natural to ejaculate. My advice would be to turn your full attention into healing / reversing your POIS symptoms if you haven't already. Like have you tried nicotinamide, anti histamines, diet, etc for POIS?

I just practiced and practiced and practiced not ejaculating during sex, as ejaculation wasn't an option (like in your situation). That seemed to build very strong endurance naturally. Didn't do any other things. Give it time and you should only get better. 

David Deida has some decent resources on this. From memory, I would also inhale and exhale deeply coinciding with my PC holds, if that makes sense. 

 

[Bando]

@tezk Thank you for your high quality post 

[MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI]

On 8/5/2022 at 6:32 AM, tezk said:

Hey guys,

I feel like posting this to share some insight and understanding into the whole "semen retention" and "nofap" discussion/debate. I've been a big advocator of semen retention specifically because of how drained and severely depleted I was after ejaculation. Anxiety, fatigue, irritability, brainfog for 2-3 days following ejaculation. Started when I was about 17. There is no difference between sex or masturbation, as long as I ejaculated I experience severe symptoms. It took me a while personally to make the connection between my severe symptoms and ejaculation. Then it took even longer to actually understand it as a diagnosable condition, and not some divine phenomena that eastern mysticism and philosophy were speaking of i.e., taoist talk a lot about the benefits of semen retention and preserving life force energy/chi, etc.

I believe that a lot of people in the semen retention and nofap communities actually have undiagnosed post orgasm illness syndrome (POIS) to varying degrees. 

Technically I have not cured it from the root, but my solution does remove 99% symptoms. I can ejaculate however much I want and within 2 hours or so I feel completely normal. The solution that works for me: fenugreek, raw minced garlic - let it sit for 10 minutes before swallowing, a specific B-complex and gluten-free diet. I take the fenugreek and garlic before and after ejaculating, and the B-complex afterwards. You can read more in depth of my solution and journal here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3964.msg42080#msg42080

I still believe there are useful benefits to semen retention and nofap. Most notably dopamine detox/austerity practice, and insane levels of energy. I will certainly still be using these as tools generally speaking. The difference is that I can now consciously choose, rather than be forced to do it out of fear.

You might have POIS if you feel severely depleted after ejaculation (or any other negative symptoms for that matter). You can test and trial the different solutions that have worked for different people here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.0

Good.

Edited July 9, 2023 by MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI
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[tezk]

New video: My 6-Year Journey with Post-Orgasm-Illness-Syndrome

I go deep in this one. I cover everything from how bad my symptoms were, my struggles with severe social anxiety, to being swept into the semen retention ideology, trying to naively heal myself through meditation, and then finally discovering the POIS community & my solution. And much more!

Edited July 9, 2023 by tezk

[tezk]

Could Semen Retention 'Benefits' be Undiagnosed Post-Orgasm-Illness-Syndrome?

 

[integral]

@tezk Good stuff! I wish that solution worked for me, low carb is worse then the inflammation for my body, drains energy to digest heavy foods.  

[tezk]

14 hours ago, integral said:

@tezk Good stuff! I wish that solution worked for me, low carb is worse then the inflammation for my body, drains energy to digest heavy foods.  

Lots of different POIS clusters & therefore different solutions.

Lots to try here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448

My solution relieves my POIS but it sucks having such low variety in my diet. Once I make some more money, I will be trying to reverse my food sensitivites.

[Javfly33]

For me it was all about energetic release. When I cum to femdom and humiliation darkness crap, I want to kill myself afterwards of how bad it feels, when I cum to normal - loving - vanilla porn, in 20 minutes I´m back at baseline...sometimes I even feel better if my imagination was really pure.

Next time try summing to a tantra session video, see if you really have a crash like usual...

[tezk]

I have redone the following video as the last one was missing a lot of important nuances & details. This is a more up-to-date version of the issue in guys getting caught up in the semen retention ideology without realizing they have a medical issue.
 

I talk about my 4 year experience of going through this. 

[Bando]

@tezk You should start your own blog about this stuff as well, synthisize all the information you've learned over the years and talk about different topics, it can also double as a script for your youtube videos.

[LSD-Rumi]

@Javfly33 Yeah, it is about the way you masturbate, it seems we are more prone than others to the effect of unconscious masturbation. The solution is simple, learn to, masturbate in a more conscious way. Watch good porn, let the energy flow in the body, take it slow and then ejaculate smoothly and  drown in joy. 

Edited July 24, 2023 by LSD-Rumi

[tezk]

On 25/07/2023 at 7:20 AM, Bando said:

@tezk You should start your own blog about this stuff as well, synthisize all the information you've learned over the years and talk about different topics, it can also double as a script for your youtube videos.

Hmmm. I've really enjoyed creating these videos so far. I don't like the tediousness of editing though haha. I've tried writing in the past and didn't find it as enjoyable, but who knows. I plan on creating content past the topic of POIS. This is just what I am starting with given that it's been so relevant to me over the past 6 years.

Writing would help with articulation, ideation, etc. Maybe I will. I know Dan Koe is big on writing in his initial ideation stages.

Edited July 25, 2023 by tezk

[tezk]

On 25/07/2023 at 8:05 AM, LSD-Rumi said:

@Javfly33 Yeah, it is about the way you masturbate, it seems we are more prone than others to the effect of unconscious masturbation. The solution is simple, learn to, masturbate in a more conscious way. Watch good porn, let the energy flow in the body, take it slow and then ejaculate smoothly and  drown in joy. 

If it works for you, then keep doin what your doin! I don't really buy it for others tho.

The only thing I have noticed is that arousal levels do seem to affect the intensity of POIS symptoms & the subsequent ejaculation amount. I have heard this a few times in the POIS community as well.

I had some pretty awesome sex the other day and wouldn't call it unconscious or toxic at all. I still got 5% POIS symptoms (in other words, my condition was still triggered). 

[integral]

@LSD-Rumi If we connect your other post discovering how you had low dopamine and a medication helped with that. Then it can reason masturbation especially to porn is significantly making that worse.

[EugeneTheSage]

In my case I've started experiencing POIS after 7 years of masturbation. In the first few years I didn't felt any change. I think the solution would be to stop masturbating. But in the meantime, I'd try the fenugreek-garlic solution. Maybe in my case it was always B-complex which helped - when I was taking it together with vitamin D, gingko, bacopa I haven't experienced POIS

[LSD-Rumi]

46 minutes ago, integral said:

@LSD-Rumi If we connect your other post discovering how you had low dopamine and a medication helped with that. Then it can reason masturbation especially to porn is significantly making that worse.

It dosen't work this way. I get a dopamine surge after masturbation and I feel relaxed and cool. But the problem is that my brain is defeicent in a more chronic way. 

Edited July 29, 2023 by LSD-Rumi

[tezk]

I've recently discovered a new method for fixing my POIS that simultaneously alleviates my food sensitivities. For context, my food sensitivities are directly tied to my POIS condition. In addition to severe fatigue, brainfog, and anxiety from ejaculation, I would also experience anxiety and brain fog from plant foods, gluten being the worst.

The method & theory is outlined here (POIS Cascade Stack): https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2502.0

Nanna1 has a strong scientific background where he goes into a lot of detail in discussing what he believes is behind POIS and a corresponding supplement stack that should theoretically fix the issue. Nanna1 also shares his Immune Competence Therapy which is supposed to cure POIS. Essentially it's a supplement regime that stimulates the immune system to begin working through its issues one-by-one. From my non-scientific understanding of his theory, POIS is a combination of a latent viral and a dysfunctional immune response.

The difference between this method (Nanna1's initial method, which he calls his POIS Cascade Stack) and his Immune Competence Therapy is that when you go off the POIS Cascade Stack, symptoms return. This has also been the case in my direct experience. It doesn't cure the problem, just fixes the symptoms while you take those specific supplements. The immune competence therapy should in theory cure the problem, where you eventually will not need to take any supplements.

While on Nanna1's POIS Cascade Stack, I have achieved a remarkable level of remission regarding both my POIS symptoms AND food sensitivities. I can eat a normal diet while being the most POIS-free I have ever experienced.

There have been some instances where slight POIS symptoms have slipped through. One time I released 3 times in one night and did notice mild symptoms the following day. There was also a period when I stopped supplementing Omega-3 (an important supplement in the POIS Cascade Stack) and began noticing increased sensitivity to foods and symptoms in general. This is something I am still investigating.

All in all, this method is an enormous breakthrough. I wouldn't share this if the results were not significant. I have tested this for over a month. The results so far appear to be better than my old POIS solution (animal-based diet, raw garlic, fenugreek, B complex, eggs, & red meat) but it's still a bit early to tell. 

Let me reiterate a few POIS truths:

1. POIS is most likely NOT autoimmune. But does involve a dysfunctional immune response and viral element, at least for this type. This means that you can most likely cure it.

2. Significant symptoms following ejaculation is NOT normal or healthy. This is classic post-orgasm-illness-syndrome (POIS).

3. This decade's recent semen retention wave, comprised of thousands of men in the semen retention community (reddit) and even many "nofap" types, is most likely a reaction to negative symptoms stemming from undiagnosed post-orgasm illness syndrome (POIS).

Edited November 16, 2023 by tezk