Imagining that you are imagining

[Questioner]

How do you know that you aren't imagining that you are imagining everything?

Some claim everything is imaginary in which case even their own idea that "everything is imaginary" is just their imagination. 

 

[Someone here]

Everyone is imagining. You are imagining. People are imagining along with you .and you are imagining them. And they are imagining you imagining them .and you are imagining them imagining you imagining them.

Edited August 4, 2022 by Someone here

[Questioner]

18 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Everyone is imagining. You are imagining. People are imagining along with you .and you are imagining them. And they are imagining you imagining them .and you are imagining them imagining you imagining them.

You may be imagining that you and I are imagining when you and I really aren't. How do you know you aren't doing that?

Edited August 4, 2022 by Questioner

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Questioner said:

You may be imagining that you and I are imagining when you and I really aren't. How do you know you aren't doing that?

I don't know anything. 

[Questioner]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I don't know anything. 

Then why did you make your previous claim?

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Questioner said:

Then why did you make your previous claim?

I was just toying with you .

Seriously tho ..if you want to talk about imagination ..

You think you are the same person living in the same world all the time. and you are not recognizing that each moment a new reality is constructed and its constantly fluctuating. if not for your memory which gives the illusion of consistency. Which is of course completely imaginary. Notice : you are literally imagining your memories and your past. 

You might look at your Hand and you might think that your hand is consistent.. But actually object's permanence is conceptual. There is no "hand" to begin with as a physical "object". It changes every millisecond. Takes different locations in time and space. So It has no consistency from this pov. The consistency is imagined 

Your hand is literally not consistent. Just because the mind constructs the consistency. it’s actually a different hand each second . The shape.. Location and position have all changed. Moment by moment, some facet of direct experience has changed. Even your hands are not  the same hands  while staring at it  moment by moment. Whether one’s level of consciousness is capable of observing the fluctuations in perception and see through the illusion of consistency is a different matter. 

My point is.. Almost 90 % of your reality has nothing to do with reality. It's imaginary.  But as you can see...these imaginations are so important to your sense of reality and to your stability and functionality.. Without the imagination of the external world and of consistency you might have a mental breakdown. That explains why it's hard to see through the illusion and awaken to the truth

[Questioner]

@Someone here How is your past imaginary? Your don't think your past happened?

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Questioner said:

@Someone here How is your past imaginary? Your don't think your past happened?

Well .."where " is your past other than a thought/memory? 

[Nilsi]

You're just kicking the can down the road. Either you are imagining, in which case you are imagining everything, or you don't, in which case life is just a complete irreducible mystery. Both are true simultaneously and that's really all there is to it.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Questioner said:

How do you know that you aren't imagining that you are imagining everything?

Some claim everything is imaginary in which case even their own idea that "everything is imaginary" is just their imagination. 

 

You need an awakening..that's it.  Awakening is prior to belief or ideology.   It can't be explained.

[Vibroverse]

Well, you've asked a good question that creates a strange loop, a paradox, in itself, in a sense, that if all is imagination, then isn't the idea that all is imagination itself is an imagination? I think it is interesting that we cannot stop coming up with paradoxes and loops when we are trying to explain what reality is while us and our process of explaining this also is a part of the reality that we are trying to explain. And at that point, we, in a sense, get to a point where logical deductions stop being meaningful, because we begin to even question the nature of logical deductions. 

I think that's why they used the koans, or maybe naturally have become the koans, to point out to that which is not in the realm of logic, that which is, in a sense, metalogic, or perhaps, alogic. We find a form of this in Russell's paradoxes, for instance, where language and concept become a loop unto itself. But that, I guess, might be the peephole where now we can meet something that, in a sense, is under the perception, to know the perception. 

[Kamo]

8 hours ago, Questioner said:

How do you know that you aren't imagining that you are imagining everything?

Some claim everything is imaginary in which case even their own idea that "everything is imaginary" is just their imagination. 

 

I think because of exactly that. Your imagining one way or the other. 

[Kamo]

@Inliytened1  How might you describe your personal awakening?

[amanen]

You imagining reality as God is a much deeper level of imagination than just "you imagining that you are imagining".

There are layers to imagination. Dont confuse actual direct experience (which is still imagined) for human level imagination.