CIA cover ups

[trenton]

I think this is a critical topic for understanding governmental corruption, conspiracy theories, and survival. There is another dimension to politics which is largely unseen by most people. The cia has a history of many cover ups and covert operations without telling congress while using the excuse of national security to hide corruption. How can we navigate this issue without getting sucked into speculation, while bringing out the truth? There is a reason why this topic invites so many conspiracy theorists given the several controversies the cia has hidden and continues to hide.

I have been doing a lot of research into ufos lately. Although the United States spends a lot of money on the military, it is not only because of the wars in the Middle East. The military is involved in multiple programs to reverse engineer ufos because they outclass every machine they have. They have been recorded moving faster than 13000 mph, whereas the fastest military jet travels at a max speed of 5000 mph. Ufos can move in ways thought to be physically impossible, which draws into question everything we hold as true about physics and engineering. This is another factor in the massive military spending of the United States. 

The issue becomes very suspicious when you piece together the lies of the cia. In 1997 the cia admitted to lying about the roswell incident of 1947. The cia also has a history of manipulating Wikipedia pages related to the Iraq War. Meanwhile the Wikipedia pages on the roswell incident still echos the same lies the cia said before 1997. The implications are very incriminating. As a result there are countless conspiracy theories surrounding the topic of cia cover ups.

Other issues include manufactured consent, overthrowing democratically elected leaders as in operation condor, funding terrorists in Afghanistan during operation cyclone, lying to congress about operations like these and there could be more covert operations, domestic wiretapping, and much more. How can we get to the truth of these issues while maintaining epistemic responsibility?

There is a list of cia controversies on Wikipedia. What other controversies do you know about? I think conspiracy theories seem inevitable when considering issues like these because people are trying to figure out what is being hidden from us through the lie of national security. This issue is at the heart of governmental corruption. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies

[Yarco]

Real conspiracies that actually happened:

– Project Sunshine (US Government used 1,000+ bodies of dead kids and babies for nuclear tests without consent from parents)
– MK Ultra (Mind control experiments)
– COINTELPRO (US Government infiltrating, co-opting, disrupting political organizations)
– Watergate (Republican president organizing people to break into DNC headquarters)
– NSA Mass Surveillance (PRISM) (Edward Snowden stuff)
– Tuskegee Experiment (US Government infected black people with syphilis without consent and then allowed them to die even after a cure was found)
– Government poisoned alcohol during prohibition
– Cancer-causing polio vaccines
– Bayer Medicine caused AIDS and they kept it on the market even after finding out
– Operation Paperclip (Bringing Nazi scientists to America to help develop rockets, chemical weapons, etc)
- Project Mockingbird (US Government spying on journalists)
– FBI spied on MLK
– Operation Snow White (Church of Scientology infiltrating all levels of government)
– Big Oil pushed climate change disinfo
– Big Tobacco lied about cancer
– Nayirah Testimony (Fake news about Iraq)
– #FreeBritney movement (Britney Spears basically held hostage by her family)
– US Government violated an embargo and then used the proceeds to fund a rebel group (Iran-Contra Affair)
– Bohemian Grove (Rich people gathering in the woods to do weird rituals), Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, etc

Edited July 28, 2022 by Yarco

[Danioover9000]

@Yarco

16 hours ago, Yarco said:

Real conspiracies that actually happened:

– Project Sunshine (US Government used 1,000+ bodies of dead kids and babies for nuclear tests without consent from parents)
– MK Ultra (Mind control experiments)
– COINTELPRO (US Government infiltrating, co-opting, disrupting political organizations)
– Watergate (Republican president organizing people to break into DNC headquarters)
– NSA Mass Surveillance (PRISM) (Edward Snowden stuff)
– Tuskegee Experiment (US Government infected black people with syphilis without consent and then allowed them to die even after a cure was found)
– Government poisoned alcohol during prohibition
– Cancer-causing polio vaccines
– Bayer Medicine caused AIDS and they kept it on the market even after finding out
– Operation Paperclip (Bringing Nazi scientists to America to help develop rockets, chemical weapons, etc)
- Project Mockingbird (US Government spying on journalists)
– FBI spied on MLK
– Operation Snow White (Church of Scientology infiltrating all levels of government)
– Big Oil pushed climate change disinfo
– Big Tobacco lied about cancer
– Nayirah Testimony (Fake news about Iraq)
– #FreeBritney movement (Britney Spears basically held hostage by her family)
– US Government violated an embargo and then used the proceeds to fund a rebel group (Iran-Contra Affair)
– Bohemian Grove (Rich people gathering in the woods to do weird rituals), Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, etc

   It's insane to think that, if all of that is true, that people are capable of doing dark shit, with or without the influence of Reptilians or Greys.

[Yarco]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Yarco

   It's insane to think that, if all of that is true, that people are capable of doing dark shit, with or without the influence of Reptilians or Greys.

The best way to bury the real conspiracies is to hold the most ridiculous ones up as straw men to discredit anyone who questions any official narrative. Then all conspiracy theorists get painted with the same brush.... Oh you must believe in lizard people, flat earth, nanobots in vaccines, pizzagate, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the more outlandish conspiracy theories were specifically seeded by the CIA as a psyop just to create more confusion and infighting.

Our government (and mainstream media that works hand-in-hand with the government) is changing the definition of recession to avoid admitting we officially entered a recession today. Who knows how they're manipulating the truth on stuff that actually matters?

There are almost certainly still multiple world-changing secrets that are being kept from the public. Ie. I didn't list the fact that tons of rich and powerful people went to Epstein Island in my list above, because I can't confirm for sure what went on there, and the flight logs haven't been made public. Probably won't be made public for a couple generations, because if people knew some of the people involved it would likely shake people's faith in government officials to the point that it'd cause civil unrest.

On some level it doesn't even matter the evil stuff the elites are doing, because people are so asleep. We know for a fact all the stuff Edward Snowden told us, how the government basically stores and has access to all of your emails, phone calls, discord servers, photos, etc. And not just the metadata, the entire thing. First they lied and said it was just non-US citizens abroad, then it was US citizens in conversation with people internationally, then it was just metadata, then it was all of it. They kept getting caught in one lie after another as Snowden kept leaking more to prove they were lying. That was a big deal for all of a couple weeks, now people have all but forgotten about it and continue using all their technology, and nothing was ever done to fix it. Maybe just because nobody feels like they can fix it.

Not really THAT big of a leap from "The NSA actively listens in on me and my friend's voice chat while we play Minecraft and/or has voice recognition software actively combing through it for certain red flag words" to "aliens control the government" LOL. The former would've sounded equally tin-hat crazy a decade ago. Only in retrospect can we be like "well yeah, of course, the signs were there all along"

Edited July 28, 2022 by Yarco

[Phil777]

@Yarco Thanks for writing out this extensive list. Very insightful.

It's crazy to see it all piled up like that. Really makes you question what's underneath the tip. Cause that's the tip of the iceberg that was actually exposed.

[Johnny Galt]

An important point to consider for those who think governmental and international conspiracies are nonsense, consider that George W. Bush and John Kerry, they both went to Yale University and they were both members of skulls and bones which was a club at Yale. In 2004 they were your choices for president. In the land of the free, what are the odds? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_presidential_election

 

Many members were in politics and through out the power structure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Skull_and_Bones_members

Here's just a few

 

George H. W. Bush (1948), 41st President of the United States, 11th Director of Central Intelligence (CIA)

Jonathan James Bush (1953), banker, son of Prescott Bush

George W. Bush (1968), grandson of Prescott Bush; son of George H. W. Bush; 46th Governor of Texas; 43rd President of the United States. His nickname was "Gog".[3]: 4~3:33 

 

Charles Seymour (1908), President of Yale (1937–1951), founding member of The Council on Foreign Relations

Harold Stanley (1908), co-founder of Morgan Stanley

F. Trubee Davison (1918), WWI aviator, Assistant US Secretary of War, New York State Representative, Director of Personnel at the CIA

William Sloane Coffin (1949), CIA agent (1950–1953), clergyman and peace activist

 

Alphonso Taft (1833), U.S. Attorney General (1876–1877), Secretary of War (1876), Ambassador to Austria-Hungary(1882) and Russia (1884–1885), father of William Howard Taft[3]: 82 

William Howard Taft (1878), 27th President of the United States, Chief Justice of the United States, Secretary of War

Horace Dutton Taft (1883), educator, founder of the Taft School[38]: 14–15

Charles Phelps Taft II (1918), son of President William Howard Taft, Mayor of Cincinnati, Ohio[75]

 

Percy Rockefeller (1900), director of Brown Brothers Harriman, Standard Oil, and Remington Arms

 

 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Johnny Galt

[trenton]

3 hours ago, Yarco said:

The best way to bury the real conspiracies is to hold the most ridiculous ones up as straw men to discredit anyone who questions any official narrative. Then all conspiracy theorists get painted with the same brush.... Oh you must believe in lizard people, flat earth, nanobots in vaccines, pizzagate, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the more outlandish conspiracy theories were specifically seeded by the CIA as a psyop just to create more confusion and infighting.

I noticed that in my research about ufos. The cia intentionally stigmatized the topic by cherry picking the most insane people who believed in ufos. The goal was to minimize coverage of the topic while ensuring that anybody who believed in ufos would be painted as an idiot. Even said sahdguru is aware of this and he is afraid to say that aliens are real because he will not seem rational if he does. He instead says that the universe is too big for us to be alone. The ufo crowd was constantly laughed at and called a gay marriage movement.

Alternatively you could look at the overwhelming amount of evidence with an open mind. It is hard to get people to do this when they take their cultures programming for granted. Even my brother laughed about this topic for a while because he didn't want to believe it was true. Perhaps he was worried that people would think he was crazy. Eventually I started sharing all the evidence with my family and they find the lies of the cia very suspect.

This could easily happen for many other issues as well like psychedelics, ghosts, mystical experiences, powers, or even religion. Religion is often associated with dogmatism and black and white thinking which causes people to miss the deeper truths being pointed to. This isn't intentional like attacking conspiracy theorists, but it is a similar example of missing the truth because of a group of unreasonable people. I do see people doing this all the time in politics though when we cherry pick the most unreasonable people in order to make generalizations about how we are superior to the other side. This is why anytime someone is destroyed in a debate we need to understand that there is very little truth to that debate. It could mean that this person either made poor arguments on this particular issue or had a hard time communicating the truth because of the environment. A debate barely tells you anything from this point of view. In the case of psychedelics you will be lumped together with a hopeless drug addict who people laugh at because they don't even understand addiction to hard drugs either. They only have this stigma from thr war on drugs and we need to question how these stigmas are manufactured. 

Edited July 28, 2022 by trenton
Adding examples

[trenton]

12 minutes ago, trenton said:

I noticed that in my research about ufos. The cia intentionally stigmatized the topic by cherry picking the most insane people who believed in ufos. The goal was to minimize coverage of the topic while ensuring that anybody who believed in ufos would be painted as an idiot. Even said sahdguru is aware of this and he is afraid to say that aliens are real because he will not seem rational if he does. He instead says that the universe is too big for us to be alone. The ufo crowd was constantly laughed at and called a gay marriage movement.

Alternatively you could look at the overwhelming amount of evidence with an open mind. It is hard to get people to do this when they take their cultures programming for granted. Even my brother laughed about this topic for a while because he didn't want to believe it was true. Perhaps he was worried that people would think he was crazy. Eventually I started sharing all the evidence with my family and they find the lies of the cia very suspect.

This could easily happen for many other issues as well like psychedelics, ghosts, mystical experiences, powers, or even religion. Religion is often associated with dogmatism and black and white thinking which causes people to miss the deeper truths being pointed to. This isn't intentional like attacking conspiracy theorists, but it is a similar example of missing the truth because of a group of unreasonable people. I do see people doing this all the time in politics though when we cherry pick the most unreasonable people in order to make generalizations about how we are superior to the other side. This is why anytime someone is destroyed in a debate we need to understand that there is very little truth to that debate. It could mean that this person either made poor arguments on this particular issue or had a hard time communicating the truth because of the environment. A debate barely tells you anything from this point of view. In the case of psychedelics you will be lumped together with a hopeless drug addict who people laugh at because they don't even understand addiction to hard drugs either. They only have this stigma from thr war on drugs and we need to question how these stigmas are manufactured. 

I just realized that this is also how racism works. People will take statistics about groups they don't like and use it to make judgements about who they are. A common example is correlation between certain crimes and blackness. We could say that this is the modern attempt of framing black people as if their intelligence is closer to that of an animal. In both the context of today and yesterday these judgements failed to see the bigger picture of what social factors were actual causing these issues. This is why I am careful of people who call their girlfriend a bitch because it reinforces the stereotype that women are unreasonable and thus not worth listening to. This is part of what contributes to abusive relationships. You can also see this happening in among some climate skeptics who point out how terrified people can be to the point of eating their children. Sometimes our fears are overblown but not unfounded.

There are likely many more connections that can be made from the fact that unreasonable minorities are used to straw man the bigger group who are trying to get to the truth based off of the evidence they have. This is how humans justify being cruel to particular groups as they fail to understand the real points being made.

This is why I am skeptical of perspectives which are intended to demonize a group. At the same time I am finding a paradox in that incriminating evidence seems to demonize the cia, but that is not the goal, I want to get to the truth. 

[trenton]

@Yarco I went through the list and found a lot of crazy things. I confirmed most of them except the polio vaccines causing cancer and I don't know what the weird rituals were the rich people were doing.

I could add to the list operation freak out and others from the church of Scientology. They were legally harassing authors who were critical of them. This operation and others were exposed after operation snow white was exposed. Covert operation after covert operation was unravelled and now a lot of people don't like the church of Scientology And don't always know why. Just vaguely that they are crazy. Maybe they have spiritual trauma from a past life in which they witnessed the insanity of Scientology. This would be the ultimate plot twist if they were right about past lives.

I find it a little strange that the fbi is responsible for some conspiracies yet it is because of the fbi that we know about some of these conspiracies. The tools with which we fight corruption are themselves corrupt.