Identity after decounstruction!

[Razard86]

11 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Razard86 That video poped up in my mind actually thinking about this...i should rewatch it how did it help you find or construct your identity?

I sent the video because it can remind you how you did it yourself. Your ego is just a story you told yourself. I haven't even watched this series before but I have always intrinsically known what the ego is, the ego is your thought.

The conversation you have had your entire life is your ego. Your ego is just the narrator of all your experiences. "Man this is hot I need to get away."= Ego. "Those people are so dumb, ego.

We like to call something egotistical when it involves things like pride, jealousy, envy, gluttony, but the truth is everything is ego. There has never been anything but ego. The problem is when we identity with the voice we think it is attached to this body. 

If your whole life you never had the ability to think and you walked near a chair and thought entered your experience you would eventually identify with the chair being you. Your ego is your self, the trick is understanding everything is self not just your body. To reverse this process, just focus on the body as separate and point to things around you and call them separate. Tell yourself the lies enough and they will become true. Because the truth does not exist outside of you, you are the ONLY THING that is true.

If you say you are separate then it is true.

[Rob06]

11 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

I have spent almost a decade deconstructing ego and basically everything in between ?...

That left me with not very developed identity which makes you not have a real compas in your life so having solid one is really important...

Tough to present yourself to others so they can see who you are etc.

My queastion is for people who found themselves as ego....

How did you find who you are?

What components does identity structure has?

Any pointers for information or how to go about building an identity?

If someone has big picture overview would be awesome!

Where to start from? the self image or what? it feels like overwhelming task to map or create ?

 

 

Seems to me that you can pretty much build yourself from the ground up, and create an identity you like. Although you may also just have a "natural" way of being, as an ego, in relationship to the world and others.

Who were you as an ego before you deconstructed your ego?

I remember from the book Enlightenment, The Damnedest Thing from McKenna that he just picked up the shell of his ego again after having deconstructed it and just going with that, even though he knew it was an illusion.

[NoSelfSelf]

@puporingBeing a shapeshifter means you are a follwer,you will end up doing and believing in things based on which situation you are in just having existence for existence sake i dont see point in it...

[NoSelfSelf]

@Razard86 i want my own identity so i dont talk about absolute truths in everything its weird...i could ask about how to make a tea and 10 people here will tell me tea? Tea is just an extencion of you you have already made it because you are infinity i mean its like brainwashed cult member speaking...

[NoSelfSelf]

@Rob06 True to make it, i want to know the structure of its design so i can backwards engeneer it...

I was arrogant, loud,outspoken child that got in many trouble with authority not really smart ?

[Nilsi]

31 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@puporingBeing a shapeshifter means you are a follwer,you will end up doing and believing in things based on which situation you are in just having existence for existence sake i dont see point in it...

Being a shapeshifter means being selfless and getting out of your own way, so you can express yourself freely and spontaneously and be in a healthy relationship with your environment. Existence is not a means to an end, it's an end in itself.

[NoSelfSelf]

@Nilsi dont see where i asked you for your opinion on that?you are just spitting your agenda from your identity hope it works for you i dont even wanna go in whats healthy relationship with enviroment ? being spineless and walked all over by being selfless im not on that level of development...

[Nilsi]

7 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Nilsi dont see where i asked you for your opinion on that?you are just spitting your agenda from your identity hope it works for you i dont even wanna go in whats healthy relationship with enviroment ? being spineless and walked all over by being selfless im not on that level of development...

I figured since you made a post you would want to get an answer. If your conception of having a spine is being a de-gen, alienated from everything and everyone, then noone can help you. I'm just trying to give you a more positive outlook on life, that's my only agenda here.

Edited July 26, 2022 by Nilsi

[NoSelfSelf]

@Nilsi Thats the whole point of this thread,you want me to think like you and you dont want to give the answers i told you to give me by answering my queastions in the thread...you are not helping me because your advice is for you not for me...it seems you dont see this trap thats why grounding myself in my identity i can pick the advice for my journey and not just taking others povs and not having my own so in the end i end up nowhere because im not growing on my individual path! There is no one fit all advice and one journey one way ! And you just said i dont have positive outlook on life like you know me ?

[Nilsi]

1 hour ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Nilsi Thats the whole point of this thread,you want me to think like you and you dont want to give the answers i told you to give me by answering my queastions in the thread...you are not helping me because your advice is for you not for me...it seems you dont see this trap thats why grounding myself in my identity i can pick the advice for my journey and not just taking others povs and not having my own so in the end i end up nowhere because im not growing on my individual path! There is no one fit all advice and one journey one way ! And you just said i dont have positive outlook on life like you know me ?

“If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.”

[NoSelfSelf]

@Nilsi dont talk to me again ?

[integral]

is the issue that you've created A spiritual ego that's so strong you can't interact with normal people anymore?  sounds like you're an alien just came to earth and are trying to figure out what this ego thing is all about. @NoSelfSelf

[A Fellow Lighter]

Hi @NoSelfSelf , interesting username by the way.

The question of identity is vastly encompassing.. meaning it has to do with a lot in one's life.. things like ethics, morals and ambitions. So although you're saying that you are left with not a very developed identity, I really find that hard to believe unless you a child as young as a toddler.

Here's the thing, when it comes to identity your mind cannot take anything else more seriously. A person with no identity will even refrain from speaking much.. just until s/he has a sense of who s/he is. All this simply because one's identity speaks to what one is willing to align oneself with in life. It's a matter of self recognition. How do you identify yourself in the world, among other people and other things? 

You asked what the components of an identity structure is. It's really just one. People are more willing to identify themselves according to their aspirations in life - the identity is more of a title they'd like to earn rather than a name to be referred by. People rarely identify themselves with a past, their egos are always future orientated. 

Take your username for example. It already describes the kind of stuff you're into, the model of yourself that you're aspiring towards. Although others may not understand it, this is hardly the point. It's not for others to understand, but only for you and you alone. Your connection with what you've identified yourself with is rather a personal one and intimate one. So if I was you, I wouldn't worry as much as how I were to present myself to the public than I would about how to develop and self-actualise.

So your concern, it would seem, isn't really about your identity as much as it would be about the quality of your identity. When the quality of our compass (the identity) suddenly seems lacking and grey, we tend to ask questions such as yours in attempt to give it colour as means to making the compass a little bit more clearer - more colourful and concise.

So @NoSelfSelf trust me when I tell you that you do, in fact, have a developed identity. And what you're really asking.. is how to develop it even more.. how to self-actualise. 

On 25/07/2022 at 7:59 PM, NoSelfSelf said:

Where to start from? the self image or what? it feels like overwhelming task to map or create ?

Start from your heart, start with what resonates with you. Although, I can assure you, this wouldn't be the beginning of anything other than maybe your self confidence. Trust yourself a little more and you will feel like you've known who you are for the longest of time ?

[NoSelfSelf]

@A Fellow Lighter First thanks for adressing my queastions...

Well i learned alot from last typing here..

I figured that identity is so important to define because it shows you how to respond to situations how to behave and stay on course to what you want!

I dont speak much yes if im not with phylosophicaly minded individuals....

First have to define myself before i can look to grow in self actualizing way?

Im defining myself then standing behinde that with appropriate actions thats identity basically imo...

[Razard86]

On 7/26/2022 at 3:31 AM, NoSelfSelf said:

@Razard86 i want my own identity so i dont talk about absolute truths in everything its weird...i could ask about how to make a tea and 10 people here will tell me tea? Tea is just an extencion of you you have already made it because you are infinity i mean its like brainwashed cult member speaking...

You said you want your own identity...you have one right now. Spirituality is about transcending identity. Even if you deconstruct your mind you still have an identity if you didn't have one you would literally be God at this very moment. Identity IS FORM. So how can you be a form and have no identity? So you have one right now!

The Spiritual Path is about transcendence, this means you are NOT bound by any identity and can ADAPT to any situation. This also means you are able to see from many perspectives and see clearly (insight) into what is most needed at any given moment while also seeing into the future (foresight) into how it all fits together.

So you will always have identity, but you do not have to be bound to it.

[Nilsi]

5 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@A Fellow Lighter First thanks for adressing my queastions...

Well i learned alot from last typing here..

I figured that identity is so important to define because it shows you how to respond to situations how to behave and stay on course to what you want!

I dont speak much yes if im not with phylosophicaly minded individuals....

First have to define myself before i can look to grow in self actualizing way?

Im defining myself then standing behinde that with appropriate actions thats identity basically imo...

It's kind of a virtuous cycle between identity and action, so you shouldn't wait until you have some definition of yourself to work on yourself, do both and they will both feed back into each other.

[mrPixel]

You construct your identity by crafting a healthy and meaningful lifestyle. Develop good habits, make quality friends, and go after a career that you don't mind engaging with daily.

A good psychologist can really help in this area. You need to get clear on what you want and make it happen

This response may get lost in the haystack here but it really helps to have someone walking with you down the path to an authentic life.

Your identify is a product of what I'm describing.

[BipolarGrowth]

Picture the life you’d most want to live and you can use this as a guide to think of what identity to move toward to bring that life into experience. Cultivating desire is a good way to bring about a certain identity.