How do people become an avatar with godly powers?

[Michal__]

The reason classic magick works is because it subtly forces you to decide that it'll work.

Read Advanced magick for beginners by Alan Chapman.

"...subtly forces you to decide that it'll work"

You will be limited by your state of consciousness - but even ordinary states can easily cause serious changes to reality.

[JuliusCaesar]

7 hours ago, Dumuzzi said:

Then you don't understand the meaning of avatar. An avatar is when a specific God decides to be born as a human. Vishnu is the best known as he has 10 avatars, one of them still to come (Kalki). In Christianity, Jesus is arguably an avatar. The point is, avatars are extremely rare, they might come along once a millennium or so. Anybody who is claimed to be an avatar today, probably isn't. Avatars display miraculous powers from the day they are born.

The two of you are using different definitions of the word avatar it would seem.

[Dumuzzi]

@JuliusCaesar From Wikipedia:
 

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Avatar means "descent, alight, to make one's appearance",[3] and refers to the embodiment of the essence of a superhuman being or a deity in another form.

The concept of avatar within Hinduism is most often associated with Vishnu, the preserver or sustainer aspect of God within the Hindu Trinity or Trimurti of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Vishnu's avatars descend to empower the good and fight evil, thereby restoring Dharma. Traditional Hindus see themselves not as "Hindu", but as Vaishnava (Worshippers of Vishnu), Shaiva (Worshippers of Shiva), or Shakta (Worshipper of the Shakti). Each of the deities has its own iconography and mythology, but common to all is the fact that the divine reality has an explicit form, a form that the worshipper can behold

Incarnation concepts that are in some aspects similar to avatar are also found in Buddhism,[17] Christianity,[5] and other religions.[17]

The theological concept of Christ as an incarnation, as found in Christology, presents the Christian concept of incarnation.

 

So, as you can see Avatar is essentially a god deciding to incarnate in a human form. Any human that does not display god-like powers, yet claims to be an avatar is just a blasphemer and a poser. 

Edited July 22, 2022 by Dumuzzi

[JuliusCaesar]

14 hours ago, Dumuzzi said:

@JuliusCaesar From Wikipedia:
 

So, as you can see Avatar is essentially a god deciding to incarnate in a human form. Any human that does not display god-like powers, yet claims to be an avatar is just a blasphemer and a poser. 

You've demonstrated that my assertion is correct because under the definition the OP is using every living human irrespective of whether they have extraordinary powers or not would qualify. Leo often uses the OP's definition also, because Leo realizes that humans are just the highest God hallucinating that it's a human.

[Michael Jackson]

@Jowblob why are you always creating such foolish topics lmao???

[Michael Jackson]

On 20.7.2022 at 11:37 PM, Phil777 said:

@Jowblob You are manic bro...

Unfortunataly this is true.

[JuliusCaesar]

@Phil777 and @Michael Jackson  From the perspective of any normal person, the two of you are insane also. As well as Leo, myself, and a great majority of the people here would if we made our views public, be considered psychotic as well. And just as Galileo was thought a fool and idiot by most intellectuals in his day, so would many of today's scientists would think of Leo if they knew his views.

 

 

@Jowblob It seems that with this post, you're touching on a subject for which many here are not ready.

 

 

On 7/20/2022 at 2:42 PM, Jowblob said:

Watch this video of people describing the stuff he did, there are 10s of videos like that where he does he miracles on purpose.It's not just epiphenomena , it seems the miracles he did are on purpose with a lesson attached to it. And he really seems like a god. Leo's explanation isn't enough, the questions is: Why he is capable of doing it and me not? Why do i have to suffer by working every week 60 hours? My friend said these avatars are necessary in our life otherwise everyone would go crazy

 

It isn't so much that he can do these things because he's a god and you're an ordinary mortal(though there's some validity to such a notion). It's that you're capable of moving beyond your human limitations because they're imagined by you. Using some manner of imaginary mechanism to do so. The ways forward for one such as yourself are many. And you know exactly which one is best, because you know all things. The problem is that you don't know that you know.

 

 

[Dumuzzi]

@JuliusCaesar The misunderstanding here comes from the failure to distinguish between God and god.

Yes, we are all extension, or points of view of God manifesting itself, but we're not all gods.

From our human perspective, gods are either powerful cosmic beings, the personification of vast forces of nature, or higher-dimensional life forms that are more powerful, wise and evolved than we are. To take examples from science fiction, the Q of Star Trek or the ascended ancients of the Stargate Saga would be good examples of what we're dealing with here. That is why real avatars have special powers from birth, technically they're not even human.

[JuliusCaesar]

46 minutes ago, Dumuzzi said:

The misunderstanding here comes from the failure to distinguish between God and god.

I accept your definitions, though I can't speak for others. And of course, when speaking with them it seems best to use their definitions of words however they may be.

 

And just as a side note, just as all humans are God in human form, so the same is true of all the gods. So on that basis, there's the possibility of people still using the definition of Avatar you're not using, even in accordance with your own definition in spite of the apparent contradiction.

47 minutes ago, Dumuzzi said:

That is why real avatars have special powers from birth, technically they're not even human.

Well sure to some extent, however, this seems to potentially imply that you believe there's no way for humans to evolve into gods, which isn't necessarily an accurate representation of your views. As I imagine that, though you may not be conscious of such a thing, you're probably at least wise enough to realize that you couldn't possibly know that such a thing doesn't exist, not unless you know absolutely everything about human possibility, which then you wouldn't have human limitations, and we probably couldn't even call you human anymore since to be human is not to be omniscient in any sense. Besides where we define everything as being limited to everything you know as a human. Kind of like saying humans are omnivorous, even though there exist a great many things they cannot consume like planets and black holes for instance.

[RMQualtrough]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xd6SFqRGQow

[Dumuzzi]

@JuliusCaesar Again, gods are much higher, more evolved forms of life, just as we are more evolved and higher forms than cockroaches.

All of us are reflection of the divine and we have that divine spark within and a potentiality to return to source consciousness, however we are not the same, not on the same level. Perhaps it is easier to think of gods as very advanced aliens, to wrap your head around the concept of an avatar. For instance, Vishnu lives on the planet known as Vaikuntha, which is inhabited by beings that are vaguely humanoid, but have blue skin and four arms. There are descriptions of Vaikuntha in the Puranas. Vishnu's main Avatar, Krishna, also had blue skin like his four-armed form and had incredible magical powers even as an infant. In this sense, you can think of an Avatar as a human-alien hybrid. I hope that makes more sense now.

[Jowblob]

Watch this video guys , about ascended masters. I think there is some truth in it. Very interesting

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKNwqlDX_l4

 

[Razard86]

On 7/20/2022 at 4:06 PM, CuriousityIsKey said:

Didn't Jesus say about disbelieving people about his power, "oh you little of faith"?

 

And didn't Jesus also tell that those who have a grain of faith could say to the mountains jump into water and it would?

Do you Jesus just want to show off his powers,  or he wanted to show others of little faith, what is possible if one believes? Huh?

Jesus was telling them they were god. https://biblehub.com/john/10-34.htm

Literally what Leo is doing right now. Leo is doing the same thing Jesus was doing, except the whole hanging out with the poor, sick and elderly and getting crucified and having a whole cult created about his life called Christianity.

[JuliusCaesar]

8 hours ago, Dumuzzi said:

I hope that makes more sense now.

No explanation is necessary, the things you've said already made sense to me before you wrote them.

 

8 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Jesus was telling them they were god.

But almost no one understood him, and the establishment hated him for his selfless tendencies.

 

8 hours ago, Razard86 said:

having a whole cult created about his life called Christianity.

And ironically, that was from a purely secular perspective the most successful part of his life, we're still talking about him 2000 years later.