Mystical Curses Are Real (Be Careful)

[Proserpina]

21 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

The one thing I do know and you agree is that your reality is filtered through your beliefs. I'm just showing the OP that if people can heal themselves with belief, they can curse themselves as well. I also showed that a quote on quote healer cannot heal you against your will. So what is the common denominator with healing? Your belief. If that wasn't a sign that you are God....I don't know what else is.....

I do agree but it's not that simple.  There are other factors.  If you don't take into account these factors and be open to other causes you'll be taken on a ride.  You have to take into account useful angles to consider.  Openness was my most helpful quality.  A cursed object can be many things: a warning, a concentrated opportunity to heal the collective, a possessed object -- something to be isolated.  If you treat it from one angle only you potentially see reality from a very narrow and scewed way and then can't act in the best interests of everyone. 

Edited July 20, 2022 by Proserpina

[Razard86]

13 minutes ago, Proserpina said:

I do agree but it's not that simple.  There are other factors.  If you don't take into account these factors and be open to other causes you'll be taken on a ride.  You have to take into account useful angles to consider.  Openness was my most helpful quality.  A cursed object can be many things: a warning, a concentrated opportunity to heal the collective, a possessed object -- something to be isolated.  If you treat it from one angle only you potentially see reality from a very narrow and scewed way and then can't act in the best interests of everyone. 

You know I love you but that's the point I'm saying reality literally works off your identity. You can be too open as well. Watch this video by Mooji, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qsI92OCg4I

 

once you take something on and put your attention on it you can give it power. There is nothing more powerful than you. Nothing. 

That is the whole point of the Spiritual Path, that is what psychedelics teach. Notice this one thing, everything you been through...you are still here. So where is the danger? People who have had the worst bad trips ever, some people basically got transported to Hell. I remember Leo said he heard someone got strapped to a chair and was tortured. Guess....what? They are still here. We only suffer our perception of an event. 

Pain is a sense of the body, and pain is an emotional fear. Notice they come and go. This means they are not permanent but impermanent. How can something that comes and goes, be greater than the source it arises from which never comes and goes but is always there? 

The problem is we get lost in those sensations....and then when it leaves...we think about when it will come back thus creating the sensation again. We can do this for eternity.

This is why I say you are always in control, even when you believe you are not. Why? Because you are always here...always.

Edited July 20, 2022 by Razard86

[Leo Gura]

44 minutes ago, JuliusCaesar said:

there is such a thing you could call cursology which could even be defined as logical, and even physical to some degree. Operating under certain laws and within which there are predictable patterns.

Not in my reality. Maybe in yours.

[Proserpina]

25 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

You know I love you but that's the point I'm saying reality literally works off your identity. You can be too open as well. Watch this video by Mooji, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qsI92OCg4I

 

once you take something on and put your attention on it you can give it power. There is nothing more powerful than you. Nothing. 

That is the whole point of the Spiritual Path, that is what psychedelics teach. Notice this one thing, everything you been through...you are still here. So where is the danger? People who have had the worst bad trips ever, some people basically got transported to Hell. I remember Leo said he heard someone got strapped to a chair and was tortured. Guess....what? They are still here. We only suffer our perception of an event. 

Pain is a sense of the body, and pain is an emotional fear. Notice they come and go. This means they are not permanent but impermanent. How can something that comes and goes, be greater than the source it arises from which never comes and goes but is always there? 

The problem is we get lost in those sensations....and then when it leaves...we think about when it will come back thus creating the sensation again. We can do this for eternity.

This is why I say you are always in control, even when you believe you are not. Why? Because you are always here...always.

These words are nice and all but when you are actually in the situation where you are sensing hellish phenomena it's best to take many approaches.  I was taught to physically remove myself from a situation for example even though the light can overcome everything.  I would remove objects, absorb energy,  take in useful information (warnings, premonitions etc.) that I would otherwise have discounted if I assumed the light to be more powerful than anything else.  This phenomena can be exceptionally sticky, so why not take as many approaches and perspectives as possible. 

Edited July 20, 2022 by Proserpina

[JuliusCaesar]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Not in my reality. Maybe in yours.

Alright, well just consider the possibility then, that because there are powerful entities that exist in this shared dream. That it's also possible for them to bring form to essentially any desire(we're talking in consensus reality here, not necessarily just a personal one). Including malicious ones. And as such, there's then a whole science which arises from this, though one even I admittedly have only scratched the surface of. In part because I don't much care for negative things like curses. I'd prefer to study more positive examples of paranormal phenomena. At the same time, however, I'm aware of distortions that you could call universal laws here, as they seem to be at play in all occurrences of this nature. And ultimately, it's clear to me these "laws" are just distortions of the actual reality of oneness anyway.

[Razard86]

6 minutes ago, Proserpina said:

These words are nice and all but when you are actually in the situation where you are sensing hellish phenomena it's best to take many approaches.  I was taught to physically remove myself from a situation for example even though the light can overcome everything.  I would remove objects, absorb energy,  take in useful information (warnings, premonitions etc.) that I would otherwise have discounted if I assumed the light to be more powerful than anything else.  This phenomena can be exceptionally sticky, so why not take as many approaches and perspectives as possible. 

Well I'll just say this, take on the beliefs that serve you. That is the highest teaching. When I say serve you I mean beliefs that empower you the most. If you believe this perspective serves you the most and empowers you the most who am I to tell you any different? Thank you for sharing.

Edited July 20, 2022 by Razard86

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, JuliusCaesar said:

there are powerful entities that exist in this shared dream.

None as powerful as you.

[JuliusCaesar]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

None as powerful as you.

They are me.

[Proserpina]

The light is more powerful but you have to take a holistic approach.  Entities do not enjoy being burnt/healed too severely.  If you dissolve beliefs too quickly other beliefs will crop up and can be disabling -- I wasn't able to eat for example (food would taste bad when I would apply light too strongly).  There has to be a middle way. 

There are nuances to this stuff.  

Edited July 20, 2022 by Proserpina

[Heart of Space]

3 hours ago, Razard86 said:

I've had experiences of seeing visions and my third eye opening, I've experienced healing, I've even experienced some of what you are talking about as far as things seeming to happen like events etc. 

The point is your beliefs influence the reality you experience. If all of life is an illusion, that means all of my experiences are an illusion. Even New Age Spirituality admits that this life is an illusion. So that means....all those gifts are an illusion. 

Its no different than all of us playing an open world game and we each have different abilites....in the end all an illusion when you put the controller down and walk away from the screen.

Nothing is happening. The End. 

Again even if we don't go that deep. I just told you people can heal with their beliefs, R.J. Spina did it, Joe Dispenza did it, and many more. So on a relative level there is PROOF that your identity has the ability to change said reality. So how do you believe that would work in the opposite? If you can heal yourself with belief, OBVIOUSLY you can curse yourself. Your denial....is sadly...comical at this point. You don't want help you want attention.

Okay, so if I told you the exact day your mother was going die and specific events that followed.  And everything I said came true.  How would you interpret that?  I'm just curious.  
 

Also, you're attributing things to me that you can't know, stop doing that.  And why are you being insulting?  That's entirely unhelpful and unnecessary.  It only detracts from how seriously one might take you when you're telling me that I'm an attention whore and painting me with other negative attributes.  It's like you're upset that I don't agree with you about my own experience?  

Edited July 20, 2022 by Heart of Space

[Heart of Space]

Just for the record prior to any mystical experience I had zero belief and MAXIMUM skepticism.  I came from the Richard Dawkins/Sam Harris style scientific atheism.  I had no belief in curses/magic/mysticism of any sort.  

At best I believed that you may be able to eradicate your suffering or have states of some psychological God realization that was well possible within the scientific paradigm.  Basically, I was looking at everything from a materialist atheist point of view.  And then BAM I'm cursed and literally experiencing magic.  Yea, I'm not crazy, mentally ill, mentally unstable, a cook, interpreting reality to sound spooky, or anything of that nature.  

I'm a normal seeming guy, who's highly intelligent, who is highly successful (not lying), and am even successful with the ladies.  My god guys, I'm literally a normal western materialist that got my ass handed to me by a curse with zero belief prior.  That literally happened.  Like genuine magical knowledge of the future.  I don't know if you people quite comprehending what I'm saying.  

This isn't' some make believe post where I'm just making up spooky tales because it's fun.  Nor is it a schizophrenic fantasy.

I am an intellectual person, who is extremely normal appearing in real life.  Highly intelligent, highly respectable, yet experience magic.   The stuff I'm talking about is is real, and I get the vibe of mostly dismissiveness.  I almost would like to just make a video, but I don't want to attach my real identity to these posts as I have a career and life to keep safe from people thinking I'm a weirdo.  

Edited July 20, 2022 by Heart of Space

[Nilsi]

12 minutes ago, Heart of Space said:

Okay, so if I told you the exact day your mother was going die and specific events that followed.  And everything I said came true.  How would you interpret that?  I'm just curious.  

What good would that be? You obviously don't seem to enjoy your abilities or siddhis or whatever you might feel appropriate to call it, so why don't you just not engage with that for a while and find something you actually enjoy doing?

[Heart of Space]

4 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

What good would that be? You obviously don't seem to enjoy your abilities or siddhis or whatever you might feel appropriate to call it, so why don't you just not engage with that for a while and find something you actually enjoy doing?

I mean it's pretty interesting and cool to get foreknowledge of the future.  So I guess that's enjoyment on some level.  The problem is everything else that comes with it, basically profound psychological torture at times?  That's what I really don't enjoy.  I'll take the magical super powers any day of the week, but if it comes with the curse like properties I'd throw those abilities down the fucking drain in two seconds.  

[amanen]

9 hours ago, Heart of Space said:

I'll put it this way.  That is an interpretation of my mind.  But it takes the form of what would be very reasonable to consider a curse.  

But again it's not always in the form of a curse.  

I have also been to a mystical level of hell.  I mean true supernatural levels of suffering and hell.  Some things the curse does is pithy and minute, but it has done some extraordinarily intense tortuous things to me too.  This is a very real and serious phenomenon, I'd to emphasize that.  

Don't stop there. I have been in intense bad trips that felt like I was being tortured for infinitely long times feeling unimaginable levels of suffering and even had some trauma from that for years.

But I later realized all of that happened due to my own resistance, and that there is nobody else to make you feel bad, because you are God. When you realize yourself as God you cannot attribute your suffering to anybody else. You have to take full responsibility for it.

And when you fully realize yourself as God, there is nothing as euphoric and ecstatic and freeing in this world.

 

As for your magic experiences, why do you take it so seriously?

It's your attitude and interpretation of horror towards anything breaking the dream that makes it seem negative.

This is just a dream, you don't need to be so invested in it. I've also had plenty of experiences with mind over matter phenomena (as an example instantly materializing objects, telepathy, clairvoyance, pyrokinesis, and far more) And they dont in any way affect my normal functioning or my day to day life.

Edited July 20, 2022 by amanen

[Heart of Space]

@amanenThank you for your post, I appreciate your thoughts, genuinely.  

[Nilsi]

7 minutes ago, Heart of Space said:

I mean it's pretty interesting and cool to get foreknowledge of the future.  So I guess that's enjoyment on some level.  The problem is everything else that comes with it, basically profound psychological torture at times?  That's what I really don't enjoy.  I'll take the magical super powers any day of the week, but if it comes with the curse like properties I'd throw those abilities down the fucking drain in two seconds.  

Well that's just what is is though, there is always a tradeoff, why do you think the greatest mystics were not engaging with siddhis? It's just not a very wise pursuit.

[Heart of Space]

14 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Well that's just what is is though, there is always a tradeoff, why do you think the greatest mystics were not engaging with siddhis? It's just not a very wise pursuit.

Yea, that's been a concern too.  I've definitely heard many times that supernatural powers are an aside and should not be pursued.  At best they're a distraction.  

I pray a lot and set an intention of purity, whatever form that may take.  I also try to fully let go my desire for this power of clairvoyance.  Like I try to be at peace with not having it and I feel like I mostly am.  

Good post, thanks for thought and reminding me of something important.  

Edited July 20, 2022 by Heart of Space

[Nilsi]

1 minute ago, Heart of Space said:

Yea, that's been a concern too.  I've definitely heard many times that supernatural powers are an aside and should not be pursued.  At best they're a distraction.  

I pray a lot and set an intention of purity, whatever form that may take.  I also try to fully let go my desire for this power of clairvoyance.  Like I try to be at peace with not having it and I feel like I mostly am.  

Good post, thanks for thought and reminding me of something important.  

Everyones path is unique and I think that's beautiful and should be honored, so just follow what you feel is right for you and is in alignment with your highest values and dharma

[Razard86]

46 minutes ago, Heart of Space said:

Okay, so if I told you the exact day your mother was going die and specific events that followed.  And everything I said came true.  How would you interpret that?  I'm just curious.  
 

Also, you're attributing things to me that you can't know, stop doing that.  And why are you being insulting?  That's entirely unhelpful and unnecessary.  It only detracts from how seriously one might take you when you're telling me that I'm an attention whore and painting me with other negative attributes.  It's like you're upset that I don't agree with you about my own experience?  

1. I wouldn't care if you could tell the future I've done that too.

2. I'm not being insulting, insulting is a feeling you create. You can get insulted by anything. If a person whispers in someone's ears you can assume they are talking bad about you. One person can make a joke about someone and they don't get insulted, you can do it to another and they get insulted. What's the difference? One created the feeling of being insulted while the other didn't. You have always created your experience and you always will.

3. Its not that I'm upset that you don't agree. I don't like people torturing themselves and then denying that they are doing it. Its a bias of mine. When you desire to seek the truth, you have a bias against delusion. So the issue I have is with myself not you. You see? The truth is you only ever have a problem with yourself. The difference is I can admit this to myself but you cannot admit it to yourself. 

[Heart of Space]

5 hours ago, Razard86 said:

1. I wouldn't care if you could tell the future I've done that too.

2. I'm not being insulting, insulting is a feeling you create. You can get insulted by anything. If a person whispers in someone's ears you can assume they are talking bad about you. One person can make a joke about someone and they don't get insulted, you can do it to another and they get insulted. What's the difference? One created the feeling of being insulted while the other didn't. You have always created your experience and you always will.

3. Its not that I'm upset that you don't agree. I don't like people torturing themselves and then denying that they are doing it. Its a bias of mine. When you desire to seek the truth, you have a bias against delusion. So the issue I have is with myself not you. You see? The truth is you only ever have a problem with yourself. The difference is I can admit this to myself but you cannot admit it to yourself. 

You said my post was comical, implying you were laughing at me from a place of superior understanding.  Insulting just seems like an accurate descriptor, we don't have to get lost in the minutia of the nature of the mind and its tendency of projecting meaning onto reality in order to call something Insulting.

If someone called you an idiot it is appropriate to say that's insulting.

You aren't confucius, dawg, sometimes a spade is just a spade.  You can basically discredit everyone by saying that all meaning is created by the mind, but then why even communicate?  

Edited July 20, 2022 by Heart of Space