My thoughts about Leo's recent video

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, AMTO said:

@Leo Gura How does it feels to be 40 ?

Ask me in 3 years.

[AtheisticNonduality]

58 minutes ago, JuliusCaesar said:

434 said that he once killed a machine elf.

Leo last committed a comment 44 minutes ago, seen on my screen. I am 444. Explain this "434" person.

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This "physical reality" is a dream, and as such it's possible for certain sentient beings to bring it under the control of their consciousness. As such there can be and are alien entities that are more powerful than humanity currently is, and who are capable of doing this.

The dream also has physical laws.

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To be candid, I'd probably prefer it if you didn't. If the whole world besides me were exactly like this, then I'd get to become the only human beyond the limitations of possibility for ordinary mortals. Also, until you can prove the things I'm claiming in your direct experience, it's probably best if you don't believe them.

But you understand that if you make claims about altering/reprogramming your nervous system, higher levels of awareness having supernatural aspects, and certain entities literally manifesting themselves as lower lives like plants, there should be a standard of evidence or at least a proper pointer for elucidating this.

Is there something dark and archetypically identical across anticholinergics, like "a goddess dominatrix that fills you with darkness" or "shadow people roaming around my room" or "my dead best friend having conversations with me while I've forgotten he's dead" or "thousands of spiders falling from the ceiling" and such? Yes, but I don't see how you literally ascribe that to the agency of an autonomously sentient supernatural entity and not some internal realm in the mind-body activated by an external chemical.

[JuliusCaesar]

16 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

Leo last committed a comment 44 minutes ago, seen on my screen. I am 444. Explain this "434" person.

 

16 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

The dream also has physical laws.

It's more accurate to call them mental laws, which are distortions of the law that states that all things, all beings, are one.

 

17 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

But you understand that if you make claims about altering/reprogramming your nervous system, higher levels of awareness having supernatural aspects, and certain entities literally manifesting themselves as lower lives like plants, there should be a standard of evidence or at least a proper pointer for elucidating this.

There is a standard of evidence I'm following, it's direct experience. I know that probably sounds overly simplistic to you, but it isn't. And unfortunately, I can't like Leo just tell you to use my methodology. Because that involved me personally ingesting Datura, which as I've told you is nearly always a fool's errand.

 

18 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

Is there something dark and archetypically identical across anticholinergics, like "a goddess dominatrix that fills you with darkness"

While that's an interesting theory, psychedelics, like everything that exists are created by our mind. Therefore, it isn't logically necessary that there be such a connection between archetypal beings and these substances. We imagine(though you as a human are not conscious of it at this spacetime) that they are more highly evolved sentient beings inhabiting foreign planets. The fact that we also imagine that some of them have made themselves into earth-bound plants so as to give us a foothold into their worlds has no direct causal link to the actual chemical constituency of the plant matter in question.

 

At the same time however, due to the mental rules present here that permit mind altering chemicals to function in humans much as neurobiologists expect. If we isolate these substances from the plants and gave them to a human they'd produce some similar effects. This however, is not likely to work as a means of establishing a means of interaction/communication with these same alien entities as eating their plants would. As the reason these beings are experienced is because they've by their own power infused themselves into the Earth this way. Likewise when you eat them, they become a part of you, and you a part of them even if only temporarily as is often the case in low dose usage.

 

 

31 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

or "shadow people roaming around my room" or "my dead best friend having conversations with me while I've forgotten he's dead" or "thousands of spiders falling from the ceiling" and such?

You're stuck with a limit I had for a long time early in my studies of her(Datura). In that, I read trip reports from westerners using her on a recreational basis. When you study Datura's use by Amerindian Shamans and even sometimes their laypeople, however, it starts to become clear that there's a better way of doing Datura(you still shouldn't do it anyway for the reasons I've cited already but that's beside the point). I noticed that the tribes such as the Yaqui who don't practice fasting prior to ingestion have hellish experiences and suffer a powerful deleterious impact on their physical vehicle. In spite of this, they've somehow developed a highly complex methodology that's still effective in conquering her power.

 

Many other tribes however, like specifically the Chumash of Northern California. Fast for a duration of not less than 21 days prior to ingestion. And the deleterious impact she has on the Yaqui they've been safe from. The Chumash have managed to see into the future of consensus reality with her, as well as many other very radical things. They also have managed to do magickal healings on an emergency use basis(little to no fasting prior) and to counteract/determine whether or not things they superstitiously interpreted to be bad omens truly were so(and it's common that they discover they were wrong). In such emergencies, the same danger is present here faced by the Yaqui. That the anticholingerics competing with choline for receptors tends to produce some nasty effects(humans derive their acetylcholine from food). Those being forced apoptosis en masse from nearly every organ in the body, and powerful delusions we in the west call schizophrenia. The schizophrenia is temporary, and only experienced if the entity remains awake. If they sleep while under the influence which the Chumash always do, then they don't experience such illusions.

 

[AtheisticNonduality]

22 minutes ago, JuliusCaesar said:

It's more accurate to call them mental laws, which are distortions of the law that states that all things, all beings, are one.

Physical, vital, mental, soulful and Spirit laws.

Not all things are reducible to the mind.

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There is a standard of evidence I'm following, it's direct experience. I know that probably sounds overly simplistic to you, but it isn't. And unfortunately, I can't like Leo just tell you to use my methodology. Because that involved me personally ingesting Datura, which as I've told you is nearly always a fool's errand.

The same direct experience may have multiple, even infinite, interpretations. A direct experience, through a suitable interpretation, should be explicable through logic. What makes these entities actually existent and not just images? What is the system like, and how does that correlate with other phenomena that are already well established? Because if you do answer that, there's a greater chance of real "causality" or understanding through "consensus reality" rather than just a single alone mental interpretation.

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At the same time however, due to the mental rules present here that permit mind altering chemicals to function in humans much as neurobiologists expect. If we isolate these substances from the plants and gave them to a human they'd produce some similar effects. This however, is not likely to work as a means of establishing a means of interaction/communication with these same alien entities as eating their plants would. As the reason these beings are experienced is because they've by their own power infused themselves into the Earth this way. Likewise when you eat them, they become a part of you, and you a part of them even if only temporarily as is often the case in low dose usage.

For me anyway, these hyper-intelligences should only exist in the greater complexity of the human subconscious and superconscious. It seems less reasonable for them to exist in plant bodies, which are simpler and at a lower gradient of development structurally (if we map evolution from matter to basic life to complex life to mind to what's above mind, what's above mind possibly hinting or hidden in the lower levels but more probably the highest levels).

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You're stuck with a limit I had for a long time early in my studies of her(Datura). In that, I read trip reports from westerners using her on a recreational basis. When you study Datura's use by Amerindian Shamans and even sometimes their laypeople, however, it starts to become clear that there's a better way of doing Datura(you still shouldn't do it anyway for the reasons I've cited already but that's beside the point). I noticed that the tribes such as the Yaqui who don't practice fasting prior to ingestion have hellish experiences and suffer a powerful deleterious impact on their physical vehicle. In spite of this, they've somehow developed a highly complex methodology that's still effective in conquering her power.

Would you care to elaborate on this? You don't see shadows and spiders like standard Westerners? You don't smoke imaginary cigarettes or drink imaginary glasses of water (probably images based on cravings since anticholinergics have the opposite effects that nicotinic drugs have and are extremely dehydrating)?

I assume you do it while asleep, modeling the Chumash. Do your dreams have a red haze or blanket over them? What's the protocol?

[RMQualtrough]

28 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

Physical, vital, mental, soulful and Spirit laws.

Not all things are reducible to the mind.

The same direct experience may have multiple, even infinite, interpretations. A direct experience, through a suitable interpretation, should be explicable through logic. What makes these entities actually existent and not just images? What is the system like, and how does that correlate with other phenomena that are already well established? Because if you do answer that, there's a greater chance of real "causality" or understanding through "consensus reality" rather than just a single alone mental interpretation.

For me anyway, these hyper-intelligences should only exist in the greater complexity of the human subconscious and superconscious. It seems less reasonable for them to exist in plant bodies, which are simpler and at a lower gradient of development structurally (if we map evolution from matter to basic life to complex life to mind to what's above mind, what's above mind possibly hinting or hidden in the lower levels but more probably the highest levels).

Would you care to elaborate on this? You don't see shadows and spiders like standard Westerners? You don't smoke imaginary cigarettes or drink imaginary glasses of water (probably images based on cravings since anticholinergics have the opposite effects that nicotinic drugs have and are extremely dehydrating)?

I assume you do it while asleep, modeling the Chumash. Do your dreams have a red haze or blanket over them? What's the protocol?

Even non smokers hallucinate cigarettes, btw.

[JuliusCaesar]

1 hour ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

Not all things are reducible to the mind.

Consider the possibility that this may be false.

 

1 hour ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

What is the system like, and how does that correlate with other phenomena that are already well established?

Not opining on anyone else's experience. Personally, I've done what you would call paranormal things of this nature, but mostly this has not been with mind-altering substances or plants. I tire of describing the depth of most of the experiences which have formed the aspect of my worldview in question here. But a while back, I wrote a fairly succinct(well,succinct given the raw amount of information I'm trying to articulate) statement detailing it all on another forum post so I'll go ahead and quote myself now.

 

"I mostly don't discuss my awakenings that are similar to Leo's to any degree here. I usually only discuss the things I've managed to do from certain states of consciousness that are more practical and in the realm of observable consensus reality. To bottom line what's happened to me/what I've done. It all started in around August of 2018, I experienced something that in my understanding of reality at the time should have been impossible. Basically, I started meditating on the thoughts of a character from a TV show(like whenever he'd speak I'd repeat what he says in my mind trying to practice for an impersonation). So I did this practice for about half an hour in the morning, and it totally shifted my personality, I noticed that not only did my voice sound a bit more like his throughout the day, but my automatic responses to things were based on his behavior. This alone had me a bit surprised, but the most incredible thing that occurred here is that I caught lactose intolerance from my aunt, when I've been with her experiencing episodes of LI in the past with my ordinary personality this has not happened/wasn't possible.

 

Fortunately, the next morning when I woke up the effects of the practice seemed to have worn off as I returned to my normal self(which includes me losing the lactose intolerance I acquired from my aunt). Anyway, this made me realize that the belief I had back then that my body is somehow separate from my mind(which every materialist believes) doesn't comport with reality very well at all. In reality, my mind clearly seems to be creating my body somehow, as when I altered my personality my physical body changed with it much as you'd expect only a brain-altering drug can do. I reasoned that if the boundary I experience between my mind and physical body is ultimately arbitrary, then there must be some way of collapsing it, a state from which you could alter yourself mentally at will. And then I realized that if it's possible for me to alter my physical body with my mind, it's probably also possible to alter the "external environment" as well. Or in other words, there must be some kind of way of collapsing the boundary between human imagination and not only the human body which is an instance of physical reality but all of physical reality. So basically, this one experience made me realize the reality of the possibility and potential of humans functioning in a psychic capacity.

 

There was one chink in my armour though, all of those realizations I mentioned above occurred to me from Caesar's personality(Caesar in Hercules the Legendary Journeys, the man I had become by attempting to mimic). That personality has a higher awareness of its past experience and a slightly higher awareness of logic than my own self(I'm more aware of present realities and what I'm going to do in the future). So when I returned to my ordinary self, I was kind of confused even though everything had just been so clear in my mind when I was Caesar. Consequently, I felt the need to study this subject in depth from a third-person perspective so I did.

 

I found Dr. Joe Dispenza, who claimed that he was reduced to a paraplegic in a biking accident. His spine was broken and "irreparably" deformed, Doctors wanted to perform Harrington Rod Surgery on him. But for some reason, he declined and decided to try to heal his spine by the power of his own imagination. Reasoning that he couldn't do the healing, but whatever intelligence exists within that is giving him life can. So he imagined his spinal column being reassembled over and over all day long for about 6 weeks. At first he says, that it was difficult to continue as his mind was plagued by negative melancholous thoughts of the nature that he felt he'd be bedridden his whole life. But he pushed through, then he says eventually his body started responding to his mind. Then more and more powerful was the effect until his back was completely healed.

 

When I first heard him say this I was skeptical of course. Thinking he may have fabricated the whole thing. But in reading his book "You are the Placebo", I found him saying that the placebo effect was discovered by a WWII medic named Henry Beecher who ran out of morphine. So he started using saline solution before surgery instead. Just under about four out of ten of his patients didn't experience any pain whilst being cut on. I checked NIH sources to find that the story is true. And realized that what's observed here should only be possible in a dream, not in a materialist universe as consciousness is believed to be separate from matter under materialism. Much like the strange things I experienced in the personality change. So basically, I realized there was no logical reason for my skepticism of Dispenza, especially considering the nature of the vast quantity of testimonials from his students. They all tell similar stories to Dispenza basically, where they managed to do things medically impossible via basically industrial-grade meditation they learned from Dispenza.

 

At some point after this, I was seeking some kind of meditation course designed to activate psychic abilities or to be more specific, what they call remote viewing in myself. I found Arvari, and bought the course though I felt the sales page was overhyped and had a bit of a too-good-to-be-true vibe to it. Anyway, I completed the whole course(including the Remote Influencing course). And then I used the extended RV meditation to foreknow the drawing of the Megamillions lotto. I didn't want to buy a ticket because I wasn't certain at the time if I what I was doing would even work. So I just did it on an experimental basis, which in hindsight looks like a mistake. Anyhow, all the numbers were the correct numbers but 4 of them were in the "wrong order". I say this because at the time I didn't know the rules of the game, so I thought incorrectly that the order of the 5 non mega balls was relevant but it turns out it isn't or in other words, if I bought the ticket I would have won the lottery, but I thought I had failed at the time because I didn't know what any moron who's ever bought a Powerball/Megamillions ticket would know due to my assumption that the order was significant.

 

So I concluded that Arvari wasn't powerful enough for me as I was under the delusion I had failed. Resulting in me searching for more powerful methods. I reasoned that Lucid Dreaming would probably be the way forward due to the fact that I could if I became lucid, command future information to be known to me. So for the next two years or so(I had first bought and practiced with Arvari in mid to late 2019) I was attempting to lucid dream. Using mostly conventional methods you can find on the web. Nearly everything I tried seemed to fail to yield any results as I couldn't manage to get Lucid. And when I managed to succeed by one method, which was by sleeping on a binaural beat track designed by Hemi sync to induce lucid dreams, instead of hitting the lottery I experienced God-realization instead. Which at the time I had no clue what the hell to do with. Taking responsibility for the fact that I'm the creator of everything wasn't something I was yet mature enough to do at that space/time. Much like when I had at a time earlier experienced God-realization on a psychedelic I had taken with medicinal intent, when I entered the normal human state I explained away the experiences. Though I was more accepting of the Lucid dream God realization as I realized I couldn't logically explain it away. Whereas with the psychedelic it was really easy for me to convince myself the drug made me lose my mind.

 

Then, on April 1st, 2020(I'll never forget that day because it was April Fool's) I arose from a dream that showed me the riots and political calamity caused by the George Floyd incident in May of the same year. I also became aware in the same dream, of an increase in natural disasters, including widespread forest fires and an increase in tornado/hurricane occurrences that was to unfold in the months and years to come. In the dream, I was perceiving symbolic language and was perfectly comprehending its meaning. But when I had returned to waking consciousness, I entered the normal human state from which this type of omen interpretation wasn't possible. All the predictions I made from within the dream either have come to pass or are currently still ongoing at this space/time. However, I also made fear-based projections from a normal state based on this experience, and none of those predictions came to be. Like I was afraid that maybe since there would be rioting in the streets that it might reach me in suburban America, but it did not.

 

Then sometime later, I bought some XRP for well dumb reasons to be honest. One morning I awoke from a dream where I saw a chart of Ripple over the Dollar, and the bottom was falling out of XRP. At the time, I was stupid enough to doubt the legitimacy of the prediction so I sold half and kept the other half. A few hours later the SEC launched an investigation into XRP and it started tanking.

 

Then I later bought some BTC, for also dumb reasons but not so dumb as the reason I bought Ripple. And of course, I arise from another sleeping dream. In the waking world it was about early to mid October 2021, the price of Bitcoin was around $55k. In the dream I saw Bitcoin forming a double top at approximately $66k. So I set an order to sell all my holdings at $64k to be on the safe side. A few days later it was hit, I only made about 44 dollars due to the small amount I had put in. But hey it's better than losing money eh?

 

There have been many instances of precognitive dreams occurring in human entities historically. Though we only have a public record of famous examples, like my historical namesake's wife Calpurnia dreaming of him being stabbed to death prior to his assassination. So it would seem that precognitive dreaming is a natural human ability, though it's more likely to occur in some individuals than others. And it mostly occurs without conscious control of the entity. In my case, however, it seems to be a hybrid of conscious control and unplanned. Because I had spent a long time trying and failing to lucid dream in order to win the lottery. But then I gave up and experienced dreams that did predict financial events I took advantage of.

 

Anyhow, I found Leo after my XRP precognitive dream but before my BTC one. It happened as a result of me doing further study in lucid dreaming. I had the realization that the majority of the people practicing lucid dreaming are mostly deluded. Because they think their waking reality isn't a dream, but to lucid dream effectively my experience indicated to me that you basically need to realize that your waking experience is a dream. So I put into youtube, "Life is a dream" to try to find a new lucid dreaming technique and that's how I discovered Leo. He had a somewhat superior position to my own in the sense that he had gone further into God-realization than me. And as such, he made better sense of the fact that I'm God which is something I knew prior to this but didn't really understand too well. And certainly, I wasn't confident enough in my human-level understanding of this to discuss it with other people. Especially since any ordinary person thinks you've lost your mind when you talk about some of the radical things I've experienced."

 

Understand that when I say "magick", what I am really saying is that reality is doing what you command it to do. How faithfully it responds to your commands we can call your power level. Which you have because you're an omnipotent being imagining itself to be limited in power. Or another way of articulating this, perhaps the best way of articulating this. Is that your waking world is actually a dream just as much as your sleeping dreams are. And as such, it's possible for the dream characters to bring the dream under mental control.

 

1 hour ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

What makes these entities actually existent and not just images?

They are both simultaneously. Nothing "makes" them this way, not any more so than anything makes you as you are now. There is no mechanism by which reality is being generated. If you were to try to assign some kind of explanation, it would be that we God will it so and so it is exactly as we want it to be. And then from there you mostly have less important truths about the chains of causality involved.

 

1 hour ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

I assume you do it while asleep, modeling the Chumash.

I've only done this once actually(though I consumed seed matter when Chumash consume the root, I also used Wrightii when they use Innoxia, but anyway). My ability to understand what's occurring in these third-person instances arises from 4 different things. Using the understanding I've acquired from the "paranormal" things I've done in past, combined with what I've learned about her from yes the one and only time I've experienced her, also combined with my limited awareness of neuroscience applied to accounts by the Chumash. And finally, and this may not surprise some of you. But my understanding of Toloache is also derived from the assertion that she's either a member of the Orion Group from the Ra material, or some similar negatively oriented entity. I have confidence in the validity of the Ra material, because firstly, much of what I've read in it is true in my own experience. Especially Ra's understanding of the energy rays(the energy of what yogis call chakras), and secondly I've exchanged telepathic communication with Ra in the past albeit by accident so yeah.

 

Oh and if you want me to cite my sources relative to the third-person experiences I've mentioned just ask.

 

 

 

[JuliusCaesar]

1 hour ago, RMQualtrough said:

Even non smokers hallucinate cigarettes, btw.

An astute observation, this goes to show that "non consensus" reality has a a consensus of it's own. I wrought a small thesis on Datura trip reports. Perhaps I should post it here?

[Danioover9000]

@AtheisticNonduality

10 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

Leo last committed a comment 44 minutes ago, seen on my screen. I am 444. Explain this "434" person.

The dream also has physical laws.

But you understand that if you make claims about altering/reprogramming your nervous system, higher levels of awareness having supernatural aspects, and certain entities literally manifesting themselves as lower lives like plants, there should be a standard of evidence or at least a proper pointer for elucidating this.

Is there something dark and archetypically identical across anticholinergics, like "a goddess dominatrix that fills you with darkness" or "shadow people roaming around my room" or "my dead best friend having conversations with me while I've forgotten he's dead" or "thousands of spiders falling from the ceiling" and such? Yes, but I don't see how you literally ascribe that to the agency of an autonomously sentient supernatural entity and not some internal realm in the mind-body activated by an external chemical.

   Yes, yes, yes and yes. Very few natural perceive those non physical entities, but psychedelics helps to elevate your consciousness at a higher level such they become more obvious in your awareness. From cuthulu like beings, god hand hell raiser like entities, to very cute spirits, exist. Luckily they are not the absolute force that rules many worlds, while they have power, they only have so much of it, and then that's nothing compared to GOD or infinity thwt could conjour worlds in mili seconds.

[AtheisticNonduality]

On 7/10/2022 at 9:13 PM, RMQualtrough said:

Even non smokers hallucinate cigarettes, btw.

They could hallucinate them because they've heard about it happening before, or they've had someone exhale smoke which still contained nicotine in their face before. Or they could have just been in the same room or car as someone smoking---this so they can get a hallucinated nicotinic compensation for the anticholinergic effects.

@JuliusCaesar Behavioral changes, even at a subconscious level, of mimicking a character or gaining or losing certain medical issues have psychological explanations, not necessarily supernormal ones. For example, there's a case of a patient with Dissociative Identity Disorder (multiple personalities) that could see or was blind depending on personality states, actually verified neurally. 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17611729/

You could also better explain the supranormal events you've interpreted as disproving materialism (though they could just be the high end of a material reality).

@Danioover9000 What is your experience with the entities?

 

[JuliusCaesar]

1 hour ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

@JuliusCaesar Behavioral changes, even at a subconscious level, of mimicking a character or gaining or losing certain medical issues have psychological explanations, not necessarily supernormal ones. For example, there's a case of a patient with Dissociative Identity Disorder (multiple personalities) that could see or was blind depending on personality states, actually verified neurally. 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17611729/

At the time of that, I wasn't 100% certain whether or not I had discovered a "glitch in the matrix" so to speak. Or if I had just made myself batshit crazy for a day. Either way, it lead me to probe the subject further and find much better essentially incontrovertible proof that the insights I had on that today were actually correct.

 

1 hour ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

You could also better explain the supranormal events you've interpreted as disproving materialism (though they could just be the high end of a material reality).

Of course, I could do better, but really if I wanted to argue against materialism more efficiently for the benefit of others. It would probably be wiser to cite Quantum phenomena instead. Just due to the fact that it becomes possible for me to leverage the authority of the scientific community then, and as such makes the whole argument more persuasive. But persuading people of things isn't really my agenda here, or at least not my highest priority as I mostly have a totally different set of motives entirely.

[AtheisticNonduality]

@JuliusCaesar The issue is that all these phenomena have materialist interpretations/explanations/rationalizations. None of them are truly disproofs. All of the "telepathic" or "glitch" occurrences are psychologically explainable. Is telepathy outside of material reality? Perhaps, but not necessarily, since all we need to do to include it within materiality is to model it that way and use physical systems to say how it works or could work. The quantum physics approach is even worse since all of that isn't even psychological (isn't even subjective or detached from our conceptions of the material) and is completely at the level of base physical reality. The wave function collapse requires no God, only objects (or probabilities and actualities) being in certain configurations according to certain measurements. It can be entirely systemic and doesn't need something outside the system to explain it. Now, on some level, there always needs to be something outside the system, some overlying existence of unity and transcendence, which is why disproving materialism rests with philosophy and experience alone, rather than just unorthodoxly reinterpreting strange psychophysical phenomena as immaterial.

[JuliusCaesar]

The problem is that you're relying far too heavily on the assumptions made by our culture. In much the same way that the intellectuals of Galileo's day did. I'm not exactly certain if it's beneficial to either of us to state the same arguments over and over in slightly different ways and never manage to arrive at a consensus on anything.