The Thematic Hierarchy, Spiral Dynamics and MBTI

[Artsu]

54 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

lmao

Who does this guy remind me of??

Did you know that creating the SD x MBTI thread was probably the most important thing you've ever done because that's part of what led to the Thematic Hierarchy being discovered?

Wow!

[Artsu]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Thank you, master.

One day it won't be sarcastic

 

Now stop bullying me.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Artsu said:

Now stop bullying me.

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[Artsu]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

?

I'll take that as a "I'm not going to stop".

Why do you have to be so evil?

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Artsu said:

I'll take that as a "I'm not going to stop".

Why do you have to be so evil?

I just think it's funny how you can go from "one day you'll be as great as me" to "stop bullying me" in one sentence. But sure, I'll once again deliberately and compassionately step away from engaging with your highly developed and not fragile self.

[Artsu]

14 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I just think it's funny how you can go from "one day you'll be as great as me" to "stop bullying me" in one sentence. But sure, I'll once again deliberately and compassionately step away from engaging with your highly developed and not fragile self.

You're still doing it.

Seriously, just leave me alone.

 

Oh and I never said one day you'll be as great as me? That would be absurd.

One day you'll find out how great I am.

You'll never get there, yourself.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Artsu

[thisintegrated]

28 minutes ago, Artsu said:

I'll take that as a "I'm not going to stop".

Why do you have to be so evil?

Carl's just a bad person.

 

33 minutes ago, Artsu said:

Did you know that creating the SD x MBTI thread was probably the most important thing you've ever done because that's part of what led to the Thematic Hierarchy being discovered?

Wow!

It's far from my best work.

It's impressive you recognize the value in my original idea, maybe you're an ENTP like me (or maybe just INFP).  But your mini-model is overly simplistic, and just wrong in some places.  

 

On 04/07/2022 at 10:00 PM, Artsu said:

Appearance - Red - Se

Just as much Orange.  Fashion and Instagram are very Orange and Se.

 

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Convention - Blue - Si

Not Si specifically.  Sensing in general.  And also Ni.  "Faith" is a very Ni thing.

 

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Success - Orange - Te

Yeah, but it's wrong to think it's limited to that.

 

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Learning - Orange - Ti

Learning is most strongly associated with Te.  Going to lessons, having a teacher, reading books, etc. are all Te.

Also it depends on which slot the function is in.  Ti1 will actively try to come up with answers.  Ti2 will just provide support and fact-check.  Ti3 and Ti4 won't really care about learning at all.

 

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Universal - Turquoise - Ni

Turquoise is the integration of all functions.  But sure, Ni kinda fits if you had to choose one function to represent it.

 

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The Now - Coral - Se

Extraction - Si

Mission - Te

Axiom - Ti

What?

The now is most strongly associated with children.  Children are around Purple/Red/Blue.  Not Tier 3 which doesn't even exist yet.  To make a stage, you need enough people to form a "stereotype" for it.  So not only is there no person at Coral, but even if there was there couldn't be!  If an advanced alien came here, even they wouldn't be Coral because it's a human model.

 

8 minutes ago, Artsu said:

You're still doing it.

Seriously, just leave me alone.

 

Oh and I never said one day you'll be as great as me? That would be absurd.

One day you'll find out how great I am.

You'll never get there, yourself.

21 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I just think it's funny how you can go from "one day you'll be as great as me" to "stop bullying me" in one sentence. But sure, I'll once again deliberately and compassionately step away from engaging with your highly developed and not fragile self.

This is kinda funny.  I love Orange vs Green fights.

Edited November 25, 2022 by thisintegrated

[Carl-Richard]

13 minutes ago, Artsu said:

Oh and I never said one day you'll be as great as me? That would be absurd.

One day you'll find out how great I am.

You'll never get there, yourself

???

Edited November 25, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[John Paul]

On 11/20/2022 at 3:17 PM, Artsu said:

 

I'll just say, that when describing higher levels of consciousness, it's very difficult to convey through ordinary language what it is that makes these states so profound.

 

Classic Leo move^

[Artsu]

8 minutes ago, John Paul said:

Classic Leo move^

Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

[Artsu]

@thisintegrated

I'm an INFJ.

 

Also, young children live in Appearances which is the lower level equivalent of The Now.

To actually live in The Now is rare.

[thisintegrated]

26 minutes ago, Artsu said:

@thisintegrated

I'm an INFJ.

Okay yeah that does make the most sense actually.  I think I diagnosed you with Te blindspot some time ago.

This is why your talks with Carl are so funny.  You're Te-blind, and @Carl-Richard's Ti-blind???

 

26 minutes ago, Artsu said:

Also, young children live in Appearances which is the lower level equivalent of The Now.

To actually live in The Now is rare.

w-what??

Children couldn't care less about appearances.  Children play in the mud without any care for how it looks.

What takes us away from "the now" is the intellect, but the intellect is the last thing to develop.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, thisintegrated said:

This is why your talks with Carl are so funny.  You're Te-blind, and @Carl-Richard's Ti-blind???

I've transcended a childish overreliance on Ti ?

[thisintegrated]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I've transcended a childish overreliance on Ti ?

I could say the same about my Fi??

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, thisintegrated said:

I could say the same about my Fi??

You don't transcend wisdom ???

[Dryas]

Stop linking cognitive functions with spiral stages, this is bullshit

[Artsu]

@thisintegrated

You misunderstand what Appearance implies.

Yes, fashion does largely involve appearances, but it really means to judge by the outer form of something. This is basic cognition.

One form of spiritual awakening is the ability to see through/overcome Appearances.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Artsu

[Artsu]

7 minutes ago, Dryas said:

Stop linking cognitive functions with spiral stages, this is bullshit

This is NOT bullshit, you just don't understand it.

Move along.

[thisintegrated]

4 hours ago, Artsu said:

@thisintegrated

You misunderstand what Appearance implies.

Yes, fashion does largely involve appearances, but it really means to judge by the outer form of something. This is basic cognition.

One form of spiritual awakening is the ability to see through/overcome Appearances.

That's like so vague it could apply to anyone.

Literally every 10 year old does this to some extent.  Every 10 year old has some understanding of what social status is, what renewable energy is, etc. things which require some abstraction.  If you wanna feel special, come up with something that's a little less generic.

Edited November 26, 2022 by thisintegrated

[Artsu]

21 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

That's like so vague it could apply to anyone.

Literally every 10 year old does this to some extent.  Every 10 year old has some understanding of what social status is, what renewable energy is, etc. things which require some abstraction.  If you wanna feel special, come up with something that's a little less generic.

Generic? LOL

It's the outline of the model. I can identify the stages.

This is above you.