If you thought the roll back of roe vs wade was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.

[Devin]

45 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

There have been countless cultures that have come and gone over history.

In my lifetime I've seen modern-day Britain have a cultural crisis as middle England was all but removed, where the village life was usurped by towns and culturally lost its way for a while. The rise of the chav for example :), which in reality was just the new youth of the time. I imagine the same in a more severe fashion happened as its 'empire crumbled'. 10-15 years ago I used to ask people what English culture was? I got very weak answers. One of the positives over the last 10 years was a slow re-establishing of english identity and culture, through media efforts and national programs. For example I was against brexit but one reason it was successful was England in a way needed that jolt, to say I still exist and have a voice. The cultural aspect of that is almost overlooked, and one reason why the EU struggles with unity or did until it had a common enemy in Russia.

Rome - https://blablawriting.net/prime-relationship-roman-culture-absorbed-essay

A classic one Romans used to absorb cultures slowly by taking aspects of their culture and integrating it, some were strong enough to persist after rome fell, some didn't. 

Search Engines favorite answer: Bantu Migrations
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv114c79k.8?seq=1

Lots of cultures were absorbed during this period.

Let's just look at just one area I know well.

England had the beakers which nobody remembers, druidism much of which was removed (people say celts, others gauls), the anglo-saxons which it is said peaceful changed the druidic culture over time, the normans changed it not so peacefully! The vikings which had an impact on many local areas, and we arrive at the combined english culture of which some of the old remains and some doesn't.

I'm not going to touch China, because i'd do a poor job, which has had more historic cultural sites destroyed than anyone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_destroyed_heritage#China

You think those cultures ended because the people shunned their culture? Passively or actively?

I'm asking for an example of a culture ending because of what you were calling "weakening of culture"

I think a good argument could be made cultures die because they strictly stick to their traditions.

I think I'm missing what you're saying

Edited July 5, 2022 by Devin

[Leo Gura]

@BlueOak Your mind is being hijacked by all the negative news you're watching. That isn't reality.

Censorship is the lowest its ever been in human history. Stop watching whiney Youtubers complaining about politics. They are mostly morons with no consciousness nor wisdom.

All the whining about censorship is especially moronic. If censorship existed I would be the first person to be censored. The existence of my work shows you that censorship doesn't exist.

People are not being banned for saying radical things, they are being banned for being assholes to other people.

[Devin]

Put a sign supporting homosexuality in front of your house even in the early 80s, you'd be replacing windows in much of the country, and it would be burned down in others. 

You can reach the whole world with whatever you want to say in a click of a mouse today.

Edited July 5, 2022 by Devin

[Vynce]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@BlueOak Your mind is being hijacked by all the negative news you're watching. That isn't reality.

Censorship is the lowest its ever been in human history. Stop watching whiney Youtubers complaining about politics. They are mostly morons with no consciousness nor wisdom.

All the whining about censorship is especially moronic. If censorship existed I would be the first person to be censored. The existence of my work shows you that censorship doesn't exist.

People are not being banned for saying radical things, they are being banned for being assholes to other people.

Thank God! This is exactly what almost everybody needs to hear in political and socio-economical discussions. 

Please make a video about why people are pessimistic about the future and why there are infinite reasons that reality is ultimately steering towards infinite good. 

But lemme guess: you don't even want to make content about it, because pessimistic people don't even want to watch a video that threatens their stable, "coherent" worldview. 

Either way, I cannot wait for reality to dissolve the pathological dooms day mind of "political concerned" people. 

 

[Yarco]

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If censorship existed I would be the first person to be censored. The existence of my work shows you that censorship doesn't exist.

How so? You don't represent any kind of credible threat at the moment. Most of the self-help content feeds into the capitalistic system. And the spiritual content isn't a threat unless it created some kind of mass movement. People talking about all being one isn't a problem to the system as long as 99% of people see it as crazy talk. The government doesn't care about fringe outliers unless you started threatening their power or like 10% of the population started adopting it.

It's like saying if censorship was real then vegans would be censored. The powers that be don't care about vegans.

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

People are not being banned for saying radical things, they are being banned for being assholes to other people.

How can someone identify the difference between a person who is a radical vs just being an asshole? 

If someone is radical in a way you don't like, wouldn't you automatically label them an asshole?

How can you be radical without being an asshole? For a position to be radical, it pretty much necessitates a call to limit someone else's rights, or some situation in which you'd always be labeled as being an asshole.

It seems like the same kind of blanket statement such as leftists calling everyone nazis. You're just substituting the word asshole for nazi to discredit anyone you don't like or agree with.

Edited July 6, 2022 by Yarco

[Leo Gura]

@Yarco You should be smart enough to understand that if you start threatening people then expect tit-for-tat.

You wanna play power games? Then you better be able to take a punch, not just throw a punch.

US government is not censoring anyone. Private corps are banning people for violating their TOS designed to create a peaceful environment for commerce to be possible.

If anything, our current problems are coming directly from lack of moderation and censorship. Idiots are allowed to organize coups against a legitimately elected government and spread toxic bad-faith conspiracy theories. This is how far freedom has come.

What we have is too much free speech, not too little. People want the freedom to say idiotic things without realizing that if such a freedom is fully left unchecked it would destroy civilization.

[BlueOak]

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@BlueOak Your mind is being hijacked by all the negative news you're watching. That isn't reality.

Censorship is the lowest its ever been in human history. Stop watching whiney Youtubers complaining about politics. They are mostly morons with no consciousness nor wisdom.

All the whining about censorship is especially moronic. If censorship existed I would be the first person to be censored. The existence of my work shows you that censorship doesn't exist.

People are not being banned for saying radical things, they are being banned for being assholes to other people.

Come on. About 10% of the internet is accessible these days, of that 10% only 0.00001% gets to the top to be seen at all. Discussions I am in on youtube frequently my partner is deleted, it happens to me also when I am on the wrong side of a debate. Censorship is the worst I've ever seen it in my entire lifetime. It used to be discussions were deleted or usually locked (and left) when they became abusive, not when they had opposing opinions the trend has become so bad it's absurd. I even seen people asking for it on this very forum, which is a complete 180 on attitudes. 
 
This is a case of you either having opinions that are more accepted by the censors. When they are not they won't be there, or would be buried so deep nobody ever finds it in any search algorithm anyway. I had considerably more freedom to even have a conversation in earlier periods of my life, that's a fact, there was considerably more of the internet accessible in its earlier years too, that's also a fact.

Many of the other things I've listed I've observed nobodies told me it. I've never had anyone talk to me about 50's cultural trends, in film, fashion and media. Nobodies come up and said look how older names are making a comeback . Nobody makes a video on collective concessions to culture or society because of the rising authoritarian superpowers, Not until right now with these massive changes to law. Sure there was some whispering in socialist circles about how Breitbart was funded and the influence it had, but that was a very slow drip of news.

I doubt many people can even see it because it's a gradual change over decades.  That's an observation, the fact you want to dismiss it because I'm supposedly watching the wrong videos only highlights the point. You would rather dismiss those speakers because they have an opposing view to you. Which is the trend.

People are constantly being banned for saying things that don't walk the line. There was a period when almost every left-wing speaker on youtube or facebook was banned, then it moved to focus in on individual comments on text. Before this it was just burying every single independent news outlet, you can barely find any independent news anywhere unless you really take the time to look. Before that it was people copyright claiming everything that wasn't run by a billionaire or government media.

You can tell me its not raining when I am soaked, but when I see every single day, yes every day, the speaker I am talking to having his comments deleted, or mine when I am not toeing the establishment line. 

This post would 100% for certain be deleted if I made it on youtube.

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

3 hours ago, Vynce said:

Thank God! This is exactly what almost everybody needs to hear in political and socio-economical discussions. 

Please make a video about why people are pessimistic about the future and why there are infinite reasons that reality is ultimately steering towards infinite good. 

But lemme guess: you don't even want to make content about it, because pessimistic people don't even want to watch a video that threatens their stable, "coherent" worldview. 

Either way, I cannot wait for reality to dissolve the pathological dooms day mind of "political concerned" people. 

 

Rarely have I seen so much gaslighting. I am envious of your ability to not only dismiss people but belittle their experiences from your enlightened perspective. 

[Devin]

15 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Come on. About 10% of the internet is accessible these days, of that 10% only 0.00001% gets to the top to be seen at all. Discussions I am in on youtube frequently my partner is deleted, it happens to me also when I am on the wrong side of a debate. Censorship is the worst I've ever seen it in my entire lifetime. It used to be discussions were deleted or usually locked (and left) when they became abusive, not when they had opposing opinions the trend has become so bad it's absurd. I even seen people asking for it on this very forum, which is a complete 180 on attitudes. 
 
This is a case of you either having opinions that are more accepted by the censors. When they are not they won't be there, or would be buried so deep nobody ever finds it in any search algorithm anyway. I had considerably more freedom to even have a conversation in earlier periods of my life, that's a fact, there was considerably more of the internet accessible in its earlier years too, that's also a fact.

Many of the other things I've listed I've observed nobodies told me it. I've never had anyone talk to me about 50's cultural trends, in film, fashion and media. Nobodies come up and said look how older names are making a comeback . Nobody makes a video on collective concessions to culture or society because of the rising authoritarian superpowers, Not until right now with these massive changes to law. Sure there was some whispering in socialist circles about how Breitbart was funded and the influence it had, but that was a very slow drip of news.

I doubt many people can even see it because it's a gradual change over decades.  That's an observation, the fact you want to dismiss it because I'm supposedly watching the wrong videos only highlights the point. You would rather dismiss those speakers because they have an opposing view to you. Which is the trend.

People are constantly being banned for saying things that don't walk the line. There was a period when almost every left-wing speaker on youtube or facebook was banned, then it moved to focus in on individual comments on text. Before this it was just burying every single independent news outlet, you can barely find any independent news anywhere unless you really take the time to look. Before that it was people copyright claiming everything that wasn't run by a billionaire or government media.

You can tell me its not raining when I am soaked, but when I see every single day, yes every day, the speaker I am talking to having his comments deleted, or mine when I am not toeing the establishment line. 

This post would 100% for certain be deleted if I made it on youtube.

 

You just posted it right here, and it's still here.

Saying youtube won't let you post something is like saying walmart won't let me setup a booth out front saying whatever, or my neighbor won't let me put a sign in his yard.

You have a broader audience here than you did wherever you were posting freely back in the day. That's like saying "I could say whatever I wanted in my closet".

Start your own social media, who's gonna censor you?

Edited July 6, 2022 by Devin

[BlueOak]

1 minute ago, Devin said:

You just posted it right here, and it's still here.

Saying youtube won't let you post something is like saying walmart won't let me setup a booth out front saying whatever, or my neighbor won't let me put a sign in his yard.

Why do you think I am still on this forum?  Its one of the few places I can have a discussion.

Your neighbor does not control the street, town, city, and country's ability to put out signs on all yards, even their own. Google does, along with facebook and a few others, that's all you get to see, because 90% of the internet is completely censored from your view, and the rest of it is buried so deep in the algorithm you'll never see it anyway, and of those sites that do exist, they are also bury most of the content that isn't made from mainstream sources.

[Devin]

2 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Why do you think I am still on this forum?  Its one of the few places I can have a discussion.

Your neighbor does not control the street, town, city, and country's ability to put out signs on all yards, even their own. Google does, along with facebook and a few others, that's all you get to see, because 90% of the internet is completely censored from your view, and the rest of it is buried so deep in the algorithm you'll never see it anyway, and of those sites that do exist, they are also bury most of the content that isn't made from mainstream sources.

YouTube is not the street or town square, it's walmart, it's a gay bar, Google is a bookstore

Start your own social media, who's gonna censor you?

[BlueOak]

You added this so I'll make a separate quote for it
 

6 minutes ago, Devin said:

You have a broader audience here than you did wherever you were posting freely back in the day. That's like saying "I could say whatever I wanted in my closet".

For the great majority of my life I don't care who is reading or watching something, only fruitless times when I thought I was making a difference did I go down that road. Most of the time in my life I am talking to you, and only the poster I am replying to.

That said the audience size should have little or no bearing on censorship if two people are not abusive to each other.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Come on. About 10% of the internet is accessible these days, of that 10% only 0.00001% gets to the top to be seen at all.

That's simply because there's too much internet and people don't want to waste time looking through all of it. That has nothing to do with censorship. There are hundreds of trillions of pages. You can't see them all.

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Discussions I am in on youtube frequently my partner is deleted

Deleted by YT? You have to say something truly vile for YT to delete your video.

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Censorship is the worst I've ever seen it in my entire lifetime.

Lol

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This is a case of you either having opinions that are more accepted by the censors. When they are not they won't be there, or would be buried so deep nobody ever finds it in any search algorithm anyway. I had considerably more freedom to even have a conversation in earlier periods of my life, that's a fact, there was considerably more of the internet accessible in its earlier years too, that's also a fact.

Yeah, if you're trying to spread ideas like Holocaust denial or race IQ, you will get censored. Because you're spreading both bad and harmful ideas.

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People are constantly being banned for saying things that don't walk the line. There was a period when almost every left-wing speaker on youtube or facebook was banned, then it moved to focus in on individual comments on text. Before this it was just burying every single independent news outlet, you can barely find any independent news anywhere unless you really take the time to look. Before that it was people copyright claiming everything that wasn't run by a billionaire or government media.

You can tell me its not raining when I am soaked, but when I see every single day, yes every day, the speaker I am talking to having his comments deleted, or mine when I am not toeing the establishment line. 

This post would 100% for certain be deleted if I made it on youtube.

You've lost your mind in a paranoid delusion of self-bias and projection. All because you consume media improperly and because you cling to bad political takes which you refuse to surrender.

Good luck with that.

P.S. No one is deleting your YT comments. They are just trapped in automated YT spam filters. You can post a YT comment saying that you like the fuck children, and it will most likely stay up there. Of course on my channel I do delete such types of comments.

[Razard86]

On 7/4/2022 at 10:04 PM, Leo Gura said:

Yes, it's bad. But don't get all depressed and nihilistic about it. America will recover from this dark age.

These right-wing decisions will not stand long-term because they will be both unworkable and deeply unpopular.

All this just goes to show that elections matter, and both sides are not equally bad. If people vote in the right ways they will have a better country and vice versa.

Totally agree. Its why I don't even know why everyone is so afraid sometimes for something to be valued it has to be taken away. Sometimes you have to take one step back before you can take two steps forward. Healing works this way as well. You think you got over something only to realize there are more layers there that were hidden. 

You even mentioned this in one of your videos, so yeah America needs to go through this Dark Night of the Soul they are having before they can truly awaken to their own selfishness and ignorance. Doesn't bother me because everything is always how it has to be. We should just grab something to eat and drink and enjoy the show.

[BlueOak]

@Leo Gura
I have had so many examples of comments getting censored or channels getting closed for nothing that you are straight-up wrong Leo. Yes people can't view everything on earth but much more of it should be available to them. Not censored from view. You may dislike the word, but that is its meaning.

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You've lost your mind in a paranoid delusion of self-bias and projection. All because you consume media improperly and because you cling to bad political takes which you refuse to surrender.

Good luck with that.

I expected better than trash talk. If that's all you've got. Shall I reflect it?

You've lost your mind in a bubble of self-superiority and projection of your own bias. Because you dislike the opposing opinion and way it's framed you see fit to attack the poster of the opinion rather than address the perspective itself. Which is always the sign of a limited mind or flawed perspective.

You make leaps in judgement on people because it's quicker and easier to do. Its easier to put people in a category you can dismiss when they don't fit with your worldview. I do time to time view a video, but barely consume any political or social media whatsoever these days, for the reasons I've given above. People rarely tell me what to think without a good argument because I am too stubborn for it, so perhaps read a person a bit better before leaping to conclusions.

[BlueOak]

22 hours ago, Devin said:

You think those cultures ended because the people shunned their culture? Passively or actively?

I'm asking for an example of a culture ending because of what you were calling "weakening of culture"

I think a good argument could be made cultures die because they strictly stick to their traditions.

I think I'm missing what you're saying

I'm sorry this discussion got buried in personal attacks and nonsense talk, I missed this. I am not in the frame of mind for an in-depth discussion on culture, but would be happy to in another thread.

For a brief summary. Cultures end or less dramatically reform for all kinds of reasons. Without things that define a culture, it is weaker yes, cultures bring a people together and gives them common ground. They allow for things like celebrations, festivals, tourism in good times, and common identity in hard times like war or economic depression. It encourages people to work together when times get tough and gives them a collective identity.

Edited July 6, 2022 by BlueOak

[Devin]

34 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

I'm sorry this discussion got buried in personal attacks and nonsense talk, I missed this. I am not in the frame of mind for an in-depth discussion on culture, but would be happy to in another thread.

For a brief summary. Cultures end or less dramatically reform for all kinds of reasons. Without things that define a culture, it is weaker yes, cultures bring a people together and gives them common ground. They allow for things like celebrations, festivals, tourism in good times, and common identity in hard times like war or economic depression. It encourages people to work together when times get tough and gives them a collective identity.

Do you think the roman, egyptian, greek, ottoman, hun, Austro hungarian, empire cultures were weak cultures?

[BlueOak]

1 minute ago, Devin said:

Do you think the roman, egyptian, greek, ottoman, hun, Austro hungarian, empire cultures were weak cultures?

I'd be happy to have a discussion on culture in a different thread, it might be an interesting topic.

I think most cultures go through periods of being strong, growing, and vibrant, with periods of decline, stagnation etc.

[Devin]

31 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

I'd be happy to have a discussion on culture in a different thread, it might be an interesting topic.

I think most cultures go through periods of being strong, growing, and vibrant, with periods of decline, stagnation etc.

And to refer to what got us started on this, you think shunning materialism is bad for American culture? Will lead to decline and stagnation

[gettoefl]

bravo @Leo Gura not a word to add, thanks for your enthusiasm, wisdom and devotion