I think pizza gets more hate than it deserves

[Blackhawk]

In the latest video, in "The power of not-knowing", @Leo Gura says how bad pizza is for your health.

But have you ever thought about what a pizza actually contains?

It contains bread, tomato sauce, cheese, and stuff like shrimp, beef tenderloin, tomato, onion, banana, chicken, mushroom, asparagus, etc.

The same thing pretty much applies to hamburgers too.

Just think it through a bit before you get this emotional reaction: "It's bad for your health!"

Edited July 1, 2022 by Blackhawk

[something_else]

The sauce and base often contain a lot of sugar, salt and oil. It's also extremely calorie dense, a large dominoes pizza for example has something like 2 or 3 thousand calories depending on your country.

Dairy is also something that affects a fair number of people adversely.

I don't think that it's necessarily bad for you if you're not already overweight, it's just that it contains a fuck ton of calories that don't really offer you that much nutrition.

Which is a shame cos it tastes really fucking good, lol

[Blackhawk]

37 minutes ago, something_else said:

The sauce and base often contain a lot of sugar, salt and oil. It's also extremely calorie dense, a large dominoes pizza for example has something like 2 or 3 thousand calories depending on your country.

Dairy is also something that affects a fair number of people adversely.

I don't think that it's necessarily bad for you if you're not already overweight, it's just that it contains a fuck ton of calories that don't really offer you that much nutrition.

Which is a shame cos it tastes really fucking good, lol

I don't think the sauce and base contains sugar. Not the stuff which I eat, real pizza. With base, do you mean the bread?

They do contain nutrition, all the stuff which I listed is nutritious.

And it's not the pizzas fault if you eat too much of it. It's your fault. You can eat too much of anything.

You could go down in weight with only pizza.

I will never agree on that pizza is unhealthy, no matter what anyone say, because I'm gifted with my own brain which I can use.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Blackhawk

[something_else]

1 minute ago, Blackhawk said:

I don't think the sauce and base contains sugar. Not the stuff which I eat, real pizza. With base, do you mean the bread?

Well, depends where you get it from I suppose. I'm sure authentic Italian pizza is probably healthier for you than American adaptations, but most people think of the American adaptation when talking about pizza.

The American pizza style (what I tend to bake myself) definitely contains lots of sugar. In order to get the yeast in the dough to rise you need to supply it with sugar. And the sauce in many cases has sugar for taste as well, just like ketchup.

4 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

They do contain nutrition, all the stuff which I listed is nutritious.

Not really. It's certainly not very nutritious for the amount of calories it contains. What nutrients does a pizza contain? A little bit of protein in the cheese, tiny bit of protein in the dough, maybe a few vitamins in the tomato sauce, then the rest is basically carbs/fats.

You can add extra nutrition with some toppings I suppose but it's not really substantial.

6 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

And it's not the pizzas fault if you eat too much of it. It's your fault. You can eat too much of anything.

I mean yes, but getting your entire daily allowance of calories from a single, averagely nutritious (at best) meal, is not so great.

[Blackhawk]

20 minutes ago, something_else said:

Well, depends where you get it from I suppose. I'm sure authentic Italian pizza is probably healthier for you than American adaptations, but most people think of the American adaptation when talking about pizza.

The American pizza style (what I tend to bake myself) definitely contains lots of sugar. In order to get the yeast in the dough to rise you need to supply it with sugar. And the sauce in many cases has sugar for taste as well, just like ketchup.

Not really. It's certainly not very nutritious for the amount of calories it contains. What nutrients does a pizza contain? A little bit of protein in the cheese, tiny bit of protein in the dough, maybe a few vitamins in the tomato sauce, then the rest is basically carbs/fats.

You can add extra nutrition with some toppings I suppose but it's not really substantial.

I mean yes, but getting your entire daily allowance of calories from a single, averagely nutritious (at best) meal, is not so great.

So according to you, for example cheese, shrimp, meat, bell pepper, tomato, onion, banana, chicken, mushroom, asparagus, olives, ananas, tuna, etc. isn't nutritious? Wow.

And even IF it contains a bit sugar.. in small amounts it isn't unhealthy.

You can put the most healthy stuff you know on a pizza. That's the beauty of pizza. You could put vitamin pills on it.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Blackhawk

[Blackhawk]

25 minutes ago, something_else said:

A little bit of protein in the cheese, tiny bit of protein in the dough

A little bit protein?

Do you understand how much high quality meat you can put on a pizza?

You could put a entire full grown cow on a pizza.

Not sure how you can think that's not enough protein.

[something_else]

Or you could just eat the nutritious stuff on its own and skip the pizza part of the meal.

Look, I eat my fair share of pizza. It’s a tasty as fuck. But don’t try to delude yourself that consuming huge amounts of stodgy, sugary, greasy carbs is good for you, no matter what you add on top

At best it’s ‘not that harmful’ but at worst it will make you very overweight, give you heart problems, or any other variety of problems that come from eating absurdly calorie dense fatty/carby/greasy/dairy/salty foods

Edited July 1, 2022 by something_else

[actuallyenlightened]

Pizza is not food!! Never felt good after eating even a small amount of pizza from the hut or dominos. Don't eat pizza unless you have to! 

[Blackhawk]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

Or you could just eat the nutritious stuff on its own and skip the pizza part of the meal.

Look, I eat my fair share of pizza. It’s a tasty as fuck. But don’t try to delude yourself that consuming huge amounts of stodgy, sugary, greasy carbs is good for you, no matter what you add on top

At best it’s ‘not that harmful’ but at worst it will make you very overweight, give you heart problems, or any other variety of problems that come from eating absurdly calorie dense fatty/carby/greasy/dairy/salty foods

So you are saying that bread, cheese, and tomato sauce are unhealthy, right.

You think that if you eat nutritious stuff with bread, cheese, and tomato sauce, then it's suddenly not nutritious anymore.

And it's not true that it's sugary.

What's the most nutritious food you know of?

1 hour ago, actuallyenlightened said:

Pizza is not food!! Never felt good after eating even a small amount of pizza from the hut or dominos. Don't eat pizza unless you have to! 

I feel amazing after I eat pizza. I don't eat pizza hut or dominos.

What's the most nutritious food you know of?

Edited July 1, 2022 by Blackhawk

[Eph75]

Well, to start with, let's not compare e.g. Neapolitan style pizza with the typical grease bomb pizzas that seem to be the norm in most places.

American style pizza is much to cheezy and greasy for me.

Americans also seem to be addicted to adding sugar into foods, where I would find sugar strange.

We have different taste preferences.

The pizzas you find in the typical around-the-corner pizzerias in Sweden might be a little bit less unhealthy, depending on which pizza you buy, but still unhealthy. 

Although Neapolitan style pizza is getting more and more popular, they are, from my experience, rather a Neapolitan hybrid than being pure Neapolitan style. 

Traditional Neapolitan style pizza is a whole different deal and is quite healthy and doesn't have much cheeze, rather small islands of mozzarella cheeze, and light, airy and easily digestible bread. And especially so compared to these other pizza styles, and these franchises mentioned here. 

Pizza is a much too wide of a concept to say all is bad, but undoubtedly the majority is pizza lean towards being the unhealthy kind and generally best avoided.

The amount of pizza of course matters. Most pizzas are much too much food, especially store bought.

There can be too much of a "good thing" as well, doesn't need to be pizza, to turn something healthy into unhealthy by consuming unhealthy amounts.

Why do we eat pizzas, might be more interesting to ask, ourselves. Do we buy it because we're too lazy to cook? Do we use it as comfort food, as a coping mecahnism, or do we feed some kind of addiction? And also why feel a need to defend eating pizzas, instead of just eating it, if we're confident that the version we do eat is on the healthier end of the pizza spectrum. 

Edited July 1, 2022 by Eph75

[Blackhawk]

20 minutes ago, Eph75 said:

but still unhealthy. 

No it's not.

20 minutes ago, Eph75 said:

The amount of pizza of course matters. Most pizzas are much too much food, especially store bought.

"Pizza is too much food" doesn't make any sense, because you can eat one pizza, and then don't eat any more calories for a while after that.

How come I eat pizza all the time (and have done so for many years) but I'm healthy and not even a tiny bit fat?

20 minutes ago, Eph75 said:

Why do we eat pizzas, might be more interesting. Do we buy it because we're too lazy to cook? Do we use it as comfort food, as a coping mecahnism, or do we feed some kind of addiction? And also why feel a need to defend eating pizzas, instead of just eating it, if we're confident that the version we do eat is on the healthier end of the pizza spectrum. 

 

Because it's healthy in reasonable amounts, easy, fast, and tasty.

I defend it because I don't like myths, no matter what myth it is.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Blackhawk

[Eph75]

If you manage your pizza eating habit and make that sustainable from a health perspective that's great.

Although, that doesn't mean it will be a healthy experience for most people.

[actuallyenlightened]

27 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

I feel amazing after I eat pizza. I don't eat pizza hut or dominos.

What's the most nutritious food you know of?

Yeah I guess pizza with proper ingredients would be reasonable.

Not a single food but a meal:

- Carbs: 50/50 jasmine rice and quinoa + cauliflower rice added

- Chicken stir fry: chicken breast with kale, spinach, onions and broccoli (all organic) done in extra virgin olive oil

[Blackhawk]

2 minutes ago, actuallyenlightened said:

Yeah I guess pizza with proper ingredients would be reasonable.

Not a single food but a meal:

- Carbs: 50/50 jasmine rice and quinoa + cauliflower rice added

- Chicken stir fry: chicken breast with kale, spinach, onions and broccoli (all organic) done in extra virgin olive oil

Great, you can buy pizzas with all those nutritious things on it.

[Yarco]

There's a big range when it comes to burgers, pizza, and other foods.

You can get McDonalds, or cheap burgers made with like 50% fillers... soy, corn, etc. Or you can get grass-fed organic beef and gluten free buns.

You can get a Margherita pizza made with 00 flour, sauce made from fresh san marzano tomatoes and basil, extra virgin olive oil, and fresh buffalo mozzarella. Or you can get American style pizza with sugar in the sauce and 2 inches of cheap plasticy cheese on top.

That being said, I still eat cheap crappy pizza like Dominos or Little Caesars like once a week on average. Even knowing the high sodium and other gunk will literally make my joints hurt the next day from the inflammation, good chance I'll have heartburn when I go to bed, and it's making me fat... for me personally, the enjoyment I get out of it while I'm eating it is still worth it.

If I can eat whatever I want and do no exercise, vs live 20 years longer but have to run every other day and eat kale salads for my entire life, I think I'll take the short-but-sweet path.

I would guess that doing one-meal-a-day intermittent fasting when you know you're going to have a giant junk food meal probably offsets some of the harm as well.

[actuallyenlightened]

2 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

Great, you can buy pizzas with all those nutritious things on it.

Well, there's a lot of things that I can do 

[undeather]

 

Both are Pizzas...
But only one is a high quality product with traditional ingridients and minimal processing...
Only one is made of delicious hand-crafted sourdough, fresh tomatoes and organic "fior di latte" 
Only one contains the high quality extra virgin olive oil that is full of antioxidants and polyphenols
One of them will make you feel amazing, the other one like shit

[something_else]

16 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

So you are saying that bread, cheese, and tomato sauce are unhealthy, right.

I'm saying that pizza dough made with tons of sugar and unhealthy oil, highly processed tomato sauce filled with sugar and oils, and low quality cheese are unhealthy, because that is what most pizza contains.

I'm also saying that eating your entire daily calorie allowance in one meal is unhealthy, which again, covers most pizza.

[Carl-Richard]

The rule for pizza is the more dough it has, the less healthy it is. It's almost pure flour (> 4x more calories than potatoes).

[something_else]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The rule for pizza is the more dough it has, the less healthy it is. It's almost pure flour (> 4x more calories than potatoes).

And also usually a lot of oil/salt/sugar too. When I made my own pizza dough I was putting in two tablespoons of olive oil and a tablespoon of sugar and salt, I imagine the average pizza from a takeaway or whereever will be much worse.