Jordan Peterson joins Daily Wire!

[How to be wise]

13 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Also, why do higher educated individuals tend to vote more for liberals and Democrats?

The more knowledgeable you are, the wiser you become. Hence you are more conscious.

[Ulax]

21 hours ago, Hardkill said:

If guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro are undoubtedly smarter and more educated than the average American then why haven't they been able to question both their own religious dogma and all of right-wing politics? 

Academia has numerous biases and hidden assumptions. More so in some subjects than others.

Shapiro is a harvard law grad, and I'm of the opinion that law is actually a rather right wing indoctrinating subject. You study a lot of private law and come to see the rationales used in private law decisions as being correct. For example, in contract law you see the consideration of 'market efficiency' as being an important consideration. And many then come to see improving market efficiency as something that is 'good'. And, further effects such as seeing the market as 'good' get adopted more and more.

Duncan Kennedy, a professor at Harvard law, wrote about the indoctrinating effect of the harvard law programme.

[Leo Gura]

Harvard. Lol

None of that shit is consciousness or intelligence.

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, How to be wise said:

The more knowledgeable you are, the wiser you become. Hence you are more conscious.

Nahh, you're conflating knowledge, wisdom and consciousness. None of those are mutually inclusive.

[How to be wise]

Just now, UnbornTao said:

Nahh, you're conflating knowledge, wisdom and consciousness. None of those are mutually inclusive.

Then why do college-educated people skew Green, while uneducated people skew Blue. Unless you’re saying that Green is not wiser and more conscious than Blue, which is crazy.

[Hardkill]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Harvard. Lol

None of that shit is consciousness or intelligence.

Shapiro and Peterson may not have nearly as high of consciousness or intelligence as someone like you do, but they are still smarter and more educated than most ignorant conservatives in America.

You even mentioned before about how that the more education you have and the more effective of a knowledge worker you become the more free you are able to use your mind to see the injustices in the world, become more skeptical about the cultural traditions of your society, and demand freedom for greater self-expression and greater democracy.

https://youtu.be/_8kybdrx1Xo?t=7231 

Is there something that I am not understanding from what you're saying about that?

 

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

but they are still smarter and more educated than most ignorant conservatives in America.

That's a very low bar.

[Hardkill]

55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a very low bar.

Be that as it may, why is it that more educated people generally vote more for Dems and Libs whereas the more ignorant generally vote more for Repubs and Cons, but not educated individuals like Shapiro and Peterson? Is it simply because of their religious dogma?

How does a society raise the true intelligence of its people on a collective scale over time?

Also, are you saying that liberals like me are actually more intelligent than JP or Shapiro, even if people don't have as high of academic achievements as those two are?

Edited July 3, 2022 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

@Hardkill Whatever intelligence you have is corrupted by bias and survival. Which turns intelligence into stupidity.

Everything JP and Shapiro do is survival.

[Hardkill]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

@Hardkill Whatever intelligence you have is corrupted by bias and survival. Which turns intelligence into stupidity.

I see....

I guess that is a very different definition of intelligence than the one that is commonly understood by people.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I see....

I guess that is a very different definition of intelligence than the one that is commonly understood by people.

People are stupid, so of course their definition of intelligence will match their stupidity.

The self-bias runs so deep that it even prevents a proper definition of intelligence.

[Hardkill]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

People are stupid, so of course their definition of intelligence will match their stupidity.

The self-bias runs so deep that it even prevents a proper definition of intelligence.

So, are JP's and Shapiro's lack of true intelligence due to their religious dogma?

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

So, are JP's and Shapiro's lack of true intelligence due to their religious dogma?

As I said, self-bias and survival.

Their epistemology is hopelessly awful. Therefore they will not ever see reality clearly. They are looking at the world through a set of very dirty lenses and they refuse to clean them.

[Hardkill]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

As I said, self-bias and survival.

Their epistemology is hopelessly awful. Therefore they will not ever see reality clearly. They are looking at the world through a set of very dirty lenses and they refuse to clean them.

But what exactly is the root cause of their terrible epistemology, great self-bias, and need to preserve their ego at all costs?

Why do everyday liberals like me have less of an inherent self-bias and rigid survival mindset?

Edited July 3, 2022 by Hardkill

[Devin]

I think attacking the traditions, religious, and religious adjacent, that has been going on, although completely justifiable, is happening a bit too quickly for most of society; and I think this is Peterson's perspective as well, most people are getting left behind.

I'm not sure that's a bad thing though, maybe it will still work out for them someway

Edited July 3, 2022 by Devin

[How to be wise]

On 02/07/2022 at 0:48 AM, Leo Gura said:

It's really quite an embarassment for an intellectual to take Ben Shapiro as anything but a clown.

An intelligent clown. He makes some good arguments against abortion and socialism.

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

But what exactly is the root cause of their terrible epistemology, great self-bias, and need to preserve their ego at all costs?

Fear of death.

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Why do everyday liberals like me have less of an inherent self-bias and rigid survival mindset?

You've got a ton of self-bias and survival dynamics running you. It's just that you were born in part of the country/world where you were programmed with a more developed set of ideas and memes.

It's mostly a function of when and where you were born and how you were raised.

[Hardkill]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Fear of death.

You've got a ton of self-bias and survival dynamics running you. It's just that you were born in part of the country/world where you were programmed with a more developed set of ideas and memes.

It's mostly a function of when and where you were born and how you were raised.

Ah, so JP and Shapiro were born and raised in cultures that influenced them with a less developed set of ideas and memes, whereas people like you and me were born and raised in cultures that influenced us with a more developed set of values and ideology.

Edited July 3, 2022 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Ah, so JP and Shapiro were born and raised in parts of societies that influenced them with less a developed set of ideas and memes.

Obviously they were both brainwashed. There's no way you can be like them without that.

They are unconsciously acting out and defending their brainwashing. They are puppets pulled by invisible strings. They know not what they do.

[Hardkill]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Obviously they were both brainwashed. There's no way you can be like them without that.

They are unconsciously acting out and defending their brainwashing. They are puppets pulled by invisible strings.

It's kinda creepy when you think about it.

I wonder how some people who grew up in a fundamentalist religious environment like in those Mormon sects or Amish areas were actually able to save themselves by leaving their religion and becoming so liberal.

Edited July 3, 2022 by Hardkill