Comparing lucid dreams and waking reality

[Matthew85]

I have had several lucid dreams recently and used the opportunity to investigate the similarities and differences between sleeping and waking reality. All of my senses are the same or even enhanced. For example I have better vision. It's like everything is Hi Def. The laws of physics are often the same too, although sometimes I can fly or levitate objects. There are people, beaches, nature, cities, buildings, cars, food etc all the same as waking reality. Where things begin to fall apart and it becomes obvious it's all my own mind is when I interview someone and ask them a lot of probing questions. Their answers become incoherent or nonsensical and it becomes obvious they are not conscious in the same way I am. An interesting aspect of this is they are much more coherent and believable when I am asleep in the dream but not after I become lucid and examine them closely. Also, it's often very easy for me to manipulate them to do whatever I want. Sort of like a stage hypnotist. Also, the worlds are often not as stable and consistent as waking reality. My lucid dreams are very enjoyable, it's like the best virtual reality. But upon investigation I do realize it's all being created by my mind. An interesting side note is during OBE's I have had, the realties were just as stable and consistent as our waking earth reality. Conversations with people were exactly the same as conversations in our waking reality here. 

This leads to a couple speculations about waking reality. Waking reality is a consensus created shared dream with other conscious beings. When we interact with another, we are interacting with another consciousness, not a NPC. Perhaps there are consensus created realities and realities that are only our independent mind. Or it is still all being generated by our mind, but it's a much more sophisticatedly deigned game to fool us. 

Have any of you explored lucid dreaming? If so, what did you discover? 

[Razard86]

What is OBE?

 

[Matthew85]

@Razard86 Out of body experience. 

[Kksd74628]

@Razard86

An out of body experience. Search more information from google.

[Kksd74628]

@Matthew85

Try to compare dreams to waking life without assumptions and you may see that they are the same. You hit a wall if you try to compare them while thinking that in dream "others" aren't conscious and in waking life they're. You can say how it feels, but that doesn't have anything to do with what it really is. When you see both of these states as an experience you come to place where you can't distinguish them from each others. I did kind of lucid dream in waking life while tripping and I saw that others had very incoherent communication. The problem you have is that you haven't had similar experience in "real life"

-joNi-

[JuliusCaesar]

@Matthew85 How are you inducing lucid dreams?

[Matthew85]

My own investigations, analysis and direct experiences lead me to conclude they are not the same. I believe it is very likely there are consensus created realities and independent created realities. 

[Matthew85]

@JuliusCaesar With the wake back to bed method. Although sometimes they just happen on their own.

[JuliusCaesar]

3 minutes ago, Matthew85 said:

My own investigations, analysis and direct experiences lead me to conclude they are not the same. I believe it is very likely there are consensus created realities and independent created realities. 

Ask yourself this, how do you know the differences between the two are not merely illusory differences?

 

[Matthew85]

1 minute ago, JuliusCaesar said:

Ask yourself this, how do you know the differences between the two are not merely illusory differences?

 

@JuliusCaesar Good point! At some point we have to draw a conclusion based on our experience and analysis. They could be. I am open to the possibility it's just more sophisticated levels of dreaming. 

[Kksd74628]

@Matthew85

The structure problem you're making in your logic is that if you don't know something then you believe to something which makes most sense. You should just leave it empty and relax into not knowing. Beliefs, assumptions and guesses are things which are in your way when you aim to find truths about reality. Assumptions are the things which ground you to some worldview and as long as you keep believing to them your worldview won't change radically and that's essential to get insights into reality.

-joNi-

[Matthew85]

@Leo Gura Have you had any insights about our sleeping dreams during your awakenings? Do you feel the higher mind is imagining both our sleeping and waking realties? What if any distinctions or differences would you make between the two? 

[Matthew85]

Another very interesting phenomena I have observed during lucid dreams is the state I am in has a direct affect on the environment and my interactions with people. I can dramatically alter the environment and my experiences interacting with others by deliberately shifting my emotions and state. I feel the higher mind is communicating something important with this. A similar thing is occurring in this reality too, but we don't make the connection because we don't see an immediate change in the environment the way we do in our sleeping dream realties. 

[Matthew85]

12 minutes ago, AMTO said:

that whenever I tell people it’s a dream, they look at me like I’m mental ? 

@AMTO You mean if you become lucid in your dream and try to tell people this is a dream they look at you like you are mental? I've haven't experienced that. When I become lucid I play along when talking with others like I don't know I am in a dream. 

15 minutes ago, AMTO said:

that light switches never work, that writing never makes sense

Haven't had light switches not working but I have noticed writing being hard to read or letters and numbers changing. Not sure why that happens. 

[Matthew85]

@AMTO That is an interesting phenomena. Once I become lucid and interview people I don't find them very intelligent and often they become nonsensical. I have brought back some great pieces of wisdom from dream characters but they were not from lucid dreams. Exploring and investigating dreams is so interesting. 

Edited July 3, 2022 by Matthew85

[Matthew85]

@AMTO Trying experimenting with changing your state and see if it affects your environment.