What does it mean to be human?

[Nilsi]

It seems to me when we talk about "loving life" and "living well," we talk about it at auch an universal level that the actual living of life gets kind of perverted.

The human is like an instrument to express oneself through, but in the same way that mastering the piano produces different music than mastering the trumpet say, the humans design must have some kind of purpose, no?

When we talk about consciousness and creativity and health and so on as meaningful things to pursue, I can't help but see the obvious liability that the human is in this case. I might as well be an AI and do all these things better.

I'm curious if you see the human as nothing more than an inconvenience that must be overcome, so as not to interfere with ones existence or if you see a way to live a meaningful Human-Life - because I kind of refuse to see myself as a liability. In that case why live at all?

Why don't we just embrace our humanness and try to figure out what is uniquely ours to do instead of just waiting for the inevitable progress to leave us behind as just another step that had to be overcome?

 

Edited June 23, 2022 by Nilsi

[Nilsi]

Also, the fact that when I leave the house there are so many humans everywhere, makes me suspicious that there could be something more meaningful to do than just all pass by each other, locked in our own reality tunnel, not even acknowledging the fact that we are all in this space together. 

I know this sounds so fucking cheesy but it feels so right. We might never actually get to a point where we coordinate in a meaningful way that increases the qualify of life for all beings on this planet but I can't help but think "What if?" Over and over again. How could this not be our highest goal?

 

Edited June 23, 2022 by Nilsi

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, Nilsi said:

It seems to me when we talk about "loving life" and "living well," we talk about it at auch an universal level that the actual living of life gets kind of perverted.

The human is like an instrument to express oneself through, but in the same way that mastering the piano produces different music than mastering the trumpet say, the humans design must have some kind of purpose, no?

When we talk about consciousness and creativity and health and so on as meaningful things to pursue, I can't help but see the obvious liability that the human is in this case. I might as well be an AI and do all these things better.

I'm curious if you see the human as nothing more than an inconvenience that must be overcome, so as not to interfere with ones existence or if you see a way to live a meaningful Human-Life - because I kind of refuse to see myself as a liability. In that case why live at all?

Why don't we just embrace our humanness and try to figure out what is uniquely ours to do instead of just waiting for the inevitable progress to leave us behind as just another step that had to be overcome?

 

You are literally doing what you are complaining about. What it means to be human? That question is answered by every human that has ever lived and is currently being answered by every human currently existing.  An A.I. couldn't do what I just described.

A.I'.s are given a specific limited finite design. You as a human and all those before and after you have the ability to express themselves in an infinite number of ways. So the answer to your question is YOU! The answer to every question is ultimately YOU!

So stop despairing....unless that is what being human means to you. In fact it probably is....so go despair away...enjoy all your despair until you get sick of it. Then revel in the mastery that is your life!! The masterpiece you have created and currently create every moment. Who cares if you don't even see it, The Universe sees it and feels it.

Edited June 23, 2022 by Razard86

[Nilsi]

@JoeVolcano  @Razard86 I know, I know, I know. We have the best possible arrangement here. It's just the inner child that sometimes cry's out of me. I'm not about despair at all, I just seem to be drawn to this place when I'm frustrated. Thanks for taking the time to read through this nonsense I really appreciate that I can just come here and say what's on my mind and not be judged for it. Definitely not something to take for granted.

[Nilsi]

22 hours ago, Judy2 said:

@Nilsi Have you thought about what you might wanna contribute??

Sure I have. I used to be a music producer and I always wanted to become a movie director but I'm slowly transitioning to becoming a writer as that probably integrates my skills and interests best. Though there is another side of me that feels somewhat called to become a great leader and I definitely feel like I have that in me, but as I get more "mature," the need to be the best and be on top of the world slowly recedes and I really just want to have a more or less chill life in which I can just focus on being creative and solving problems while not being too much in the spotlight.

[Breakingthewall]

being human is a problem that must be solved. being a tuna, or a dog, is not a problem, being human is. It is a very complex puzzle, a labyrinth with a thousand traps. human being is the point between the animal and god, and is dysfunctional by nature.

Being human is a challenge.

Edited June 24, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, JoeVolcano said:

Being human means fabricating a conundrum about what it means to be human? 

being human means solving the conundrum, or wallowing in your own shit

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, JoeVolcano said:

But if the solution is that there never was a conundrum... Then it was all just pointless drama, wasn't it.

do you think so? Sounds like a riddle made by a genius to me. each life, a different one. Hidden, deep, brilliantly difficult. with each trap in its exact place. a game of maximum difficulty that you have to play until the end

[Nilsi]

11 hours ago, JoeVolcano said:

What it means to be human is exactly what you see around you and what has always been the case: Pointless drama. 

Not necessarily, of course. You can develop out of that, and some do. And you could argue that's what it really means to be human. But when you look around at the defacto situation, all across the world and all throughout history, the overwhelming evidence suggests something very different. And that can't be a mistake. And it's not likely to change any time soon, if ever.

Well yes thats the pathology of it. I dont see that as innately human, we have gone off-course and thats exactly where I would like to nudge us away from.

We need to organise ourselves in smaller tribes (<150 people) to have a meaningful communal life. Im not some kind of romatic though, far from it, so Im not saying lets destroy all technology. The digital is exactly what enables this kind of organisation and what makes big cities obsolete, as we can live in our tribe and still work and connect with everyone else in the digital realm. The only reason we organised ourselves into big cities is because of Metcalfes law (the value or utility of a network is proportional to the square of the users of the network; meaning there is an exponential increase of value for a linear increase in citizens) and the digital is way more suited for that.

These tribes would be a fractal of the mega-tribe that is humanity; meaning there is essentially no scale to governance; the way the tribe is organised is the same way the whole is organised. This would probably be archetypal; meaning all essential roles a community needs would be met on a human level in the tribe and on an archetypal level in the mega-tribe.

At every 10 tribes or so there could be a new emergent cultural property like a university or a nightclub or whatever. At every 100 tribes a new emergent property, and so on.

Governance would work the same way, with every human in the tribe having a vote for issues regarding the tribe. Every tribe having a vote regarding policy for their university and so on.

I think every other way of doing things is just suboptimal and pathological and will thus self-terminate sooner or later.

As for how to get there, I have no fucking idea  But Ill try to figure it out.

Edited June 25, 2022 by Nilsi