Thoughts Don’t Simply Create Reality

[StarStruck]

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No action = nothing. Action is what does the creating. Thoughts create in the mind, then actions create in reality what started in thought. Thought itself, or consciousness itself does not create reality, contrary to what some New Ager and pseudo-spiritualist people want you to believe.

Very short article: there is an interesting graph explaining his position, in the link

https://evolveconsciousness.org/thoughts-dont-simply-create-reality/

Do you agree that it is an oversimplification to say "everything is made out of consciousness"?

[Dazgwny]

Backwards. The actions one acts out are determined by the state of consciousness one resides in

[aurum]

This is how a materialist interprets the Law of Attraction.

He is very wrong.

[Carl-Richard]

29 minutes ago, aurum said:

This is how a materialist interprets the Law of Attraction.

He is very wrong.

Is he even talking about LOA? The "article" is so vague that I can't tell.

[Razard86]

Poor guy his starting premise was flawed. He said "It is not simply that what we think happens. We have to choose which thoughts to ACT upon."

Choice is a thought. LOL!!!! Poor guy!!! Oh well he will learn one day!!

[aurum]

11 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Is he even talking about LOA? The "article" is so vague that I can't tell.

My guess is yes since “thoughts create reality” is a common expression central to LOA teachings. And then materialists usually respond with comments like these, thinking they’ve debunked LOA.

In his defense, action of course does matter in manifestation. And if a belief like this encourages you to take important action, then I suppose it might serve.

[Carl-Richard]

56 minutes ago, aurum said:

My guess is yes since “thoughts create reality” is a common expression central to LOA teachings. And then materialists usually respond with comments like these, thinking they’ve debunked LOA.

In his defense, action of course does matter in manifestation. And if a belief like this encourages you to take important action, then I suppose it might serve.

I mean, I can obviously infer that, but based on a purely analytic interpretation of what he wrote, it's unclear whether he is talking about LOA or some kind of deeper metaphysical inquiry.

Maybe the most embarassing thing about this is that anybody with a tiny bit of psychology knowledge should understand how LOA works at a basic level. It doesn't require any woo-woo.

[Fernanda]

Understanding is action, perception acts. Just notice that.

[Galyna]

7 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Very short article: there is an interesting graph explaining his position, in the link

https://evolveconsciousness.org/thoughts-dont-simply-create-reality/

Do you agree that it is an oversimplification to say "everything is made out of consciousness"?

Stimulus based on desire, regular thought won't produce any action, and might stay latent. Otherwise every thought would lead to manifestation, this in turn, would be a disaster. 

everything is made out of consciousness----it is literally consciousness, remove the word "made". There is no fine line, everything is absolutely an appearance within consciousness, which is in turn consciousness. 

White piece of paper with bunch of printed letters on it, are letters made out of paper? Or are they a paper with blank ink on it? So black ink is a appearance created for a purpose there, to separate and make sense. 

[Rokazulu]

Like everything that most anyone says, they speak truthfully and yet assume it is applies objectively in all cases.

To say the idea that "thoughts create reality is new age BS" is assuming that it has no truth to it at all, which even the writer quickly reveals that it does have some truth to it, if we clarify the understanding with action.

Its so easy to cut a concept down completely, by saying a single word. Yet, growth rarely occurs that way.
Better would be to trim the edges.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Rokazulu

[Leo Gura]

No one said that human imagination or thoughts create physical reality.

Your couch is imaginary, but you as a human are not thinking it up nor in charge of it.

Consciousness/imagination extends far beyond human intention.

If you access the highest levels of consciousness you will see that your couch is imaginary. That does not however mean that you will be able to manipulate it with your ego.

[bambi]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No one said that human imagination or thoughts create physical reality.

Your couch is imaginary, but you as a human are not thinking it up nor in charge of it.

Consciousness/imagination extends far beyond human intention.

If you access the highest levels of consciousness you will see that your couch is imaginary. That does not however mean that you will be able to manipulate it with your ego.

Why isnt the ego and God working together, lol

Seems absurd, either this life is a random dumb permutation of randomness, and the ego is just a random epi-phenomenon stuck in prison

Or there is a meta-game or purpose going on here, and this life is hihgly engineered for the ego by God

[Nilsi]

3 hours ago, bambi said:

Why isnt the ego and God working together, lol

Seems absurd, either this life is a random dumb permutation of randomness, and the ego is just a random epi-phenomenon stuck in prison

Or there is a meta-game or purpose going on here, and this life is hihgly engineered for the ego by God

Because by definition the ego is something less than God. If the ego and God would be working together they would be completely congruent and in that case there would be no ego.

What ego means is really just a finite self-image and the finite can not possibly have the same intention as the infinite.

Its not absurd, nor dumb nor random. Dont demonize the ego, that will only create pathology and lead to escapism. Realise what you are and then you will stop seing the ego as being stuck in prison. 

You are God engineering your ego, thats why it fits you so perfectly.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Nilsi

[StarStruck]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No one said that human imagination or thoughts create physical reality.

Your couch is imaginary, but you as a human are not thinking it up nor in charge of it.

Consciousness/imagination extends far beyond human intention.

If you access the highest levels of consciousness you will see that your couch is imaginary. That does not however mean that you will be able to manipulate it with your ego.

Understanding things as a human is difficult enough ?

You said you see yourself as God more than once (and that you transcended your ego), doesn't that mean you will have super natural abilities?

Edit:

If I remember correctly you even have a video on extra ordinary paranormal abilities:

 

Edited June 22, 2022 by StarStruck

[axiom]

9 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

Understanding things as a human is difficult enough ?

You said you see yourself as God more than once (and that you transcended your ego), doesn't that mean you will have super natural abilities?

Edit:

If I remember correctly you even have a video on extra ordinary paranormal abilities.

< That video looks like it's five years old.

A human is a thought put in motion by God. Like all thoughts, it rises up and passes away. It has no autonomy of its own.

[StarStruck]

21 hours ago, axiom said:

< That video looks like it's five years old.

A human is a thought put in motion by God. Like all thoughts, it rises up and passes away. It has no autonomy of its own.

are you sure @Leo Gura

Edited June 23, 2022 by StarStruck