Leo - Why the need for pyschedelics

[bambi]

@Leo Gura

Our current experience is being constructed from a top down intelligence. If this intelligence is so intelligent, and wants to experience high states of consciousness, or if it wants to increase its baseline state of consciousness, it should be able to do it instantaneously without the need for any psychedelics, furthermore if for some reason the game was to have to take them first, when you become so conscious and powerful why can't you consciously increase your baseline? Something isnt adding up etc etc

Something isn't adding up with this old increase your consciousness omnipotent thing: either you are literally God and become omnipotent and can increase your state of conciousness there and then without needing to keep taking psychedelics, or you can't and its another illusion

[Thought Art]

These concious state don't allow you to really change anything about the game. They make you more aware, more loving and sort of just understanding the fabric of what Conciousness is. A total understanding.

Yet, temporal and useless. 

[bambi]

7 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

These concious state don't allow you to really change anything about the game. They make you more aware, more loving and sort of just understanding the fabric of what Conciousness is. A total understanding.

Yet, temporal and useless. 

doesnt make sense still, because the game is yourself, in fact none of this consciousness exploration ultimately makes any sense if the more conscious you become you still lack any sort of control or effect or will how does this equate to God.  If you are God, and its better to have a higher baseline state of consciousness, this would happen instantaneously and we wouldn't even be on this forum talking about it, the whole thing doesn't add up, something is missing

[amanen]

You aren't conscious enough to experience these high states of consciousness simply by desiring to do so due to the self-imposed limitations that you need to remove with tools like psychedelics.

If you were more conscious you wouldn't need psychedelics, but you aren't, so you are limited by imaginary limitations. You not being able to change your state at will is one of these imaginary limitations.

[Breakingthewall]

because it is impossible to understand a system from the inside, and psychedelics take you out of the system

[Jodistrict]

Because in modern times, we are faced with multiple contaminations that close off our third eye.  A shaman in Mexico told me that he has to give significantly more ayahuasca to people who live in the United States than Mexicans for them to enter into their journey.  He believes it is because of the water.    The US puts fluoride and other chemicals in the water.   In Mexico, people don’t drink the tap water.  They buy water in five-gallon jugs, with the water purified at the source.  The bottled water doesn’t go through pipes and thus doesn’t have all the chemicals in the US water or have fluoride added.  

Fluoride causes pineal gland calcification, cutting you off from your intuition and third eye.

      https://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/what-to-know-about-calcification-of-the-pineal-gland#:~:text=A research study done in,a hard shell called calcification.

https://medium.com/mystic-minds/i-can-see-clearly-424cfe0196c1

In addition to all the chemicals, we are saturated with information, most of it useless or negative.   We are raised in materialistic societies that focuses all our attention outward.  Our minds are abused and blocked.  We live in cities and are out of contact with nature.  It is of interest to worldly powers to limit our consciousness to control us.  

Our ancestors were much more connected with their intuition and themselves.   As evidenced in ancient sacred texts, people would talk to gods, have visions, and intuit revelations of ultimate truth, like the rishis did. 

 

 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Jodistrict

[Carl-Richard]

You're projecting human traits like metacognition and free will onto God.

God just is. Creativity is its essence.

[Kksd74628]

@bambi

I felt like I would start tripping from nothing after my first trip not too long ago. Could or couldn't I have done that only jesus knows the answer for that . You are so powerful already that you can up your base level and funny thing is that all you need to do is to sit and idle. The main question I am going to let you to contemplate. What if god can do whatever it likes, but limited ego - you - just dissagrees on what is the best thing to do?

-joNi-

[Bobby_2021]

Intelligence is so infinitely intelligent that it can hide things from itself.

Psychedelics helps you see through that for a moment. 

[bambi]

11 hours ago, bambi said:

@Leo Gura

Our current experience is being constructed from a top down intelligence. If this intelligence is so intelligent, and wants to experience high states of consciousness, or if it wants to increase its baseline state of consciousness, it should be able to do it instantaneously without the need for any psychedelics, furthermore if for some reason the game was to have to take them first, when you become so conscious and powerful why can't you consciously increase your baseline? Something isnt adding up etc etc

Something isn't adding up with this old increase your consciousness omnipotent thing: either you are literally God and become omnipotent and can increase your state of conciousness there and then without needing to keep taking psychedelics, or you can't and its another illusion

@Leo Gura any response? If you become omnipotent, in this state of omnipotence, why don't you remove the need for pyschedelics, and instantaneously increase your baseline permentatly, do you see what isn't making sense here?

[Batman]

56 minutes ago, bambi said:

@Leo Gura any response? If you become omnipotent, in this state of omnipotence, why don't you remove the need for pyschedelics, and instantaneously increase your baseline permentatly, do you see what isn't making sense here?

You are not making sense, because you haven't awoke. You think that from Absolute Consciousness you would care about some finite self? When you are conscious you are infinite, there is just no point in creating a better experience for a speck of a dream in an infinite dream.

Don't humanize Consciousness. There is no self agenda to Consciousness because Consciousness has no self.

[bambi]

5 hours ago, Batman said:

You are not making sense, because you haven't awoke. You think that from Absolute Consciousness you would care about some finite self? When you are conscious you are infinite, there is just no point in creating a better experience for a speck of a dream in an infinite dream.

Don't humanize Consciousness. There is no self agenda to Consciousness because Consciousness has no self.

Notice how this makes conciousness dumb and random. And your finite self smart purposeful and intelligence

You think this incarnation or instantion of conciousness called your life, is completely and utterly random, meaningless, pointless? 

 

Mr @Leo Gura can you answer my questions please, theyre only small, or if your not sure please just say, would be grateful for your input

[Kksd74628]

@bambi

Just contemplate the question I previously gave to you. Leo couldn't give any simpler answer and you shouldn't use him as your authority anyways.

-joNi-

[bambi]

35 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

@bambi

Just contemplate the question I previously gave to you. Leo couldn't give any simpler answer and you shouldn't use him as your authority anyways.

-joNi-

Already contemplated years ago, doesn't lead to any answers, creates division and distinction between you and God, please don't perturb the discource

[Batman]

2 hours ago, bambi said:

Notice how this makes conciousness dumb and random. And your finite self smart purposeful and intelligence

You think this incarnation or instantion of conciousness called your life, is completely and utterly random, meaningless, pointless? 

No, it doesn't. You are over conceptualizing the matter. Consciousness has no quality or limitation. Which means it is infinite, nothing and everything at same time. The mind (which includes the intellect) is only a limited manifestation of Consciousness. 

Meaning and purpose are relative notions, you create them to the benefit of survival and self-agenda. To Consciousness, the all universe can crumble and it wouldn't matter. It doesn't depend on any manifestation of form, whether physical form or mental form.

Your experience of life is not separated from Consciousness. It is precisely how Consciousness manifests just by being "itself". Your life doesn't exist on its own accord. It is just how Consciousness manifests as relative phenomena. And yes, your life is completely meaningless. But meaningless life doesn't have a negative charge, because meaningless is also devoid of negative or positive meaning whatsoever. See this as the freedom to choose what meaning you assign to your life.

So yes, even though biological life and human existence is astonishing and brilliant, it is simply how Infinity looks like "from the inside". 

[Razard86]

Lol all of you in this thread are wasting your time. He is not going to accept any answer you guys give him. Notice what he is saying he wants? He wants control. This entire thread is a desire for control. Unless you can give him an answer as to why he doesn't have full control....he won't accept it.

I'm only commenting because I know all of you are well meaning and are going to keep trying to explain to him about Love, and selflessness, etc. He has no desire for any of that. He wants to be all-powerful and have complete control. Be glad that Source doesn't think like that at the highest level.

[bambi]

5 minutes ago, Batman said:

No, it doesn't. You are over conceptualizing the matter. Consciousness has no quality or limitation. Which means it is infinite, nothing and everything at same time. The mind (which includes the intellect) is only a limited manifestation of Consciousness. 

Meaning and purpose are relative notions, you create them to the benefit of survival and self-agenda. To Consciousness, the all universe can crumble and it wouldn't matter. It doesn't depend on any manifestation of form, whether physical form or mental form.

Your experience of life is not separated from Consciousness. It is precisely how Consciousness manifests just by being "itself". Your life doesn't exist on its own accord. It is just how Consciousness manifests as relative phenomena. And yes, your life is completely meaningless. But meaningless life doesn't have a negative charge, because meaningless is also devoid of negative or positive meaning whatsoever. See this as the freedom to choose what meaning you assign to your life.

So yes, even though biological life and human existence is astonishing and brilliant, it is simply how Infinity looks like "from the inside". 

No, you don't know what your talking about, Im sorry, whilst most of what you say is true, it's just a statement of words you've read elsewhere.

It doesnt address anything im asking or saying

[bambi]

Just now, Razard86 said:

Lol all of you in this thread are wasting your time. He is not going to accept any answer you guys give him. Notice what he is saying he wants? He wants control. This entire thread is a desire for control. Unless you can give him an answer as to why he doesn't have full control....he won't accept it.

I'm only commenting because I know all of you are well meaning and are going to keep trying to explain to him about Love, and selflessness, etc. He has no desire for any of that. He wants to be all-powerful and have complete control. Be glad that Source doesn't think like that at the highest level.

This also doesnt address anything Im asking or saying, and heres something for you to consider:

 

1) God has no control

2) God has control