A little critique to Leo's style on the forum

[thisintegrated]

42 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What's INTJ?

MBTI personality type.

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

MBTI personality type.

I didn't know what that is .so I just googled it .

What are the main characteristics of this personality type? Does it involve the person being blunt and bold and careless and lacks compassion and emotional intelligence?  Because these are the characteristics that I'm critical of leo here. 

[thisintegrated]

8 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I didn't know what that is .so I just googled it .

What are the main characteristics of this personality type? Does it involve the person being blunt and bold and careless and lacks compassion and emotional intelligence?  Because these are the characteristics that I'm critical of leo here. 

blunt and bold - Yeah

careless - In terms of being aware of how others feel and how others perceive him? Yeah

lacks compassion - Yeah

lacks emotional intelligence - INTJs usually understand emotions okay, they just don't care how you feel.  They're emotionally introverted.  I don't think anyone could argue that Leo's emotionally extroverted, but it's shocking just how many here assume he's an INTP (INTPs are extroverted feelers).

Edited May 30, 2022 by thisintegrated

[Someone here]

13 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

blunt and bold - Yeah

careless - In terms of being aware of how others feel and how others perceive him? Yeah

lacks compassion - Yeah

lacks emotional intelligence - INTJs usually understand emotions okay, they just don't care how you feel.  They're emotionally introverted.  I don't think anyone could argue that Leo's emotionally extroverted, but it's shocking just how many here assume he's an INTP (INTPs are extroverted feelers).

Yeah all of these for Leo perfectly.

He is overly analytical and judgmental

Dislikes talking about emotions

Sometimes seems callous or insensitive.

Those are some of the characteristics I found when I Googled this personality type .

I'm a bit new to this model ..but can a person actually change his personality type According to this model and gain or lose new characteristics? 

[puporing]

@Someone here

12 minutes ago, Someone here said:

can a person actually change his personality type According to this model and gain or lose new characteristics? 

Absolutely! It's not "set in stone", just like where you sort of are on Spiral dynamics model. I used to be INTJ, like 10 years ago. Now I'm INFP.

Edited May 30, 2022 by puporing

[thisintegrated]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I'm a bit new to this model ..but can a person actually change his personality type According to this model and gain or lose new characteristics? 

No.  Though they can develop weak functions more or form a different outward "personality" over time.

MBTI is about cognitive preferences, which strongly influence personality.  Cognitive function order doesn't change, but personality can.

Edited May 30, 2022 by thisintegrated

[Someone here]

11 minutes ago, puporing said:

@Someone here

Absolutely! It's not "set in stone", just like where you sort of are on Spiral dynamics model. I used to be INTJ.

And what do you classify yourself now ?

9 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

No.  Though they can develop weak functions more or form a different outward "personality" over time.

MBTI is about cognitive preferences, which strongly influence personality.  Cognitive function order doesn't change, but personality can.

 

Why not ?The desire to alter personality is not uncommon. Shy people might wish they were more outgoing and talkative. Hot-tempered individuals might wish they could keep their cool in emotionally charged situations.

I think it's possible to change your personality, its not like our basic personality patterns fixed throughout life? 

But what if you want to change your personality? Can the right approach and hard work lead to real personality change, or are we stuck with undesirable traits that hold us back from achieving our goals.

I think anyone can change his /her personality

The constant interaction between genetics and the environment can help shape how personality is expressed. For example, you might be genetically predisposed to being friendly and laid back, but working in a high-stress environment might lead you to be more short-tempered and uptight than you might be in a different setting.

[puporing]

31 minutes ago, Someone here said:

And what do you classify yourself now ?

52 minutes ago, puporing said:

I used to be INTJ, like 10 years ago. Now I'm INFP.

About changing and not changing its obvious people can evolve. If this wasn't the case this work wouldn't even exist. And God is a master of shape-shifting.

Trust your own intuition and find out the truth on things

Edited May 30, 2022 by puporing

[thisintegrated]

37 minutes ago, Someone here said:

And what do you classify yourself now ?

 

Why not ?The desire to alter personality is not uncommon. Shy people might wish they were more outgoing and talkative. Hot-tempered individuals might wish they could keep their cool in emotionally charged situations.

I think it's possible to change your personality, its not like our basic personality patterns fixed throughout life? 

But what if you want to change your personality? Can the right approach and hard work lead to real personality change, or are we stuck with undesirable traits that hold us back from achieving our goals.

I think anyone can change his /her personality

The constant interaction between genetics and the environment can help shape how personality is expressed. For example, you might be genetically predisposed to being friendly and laid back, but working in a high-stress environment might lead you to be more short-tempered and uptight than you might be in a different setting.

omg this damn forum deleted all I wrote again..

 

Basically.. functions are hardware, personality is software.

If you're older than 5, 0% chance of you changing your cognitive preferences.

You can change the entire OS if you want, but you won't manage to change the hardware.

 

An ENTP at stage Red is still equally an ENTP at stage Turquoise, after a thousand enlightenments he'll still be an ENTP.

[Someone here]

@thisintegrated I think The environment you are in shapes your personality in a certain way, forcing you to develop traits and habits that might be foreign to your type. For instance, if you are naturally casual and spontaneous (Prospecting), but your work schedule is very structured and your manager is obsessive about schedules, your preferences are likely to change. However, you will probably switch back to being a Prospecting individual as soon as you leave that job. The same rule applies to other traits as well.

Do you mean  your basic personality type cannot change ?however, you can (and should!) change the aspects of your personality that you are unhappy with. By doing this you will strengthen your shadow traits and become a more well-rounded individual, even though your dominant traits will still remain the same. Such a change could be triggered by either the environment you are in or your own will . to each his own.

 

[thisintegrated]

13 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@thisintegrated I think The environment you are in shapes your personality in a certain way, forcing you to develop traits and habits that might be foreign to your type. For instance, if you are naturally casual and spontaneous (Prospecting), but your work schedule is very structured and your manager is obsessive about schedules, your preferences are likely to change. However, you will probably switch back to being a Prospecting individual as soon as you leave that job. The same rule applies to other traits as well.

You don't gain a preference for waking up early just because school starts early.

If your boss is a dick, you don't adapt to liking dicks (tho I can't speak for you).

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

If your boss is a dick, you don't adapt to liking dicks (tho I can't speak for you).

Nice one 

[integral]

3 hours ago, puporing said:

@Someone here

Absolutely! It's not "set in stone", just like where you sort of are on Spiral dynamics model. I used to be INTJ, like 10 years ago. Now I'm INFP.

INTJ as suspected.  Green INTJ will look nothing like the description MBTI gives of the centered orange INTJ, also feminine and masculine and many other factors, this is why description of types are completely misleading. 

Edited May 30, 2022 by integral

[thisintegrated]

32 minutes ago, integral said:

INTJ as suspected.  Green INTJ will look nothing like the description MBTI gives of the centered orange INTJ

This.

[puporing]

46 minutes ago, integral said:

INTJ as suspected.  Green INTJ will look nothing like the description MBTI gives of the centered orange INTJ, also feminine and masculine and many other factors, this is why description of types are completely misleading. 

This is not some black and white model nor complete. It's just a reference, and more concepts. The goal is to drop all models in the end. Whatever somebody scores on that test is pretty pointless and a distraction to your own growth.

Edited May 30, 2022 by puporing

[integral]

@puporing Are you familiar with Integral Theory by Ken Wilber? 

[integral]

27 minutes ago, puporing said:

Whatever somebody scores on that test is pretty pointless and a distraction to your own growth.

I look at it as another tool in ones box to understand one self and others. It definitely an issue if its used as a label to define oneself as, a limiter. 

[puporing]

1 hour ago, integral said:

I look at it as another tool in ones box to understand one self and others. It definitely an issue if its used as a label to define oneself as, a limiter. 

Yes of course, but you were using it to label people with and projecting yourself onto them which is not healthy. Even when I straight up share the results I got to make a different point to @Someone here,  all you're doing is derailing the original point I was trying to make about people undergoing growth and evolution. You're getting distracted by concepts and labels and not seeing the bigger picture in this conversation.

1 hour ago, integral said:

@puporing Are you familiar with Integral Theory by Ken Wilber? 

Yes. It's still a map, just like all of Leo's videos.

Edited May 31, 2022 by puporing

[Razard86]

23 hours ago, Loba said:

I think he could work on his Fe a bit more, if he did, his followers would start to as well and then this place would be warm, welcoming, etc.

I think a lot of people here, me included are lost on how to properly use Fe - I didn't learn it growing up.  I don't exist in an environment at home that promotes kind behaviour either.  It is strict and very verbally rude, on all sides.

It would be interesting to go on an Fe journey with everyone.

My main thing is his comments about women make me feel insecure.  If he could be more respectful towards that, as someone here who isn't a perfect woman by any means, I think he needs to be more lenient towards his expectations of women in the world.  We don't live in a woman's world.  It's hard to learn to be feminine.

 

Respectfully....what is Fe?

[Razard86]

11 hours ago, Someone here said:

Yea people sometimes make stupid threads but why does Leo not show compassion to his followers when some of them make a stupid post.

You see the poster doesn't think of his post as stupid, otherwise he would not post it. But it's only stupid from Leo's pov . I suffered from this myself. Often Leo locks my threads and leave Me an insult or at least a bad toned comment. Why is that?  Is it necessary? Is it gonna help the user grow?

legit guru has compassion for the person they're triggering and is there to help them integrate things afterward.  A fake guru just wants to one-up others and feel superior like a narcissist does and will drop the person they triggered due to lack of genuine compassion or interest in helping that person.  A fake guru is thinking about themselves, shoring up their own sense of absent self-worth and significance, by faking to be above others any way they can get away with. 

I'm not saying Leo is like that .but sometimes he really shock me with his irresponsible attitude towards some members here .including me.

 

You seriously need to watch his video on being a devil....you are being a devil right now. You are literally just criticizing and not even remotely trying to understand his position. Most people with his type of following don't even get access to the person without shelling out like tons of cash. I mean you can literally direct message him on the forum. You couldn't do that with a Sadhguru or Eckhart Tolle. Also additionally stop putting him on a pedestal. Spirituality teaches you don't put someone down or up you look at them as an equal. Leo is your equal, he is just further along on his journey than you. Obviously on the Meta level he IS YOU. So stop saying what he should do....and BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE. 

Also what everybody said is true, you can literally find out the majority of the answers to your questions if you look. Rupert Spira talks about some of this stuff, Sadhguru, Tolle, etc. There are also a ton of lesser known Spirituality people out there with great articles. You can read passages from Buddha, Jesus, etc. Leo is just a resource like anybody else, he is supposed to be your example. He studies other sources, I mean he has a video about the freaking Aztecs!!! So follow his example and study other sources as well. 

If you look to him to spoon feed you....you will starve. The only part I agree with you on is his responses are short...but in his most recent post he actually wrote quite a lot. If you want to ask him questions just send him a message on the forums. But I would suggest trying to find the answer first before you ask him so it can be a well-thought out question.