21 dead in an elementry school shooting

[Preety_India]

@Loba I swear never heard so many shootings in any other country than the land of the guns and the free. 

[Loba]

@Preety_India  We're all a bunch of crazy bishes over here in the U S of A.

Edited June 2, 2022 by Loba

[Danioover9000]

@Loba

51 minutes ago, Loba said:

@Preety_India  We're all a bunch of crazy bishes over here in the U S of A.

   Nice art work. Is that yours? How did you make it?

[Razard86]

On 5/25/2022 at 4:20 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@Razard86

   At this point, honestly the problem is so big it doesn't matter what race, gender or age of the main group causing the gun issues that are causing a very particular problem. More importantly is we got to come up with solutions to effectively regulate guns. That's it. Even taking into consideration the value systems, cognitive and moral development, psychology, personalities, states of being and life experiences, we still need more regulation.

   And don't ask in this worded way. Why? it makes you look like you want to paint the user@DocWatts  in a bad light. Naughty.

To solve a problem you need to be specific. I can't just say men are doing things. I need to know the details. Is it young men, old men, juveniles, etc. Also gun control doesn't work, it hasn't worked for over 30+ years....so trying that solution won't solve anything. An issue like this you need to look into it in great detail to find viable solutions. The truth is the solution is actually simple, but collectively America is not ready for it. So truth be told out country is going to continue doing this for another 30+ years minimum. 

P.S. the rest of the world solved this problem very easily, we are the only Modernized Country that has this issue.

[Preety_India]

@Razard86 what's the solution?

[Razard86]

51 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Razard86 what's the solution?

Get rid of all the guns. Every major Modern Country got rid of all guns and only allow hunting rifles. The hunting rifle permit is expensive and the weapon came only be used in approved areas. The average human is not competent to handle hand guns, people can barely handle cars and we think they can handle guns? Guns are weapons of mass destruction. I can walk into a neighborhood with a handgun and take out several people before someone could shoot me dead. But currently at this time the NRA has too much political power, many people are stuck on their Amendment Rights, so America is going to have to watch mass school shootings for at least 2 to 3 more decades before anything meaningful will be done. 

This shows collectively where America is on gun ownership. Americans in general do not like mass shootings. But they are not ready yet collectively to get rid of their guns. It is what it is. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

Look how the other countries dealt with gun violence. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/europe/gun-laws-australia-britain.html

There are tons of studies that have been done. The verdict is out. Giving a human being access to a gun is way too much power. I have the ability to end someone's life at a whim. Don't get me started how there isn't even a requirement for people to go to gun ranges and learn how to aim either. We have driving tests for cars, but no certification on aiming and gun maintenance either? So some people have no aiming ability and when they feel threatened they kill innocent bystanders. Some people have bought their guns and never fired it. So they have no idea how to handle it and misfires can happen. Then there is the issue with it being too easy for suicidal people to get guns and off themselves and in some rare cases....commit murder suicide.

But hey its fine eventually America will learn. We just need some more time...and some more bodies.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

 

[Hardkill]

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[something_else]

2 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Get rid of all the guns

The problem is that there are already so many of them

There are more guns than people in the US, thats absolutely nuts.

How do you get rid of nearly 350 million guns?

[Danioover9000]

@something_else

14 hours ago, something_else said:

The problem is that there are already so many of them

There are more guns than people in the US, thats absolutely nuts.

How do you get rid of nearly 350 million guns?

   At this point, America has to employ soft forms of manipulation, aka advertising or educating people about guns, their danger ect, as just enabling a prohibition off the bat would spark strong backlash. Keep on programming gun control for 50-100 years on, while coming up with a plan to reduce gun sales locally, maybe produce guns that malfunction or introduce more regulation.

[Razard86]

18 hours ago, something_else said:

The problem is that there are already so many of them

There are more guns than people in the US, thats absolutely nuts.

How do you get rid of nearly 350 million guns?

Like I said, its a decision the Country at large has to make. The government cannot come to this conclusion it has to be done by the people. When the Australian government ASKED its citizens to sell their guns to them after a horrific school shooting the citizens did it WILLINGLY. Sadly as a country we are not there yet. The truth of the matter no law has ever successful stopped anything all laws do is suppress. The U.S.'s war on Drugs has been an absolute failure and is basically a money dump every year in both the National Budget and the State budget around the country every year and has had severe social economic results because of the discriminatory fashion it has been enforced. 

So the only way to change behavior enmasse is to change the CULTURE! Its the only way...

[something_else]

13 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Like I said, its a decision the Country at large has to make. The government cannot come to this conclusion it has to be done by the people. When the Australian government ASKED its citizens to sell their guns to them after a horrific school shooting the citizens did it WILLINGLY. Sadly as a country we are not there yet. The truth of the matter no law has ever successful stopped anything all laws do is suppress. The U.S.'s war on Drugs has been an absolute failure and is basically a money dump every year in both the National Budget and the State budget around the country every year and has had severe social economic results because of the discriminatory fashion it has been enforced. 

So the only way to change behavior enmasse is to change the CULTURE! Its the only way...

I agree. But culture change is very difficult to force. I hope to god the US can make it, but it does not seem likely even in the near to mid-distant future

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

I agree. But culture change is very difficult to force. I hope to god the US can make it, but it does not seem likely even in the near to mid-distant future

I agree but Leo made a point that I had the same idea about. People change very quickly when it impacts them. The Rich and Elite are able to not care because the danger has no encroached upon them. But who is to say that it won't if they don't make certain changes? 

[Preety_India]

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