21 dead in an elementry school shooting

[Fleetinglife]

Very dark, non-PC like humor cartoon I found circulating online - I don't know if it will be struck down for inappropriate content on the forum regarding it's policy - but I thought I'd share it since it illustrates the despairing and hopeless cynical interpretation born out of seeming political gridlock around this issue in some U.S. states. 

God have mercy on the passed away kids - saw their cute faces online, felt disturbed and couldn't not be helped to be also reminded in their innocence of appearance of my 6-year old niece from my aunt's side who will almost also now be going from kindergarten to first-grade elementary school around next year. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[Jodistrict]

A recent article suggest that he was bullied in school.  Most of these shooters have been bullied.  Why doesn’t any politician ever bring up the root cause?   That’s why things never change.

“According to reports, the 18-year-old shooter was a lonely child who was bullied in school over speech impairment.”

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/who-was-the-18-year-old-texas-school-shooter-friends-say-salvador-rolando-ramos-was-bullied-as-a-child-grew-up-aggressive-and-violent/articleshow/91794272.cms
 

[DocWatts]

57 minutes ago, MarkKol said:

while removing the current guns would help immensely, stopping the production and spread of them is so much easier to do. I didn't say anything about removing 400 million guns? although eventually those guns would need to be removed as well. we flew to the fucking moon man, its possible.

Look at how the government (plans) to get rid of gas cars, nobody is going to take your car once they're banned... only production will stop.

I forgot to mention ammunition, stop producing ammunition along with the guns and the shootings will decrease

I agree.

But this would require a cultural shift in the US that's both overdue and at least a generation or two away.

Under the current social conditions of widespread paranoia, social alienation, and indifference it's pretty much a non-starter. At least until the vast majority of people care enough to demand for change, and democracy is in a healthy enough to address social problems.

Addressing gun violence, like addressing any other number of issues, will all but necessitate sweeping democratization reforms which limit the ability for gun manufacturers to use a form of legalized bribery to prevent any traction on addressing gun violence through legislation.

Unfortunately the situation right now is that the foxes are guarding the henhouse, so until some more fundamental changes happen any reforms to address social problems are pretty much out of reach.

Edited May 25, 2022 by DocWatts

[8Ball]

It's weird as hell, as a foreigner, to see how often this occurs in the US. I think it's way too late banning guns by now. You'd be on the brink of civil war.

Unfortunately I think you'll have to wait until a few generations of Americans are replaced by younger more sensible ones.

[Blackhawk]

47 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Why doesn’t any politician ever bring up the root cause?   That’s why things never change.

Cute, but unrealistic, not gonna happen.

40 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

I agree.

But this would require a cultural shift in the US that's both overdue and at least a generation or two away.

Under the current social conditions of widespread paranoia, social alienation, and indifference it's pretty much a non-starter. At least until the vast majority of people care enough to demand for change, and democracy is in a healthy enough to address social problems.

Cute, but unrealistic, not gonna happen.

33 minutes ago, 8Ball said:

Unfortunately I think you'll have to wait until a few generations of Americans are replaced by younger more sensible ones.

Cute, but unrealistic, not gonna happen.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Blackhawk

[Danioover9000]

@MarkKol

1 hour ago, MarkKol said:

then bullets shall fly instead, kill each other as much as you want 

while removing the current guns would help immensely, stopping the production and spread of them is so much easier to do. I didn't say anything about removing 400 million guns? although eventually those guns would need to be removed as well. we flew to the fucking moon man, its possible.

Look at how the government (plans) to get rid of gas cars, nobody is going to take your car once they're banned... only production will stop.

I forgot to mention ammunition, stop producing ammunition along with the guns and the shootings will decrease

   I don't know about that. Too simplistic of a solution to gun control.

[Danioover9000]

@Blackhawk

2 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

Cute, but unrealistic, not gonna happen.

Cute, but unrealistic, not gonna happen.

Cute, but unrealistic, not gonna happen.

   Why are you obsessed with cuteness?

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

A recent article suggest that he was bullied in school.  Most of these shooters have been bullied.  Why doesn’t any politician ever bring up the root cause?   That’s why things never change.

“According to reports, the 18-year-old shooter was a lonely child who was bullied in school over speech impairment.”

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/who-was-the-18-year-old-texas-school-shooter-friends-say-salvador-rolando-ramos-was-bullied-as-a-child-grew-up-aggressive-and-violent/articleshow/91794272.cms
 

The more relevant cause is likely that his mother was on drugs and his father was absent and he snapped when she wanted to kick him out

[Danioover9000]

@Jodistrict

1 hour ago, Jodistrict said:

A recent article suggest that he was bullied in school.  Most of these shooters have been bullied.  Why doesn’t any politician ever bring up the root cause?   That’s why things never change.

“According to reports, the 18-year-old shooter was a lonely child who was bullied in school over speech impairment.”

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/who-was-the-18-year-old-texas-school-shooter-friends-say-salvador-rolando-ramos-was-bullied-as-a-child-grew-up-aggressive-and-violent/articleshow/91794272.cms
 

   I relate to this, been bullied myself over a few things about me. However, as much as hated them, I didn't turn out that bad. During part of my high school, I was in America, and had my share of bullies even there. Almost anywhere you go, you will encounter them. I guess it really depends on the person and the love they received from family, their values, cognition, morality, psychology, states and life experiences. DiSCoMPoSiL.

    

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Does anyone on this forum actually own a firearm?

Personally I do intend to own a small pocket pistol in the future for conceal carry purposes.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Husseinisdoingfine

[Husseinisdoingfine]

@Leo Gura This subject would make for a perfect blog post.

[Danioover9000]

@Raze

20 minutes ago, Raze said:

The more relevant cause is likely that his mother was on drugs and his father was absent and he snapped when she wanted to kick him out

   Likely the bigger factor here.

[Blackhawk]

53 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Blackhawk

   Why are you obsessed with cuteness?

Am I? What do you mean?

[Danioover9000]

@Husseinisdoingfine

4 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Does anyone on this forum actually own a firearm?

Personally I do intend to own a small pocket pistol on the future for conceal carry purpose.

   I own a gun too, but... it's a lighter

   In seriousness, as long as you obtain it legally, and trained, clean it and put it on a secure safe box, it's fine, while you are still single or with a short term GF. You have to stay vigilant with taking care of your gun.

[Razard86]

7 hours ago, DocWatts said:

What people from other parts of the world maybe don't realize is that there are more guns than people in America, so even if there was political will for an Australian or British solution it would prove to be logistically impossible.

That's not to give any sympathy whatsoever to Republicans, the NRA, or the far Right who are the most selfish people on the planet and could give a shit less about children being gunned down in schools.

That said, one aspect of the issue that's not given nearly enough attention is the toxicity of gun culture within a larger trend of a disintegrating and atomized culture where deaths of despair are becoming increasingly common among men.

Then add to this a gun culture in the US that's a wasteland of toxic masculinity that preys upon fear, suspicion, and inadequacy. 

Is it any wonder that in a culture where lots of men (and it's always men who are doing these mass shootings) aren't socialized in healthy ways and end up feeling hopeless and alienated from society, that some of them will decide to find one of the easy accessible guns in the US and make a mark by going out in a blaze of glory?

Gun control may be able to stop some of this, but helping men to live fulfilling and meaningful lives as well as countering the atomization of society from Late Stage Capitalism and Right Wing ideologues will also be necessary.

If you are going to say men are doing this....you need to be specific on what type of men.

[Danioover9000]

@Razard86

4 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

If you are going to say men are doing this....you need to be specific on what type of men.

   At this point, honestly the problem is so big it doesn't matter what race, gender or age of the main group causing the gun issues that are causing a very particular problem. More importantly is we got to come up with solutions to effectively regulate guns. That's it. Even taking into consideration the value systems, cognitive and moral development, psychology, personalities, states of being and life experiences, we still need more regulation.

   And don't ask in this worded way. Why? it makes you look like you want to paint the user@DocWatts  in a bad light. Naughty.

[Fleetinglife]

45 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Does anyone on this forum actually own a firearm?

Personally I do intend to own a small pocket pistol on the future for conceal carry purpose.

My grandfather who was a relatively higher-up officer in the then Yugoslav People's Army Airforce used to own a Zastava M88 semi-automatic 9x19 mm pistol in the apartment I visit and stay in where my grandmother lives as part of his officer's equipment kit when he was still in the military, but then he later had to return it to the army, since as I understood, the new gun ownership and usage for civilian self-defence purposes legislation passed by the new government in Serbia in the 2000-10s required permits, charged some extra ownership fees and maintenance regulations for anyone who wants to retain their, then relatively outdated, old guns they purchased or got from military service in their possession for civilian self-defense usage they then must strictly comply with these permits, regulations and charging fees if they wish to legally retain their gun as a civilian private citizen. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Fleetinglife

[ArcticGong]

23 hours ago, hoodrow trillson said:

Don't worry, the thoughts and prayers of Republicans will surely help...

Let’s be frank. Between guns and young people safety, guns is the priority.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

READ: https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

Watch: 18 charts that explain gun violence in America

 

[Raze]

This event is an example of the limitations of security guards and arming teachers, even police may not act effectively