Do female sex workers consider it taboo for guys to be explicitly sexual with them?

[Hardkill]

I just came back from a bar tonight and actually cold approach a girl there who happened to be a sex worker. She had a bull nose piercing like the kind that pierces your nose septum. I didn't know that she was a sex worker who has done some amateur work until I got to know her during the conversation. She also said that she is polyamorous and bisexual and I talked about that with her. I also asked her questions like does the size and shape of a guy's penis matter, what she thought about anal, the genres of porns she's into, her thoughts on girls getting breast and butt surgeries, why she got into sex work or porn, how it works from a financial perspective, etc. 

She asked me if I am truly a fan of porn or if I am one of those guys who just watches porn here and there. I told her that I've watched a lot of it since I was about 12-13 years old, and that I've become kind of a porn addict for a very long time. So, she then asked me if I have a pornhub premium subscription, to which I said that I don't and that I've never ever paid for any kind of premium porn subscriptions. She then said that that means I am actually not addicted to porn because otherwise I've would've bought some kind of premium porn subscription and that I actually gotta buy one. I asked her why and she explained to me why that is how and where you can get the best quality of porn. She also told me that she does custom porn vids too and we talked about that. Haha.

After she told me her amateur porn screen name, I looked on my phone for some of the preview clips of her vids and told her how much that clip I found of her sucking off this guy in the vid already turned on me. She said thanks. I found a pic of her ass in very sexy shorts on online on my phone and told her that she has a nice phat ass. She was like "yeah some thing like that."

I asked her if it was okay if I showed her a pic on my phone of my nude body from the side. She said "Sure. Thanks for asking." After she saw it, she ask why I was posing like a girl. I said that it's because I like to show off my ass. She was like "Oh I see." So asked with a smirk if she liked my body, and she said that it's okay but that she's more into the dad bod kind of look.

Then I looked at her ass in person and asked if she liked doggystyle. She said "that's a dumb question." I then chuckled and said "So of course you do." She said "yup." I said "Me too. You know, this may be inappropriate but I would love to do you both standing doggystyle and you on all fours doggystyle as I grab you sexy brown bubblebutt cheeks. I'd also whisper sweet nothings into your ear."

She then went "wtf!" 

So I said "Oh, sorry if that creeped you out." 

Her response was "right" in a sarcastic manner.

I then said "that was probably too much information that I shared."

she said "yeah."

I apologized and steered the conversation towards more normal everyday kinds of topics. We talked about more regular stuff for several minutes longer.

By the end of the conversation we exchanged numbers.

 

I know that in general that shouldn't talk explicit about sex with a girl you just met until you have had sex with her. Leo also said in his how to get laid series said that the reason why you don't ever talk explicitly about sex with a girl or just go up to a girl and right away tell her bluntly that you want to fuck her because sex is generally too taboo.

But this chick was a real sex worker and highly sexually liberated. Yet, I did end up making her feel very uncomfortable when I told her how I'd fuck her. So, is that because even girls like this one still feel that it is too taboo to be sexually explicit with a guy she just met and hasn't had sex yet? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[puporing]

This may sound shocking, but I would argue that sex workers might have (potentially) higher self-esteem than some random girl, especially if they know what they're doing and running it like a business. And if they don't normally give it out for free, why would it be different with a random guy who aren't even going to pay for it? Something to think about as you're operating on the assumption that "sex workers are easier".

I apply this same idea with psychologists, lot of them literally refuse to talk to even friends about their mental health problems, and ask them to book paid sessions with them.

Edited May 23, 2022 by puporing

[universe]

After she brought up the topic of porn and giving you the pitch for her profile all sex talk is fine.

But why do that exactly after she told you, you are not her type.

The timing is a bit off.

 

[something_else]

12 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Then I looked at her ass in person and asked if she liked doggystyle. She said "that's a dumb question." I then chuckled and said "So of course you do." She said "yup." I said "Me too. You know, this may be inappropriate but I would love to do you both standing doggystyle and you on all fours doggystyle as I grab you sexy brown bubblebutt cheeks. I'd also whisper sweet nothings into your ear."

You went from 0 to 100 real quick here

Yea, you were talking a lot about sex with her, but it wasn't flirtatious. It wasn't about the sexual chemistry between you two, you didn't build any of that really, you just talked about sex in a very mechanical/clinical way

So when you drop that bombshell about what you want to do to her, it feels extremely out of place and not calibrated at all

You need to escalate and ramp up to something like that with playful and cheeky flirting

You should have gone with something more like "you know you seem kinda kinky, now you're making me curious what you can do" said in a cheeky tone

[RendHeaven]

yikes

[Hardkill]

14 hours ago, puporing said:

This may sound shocking, but I would argue that sex workers might have (potentially) higher self-esteem than some random girl, especially if they know what they're doing and running it like a business. And if they don't normally give it out for free, why would it be different with a random guy who aren't even going to pay for it? Something to think about as you're operating on the assumption that "sex workers are easier".

I apply this same idea with psychologists, lot of them literally refuse to talk to even friends about their mental health problems, and ask them to book paid sessions with them.

 

3 hours ago, universe said:

After she brought up the topic of porn and giving you the pitch for her profile all sex talk is fine.

But why do that exactly after she told you, you are not her type.

The timing is a bit off.

 

 

2 hours ago, something_else said:

You went from 0 to 100 real quick here

Yea, you were talking a lot about sex with her, but it wasn't flirtatious. It wasn't about the sexual chemistry between you two, you didn't build any of that really, you just talked about sex in a very mechanical/clinical way

So when you drop that bombshell about what you want to do to her, it feels extremely out of place and not calibrated at all

You need to escalate and ramp up to something like that with playful and cheeky flirting

You should have gone with something more like "you know you seem kinda kinky, now you're making me curious what you can do" said in a cheeky tone

 

So, then her being creeped out by what I said has nothing to do with her thinking that what I said was too taboo or that she's afraid of coming off as a slut?

 

Edited May 23, 2022 by Hardkill

[hoodrow trillson]

17 hours ago, Hardkill said:

I said "Me too. You know, this may be inappropriate but I would love to do you both standing doggystyle and you on all fours doggystyle as I grab you sexy brown bubblebutt cheeks. I'd also whisper sweet nothings into your ear."

 

lmfao

That sounds straight out of some erotic novel or something rofl

[Arcangelo]

18 hours ago, puporing said:

but I would argue that sex workers might have (potentially) higher self-esteem than some random girl,

No.

[something_else]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

So, then her being creeped out by what I said has nothing to do with her thinking that what I said was too taboo or that she's afraid of coming off as a slut?

No, nothing at all. She was creeped out because you said something socially uncalibrated and quite over the top out of nowhere

You coulda got away with that line no problem if you’d built some sexual tension/chemistry up first

[puporing]

4 hours ago, Hardkill said:

So, then her being creeped out by what I said has nothing to do with her thinking that what I said was too taboo or that she's afraid of coming off as a slut?

No I don't think so, just that she's not necessarily different from other girls. Respect and effort is still required.

[Hardkill]

On 5/23/2022 at 2:30 PM, something_else said:

No, nothing at all. She was creeped out because you said something socially uncalibrated and quite over the top out of nowhere

You coulda got away with that line no problem if you’d built some sexual tension/chemistry up first

But why do I need to be socially calibrated and sexually escalate with a girl who is already a very sexually liberated sex worker?

On 5/23/2022 at 3:29 PM, puporing said:

No I don't think so, just that she's not necessarily different from other girls. Respect and effort is still required.

I wonder why saying something sexually explicit like the way I said it is disrespectful to a girl who is totally sex positive and doesn't seem to view sex as something that is a big deal or as being a personal matter.

 

[StarStruck]

What did you expect her to say? I’m curious about that. 

[something_else]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

But why do I need to be socially calibrated and sexually escalate with a girl who is already a very sexually liberated sex worker?

Because she’s still just a women, who you will need to build chemistry with if you want her to feel safe and enjoy having sex with you.

Or you have to pay her enough not to care

[Razard86]

On 5/22/2022 at 10:28 PM, Hardkill said:

I just came back from a bar tonight and actually cold approach a girl there who happened to be a sex worker. She had a bull nose piercing like the kind that pierces your nose septum. I didn't know that she was a sex worker who has done some amateur work until I got to know her during the conversation. She also said that she is polyamorous and bisexual and I talked about that with her. I also asked her questions like does the size and shape of a guy's penis matter, what she thought about anal, the genres of porns she's into, her thoughts on girls getting breast and butt surgeries, why she got into sex work or porn, how it works from a financial perspective, etc. 

She asked me if I am truly a fan of porn or if I am one of those guys who just watches porn here and there. I told her that I've watched a lot of it since I was about 12-13 years old, and that I've become kind of a porn addict for a very long time. So, she then asked me if I have a pornhub premium subscription, to which I said that I don't and that I've never ever paid for any kind of premium porn subscriptions. She then said that that means I am actually not addicted to porn because otherwise I've would've bought some kind of premium porn subscription and that I actually gotta buy one. I asked her why and she explained to me why that is how and where you can get the best quality of porn. She also told me that she does custom porn vids too and we talked about that. Haha.

After she told me her amateur porn screen name, I looked on my phone for some of the preview clips of her vids and told her how much that clip I found of her sucking off this guy in the vid already turned on me. She said thanks. I found a pic of her ass in very sexy shorts on online on my phone and told her that she has a nice phat ass. She was like "yeah some thing like that."

I asked her if it was okay if I showed her a pic on my phone of my nude body from the side. She said "Sure. Thanks for asking." After she saw it, she ask why I was posing like a girl. I said that it's because I like to show off my ass. She was like "Oh I see." So asked with a smirk if she liked my body, and she said that it's okay but that she's more into the dad bod kind of look.

Then I looked at her ass in person and asked if she liked doggystyle. She said "that's a dumb question." I then chuckled and said "So of course you do." She said "yup." I said "Me too. You know, this may be inappropriate but I would love to do you both standing doggystyle and you on all fours doggystyle as I grab you sexy brown bubblebutt cheeks. I'd also whisper sweet nothings into your ear."

She then went "wtf!" 

So I said "Oh, sorry if that creeped you out." 

Her response was "right" in a sarcastic manner.

I then said "that was probably too much information that I shared."

she said "yeah."

I apologized and steered the conversation towards more normal everyday kinds of topics. We talked about more regular stuff for several minutes longer.

By the end of the conversation we exchanged numbers.

 

I know that in general that shouldn't talk explicit about sex with a girl you just met until you have had sex with her. Leo also said in his how to get laid series said that the reason why you don't ever talk explicitly about sex with a girl or just go up to a girl and right away tell her bluntly that you want to fuck her because sex is generally too taboo.

But this chick was a real sex worker and highly sexually liberated. Yet, I did end up making her feel very uncomfortable when I told her how I'd fuck her. So, is that because even girls like this one still feel that it is too taboo to be sexually explicit with a guy she just met and hasn't had sex yet? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look up Mode One and Alan Roger Curie. You failed the test. You could have had sex with her that day but you got too afraid.

[Hardkill]

15 hours ago, something_else said:

Because she’s still just a women, who you will need to build chemistry with if you want her to feel safe and enjoy having sex with you.

Or you have to pay her enough not to care

But how does paying her for sex or dirty talk make her feel safe?

It still doesn't add up to me.

15 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Look up Mode One and Alan Roger Curie. You failed the test. You could have had sex with her that day but you got too afraid.

I already know about Mode One, but I think she might've been the one who got too scared.

[something_else]

8 hours ago, Hardkill said:

But how does paying her for sex or dirty talk make her feel safe?

It still doesn't add up to me.

I already know about Mode One, but I think she might've been the one who got too scared.

It doesn’t add up to you because you’re being far too logical when this is an emotional issue

The money means she’s willing to take a bigger risk

And it also means she’s getting value out of it. She either wants to sleep with guys she’s attracted to or she wants to make money

She doesn’t want to sleep with some dude who comes across as weird and socially uncalibrated if she’s not at least getting paid for it

There needs to be something in it for her

[Hardkill]

7 hours ago, something_else said:

It doesn’t add up to you because you’re being far too logical when this is an emotional issue

The money means she’s willing to take a bigger risk

And it also means she’s getting value out of it. She either wants to sleep with guys she’s attracted to or she wants to make money

She doesn’t want to sleep with some dude who comes across as weird and socially uncalibrated if she’s not at least getting paid for it

There needs to be something in it for her

Okay, I get that.

But if she already a super sex positive chick who has already had tons of freaky and risky sex, then what does she fear will happen to her if she gets really sexual or has sex with a guy who comes off weird and socially uncalibrated and doesn't pay her for it?

Edited June 4, 2022 by Hardkill

[Yarco]

You don't mix work and pleasure.

When you're paying a prostitute or in a camgirl's chatroom you can say whatever you want, it's part of the deal. But in this case she was there in her off time.

It's like if you found out a girl was an architect and started asking her to draw plans to add a sunroom to your house on a napkin.

Just cuz someone's a sex worker doesn't give you the green light to mind-rape them and tell them all the fantasies about what you'd like to do to them when you just met.

[Hardkill]

18 minutes ago, Yarco said:

You don't mix work and pleasure.

When you're paying a prostitute or in a camgirl's chatroom you can say whatever you want, it's part of the deal. But in this case she was there in her off time.

It's like if you found out a girl was an architect and started asking her to draw plans to add a sunroom to your house on a napkin.

Just cuz someone's a sex worker doesn't give you the green light to mind-rape them and tell them all the fantasies about what you'd like to do to them when you just met.

I didn't imply to her that I would rape her though.

[Spiral]

I would not flirt heavily or talk about sex with a girl whom is working. Unless she starts it or it relates to her profession (like sexologist)