If God can literally heal my illnes or Leo's fx., and yet it...

[thisintegrated]

14 minutes ago, CuriousityIsKey said:

Friend, but if we are already God, and we having this dream, wouldn't that mean that we are dreaming exactly because God wanted to dream. I mean, it's not even necessary for us to awaken to be God, because we are already God.

Friend, think about it, whe you had a very nice dream, you did not want to wake up from the dream right? And you didn't even care about something else, you were genigunly happy.

I just don't understand, knowing that God is omniscient (which means God knows about my suffering more than anyone) and is omnipoent (which means God can chnage my dream any time to be better) and yet God doesn't do it, even though God is Highest Love, I don't understand why God doesn do it. It should not be any difficult for God.

God has no biases.  Your suffering isn't a problem, and it's all imaginary anyway.

What's the point of it?  Suffering helps you create meaning.  Remember, there is no inherent meaning to existence, so suffering isn't a bad thing.  Without suffering, the journey would be uneventful, and you wouldn't care.  But that's just one interpretation, there are others.

Edited May 4, 2022 by thisintegrated

[CuriousityIsKey]

5 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

God has no biases.  Your suffering isn't a problem, and it's all imaginary anyway.

What's the point of it?  Suffering helps you create meaning.  Remember, there is no inherent meaning to existence, so suffering isn't a bad thing.  Without suffering, the journey would be uneventful, and you wouldn't care.  But that's just one interpretation, there are others.

Ok, I see your point. But why people here keep saying "it's imagenery anyways" it is not even a sound argument, because imginatjon is the procces by which reality is Created. Reality literally xist because it is imagined to be a certain way by God, and it is very real to us because we expirience it.

Even if the expirience is imagined, simulated,etc., it is still expirienced.

[thisintegrated]

Just now, CuriousityIsKey said:

Ok, I see your point. But why people here keep saying "it's imagenery anyways" it is not even a sound argument, because imginatjon is the procces by which reality is Created. Reality literally xist because it is imagined to be a certain way by God, and it is very real to us because we expirience it.

Even if the expirience is imagined, simulated,etc., it is still expirienced.

Since you know it's all imagined by your own mind, why does suffering bother you?  You haven't yet realized just how imaginary it is.  Understanding comes in levels.

[CuriousityIsKey]

Just now, thisintegrated said:

Since you know it's all imagined by your own mind, why does suffering bother you?  You haven't yet realized just how imaginary it is.  Understanding comes in levels.

I could put it this way:

I realize its all a play/movie, but I kinda want to expirience another play/movie because the current one is not adequate for my high taste standard. 

I just saying it honestly ?. 

[Matthew85]

@CuriousityIsKey First, this not about what God is doing or not doing to you. You need to realize who you are and take responsibility for what is happening. Take your sovereignty back. There are many positive benefits that come from what we label as bad or negative from a limited state of consciousness. For example, a health challenge I had was an excellent catalyst for me to closely examine my habitual thinking patterns and the energy it was causing in my body. When I finally got to the root of it, it was all me. I was the one allowing or not allowing health. 

[thisintegrated]

3 minutes ago, CuriousityIsKey said:

I could put it this way:

I realize its all a play/movie, but I kinda want to expirience another play/movie because the current one is not adequate for my high taste standard. 

I just saying it honestly ?. 

"high taste standard" is just another way of saying "inability to handle a challenge". 

Heaven/hell/earth are not places but states of mind.  The better your ability to handle suffering, the easier it will be to turn any place into a heaven.  The more you suffer, the more room you have to grow, and the better the heaven will be.  It's like putting your bike into a high gear.  The harder it is to pedal, the more the bike will move with each movement.  It's down to preference, but you sure do make a lot more progress on a higher gear.

[CuriousityIsKey]

2 minutes ago, Matthew85 said:

@CuriousityIsKey First, this not about what God is doing or not doing to you. You need to realize who you are and take responsibility for what is happening. Take your sovereignty back. There are many positive benefits that come from what we label as bad or negative from a limited state of consciousness. For example, a health challenge I had was an excellent catalyst for me to closely examine my habitual thinking patterns and the energy it was causing in my body. When I finally got to the root of it, it was all me. I was the one allowing or not allowing health. 

Could you please explain it in more detail how the habitual thinking patters create heath problems ? Thank you much

[CuriousityIsKey]

1 minute ago, thisintegrated said:

"high taste standard" is just another way of saying "inability to handle a challenge". 

Heaven/hell/earth are not places but states of mind.  The better your ability to handle suffering, the easier it will be to turn any place into a heaven.  The more you suffer, the more room you have to grow, and the better the heaven will be.  It's like putting your bike into a high gear.  The harder it is to pedal, the more the bike will move with each movement.  It's down to preference, but you sure do make a lot more progress on a higher gear.

I see your point Friend, your logic is very sound. However, I don't understand why the need for the extra challenges, Its all God anyways, why does God have to proof something to himself? Isn't that something who is insecure does.

If its all just imagnery super realistic VR expirience, then why not expirnce a full on heaven right at this moment?

You know ?

[thisintegrated]

1 minute ago, CuriousityIsKey said:

I see your point Friend, your logic is very sound. However, I don't understand why the need for the extra challenges, Its all God anyways, why does God have to proof something to himself? Isn't that something who is insecure does.

Life can give you discomfort, but only you can give yourself suffering.  It's 100% you.  If your way of thinking is causing too much suffering, then eventually the stress will make you snap and change your dysfunctional behaviors.  As you've still not snapped, this tells me you've not suffered enough, and the stress of change still outweighs the stress of your suffering.  

 

1 minute ago, CuriousityIsKey said:

If its all just imagnery super realistic VR expirience, then why not expirnce a full on heaven right at this moment?

You know ?

You could if you were awake enough.  But you'd quickly get bored and end up wiping your memory or something to regain some curiosity about life, but at that point you're back where you started.  Also, you need challenges to learn.  No consequences for your actions = you turn into a spoiled little brat.

[CuriousityIsKey]

I wonder what consequences of action do kids with cancer have, hmm... ?

Or am I misunderstanding something? 

Or is it because of bad karma from their previous lives?

I am just trying to understand how this system works.

 

Edited May 4, 2022 by CuriousityIsKey

[thisintegrated]

10 minutes ago, CuriousityIsKey said:

I wonder what consequences of action do kids with cancer have, hmm... ?

Or am I misunderstanding something? 

Or is it because of bad karma from their previous lives?

I am just trying to understand how this system works.

Actions have consequences.  That's what you learn from.

Having cancer just ups the difficulty level, and makes it easier to feel self-pity or fall into depression or whatever.  If you were particularly evolved and nothing really challenged you, then in your next life you might want to have some kind of chronic illness so that life is back to being a bit of a challenge and your "evolved nature" is tested and you have opportunities to grow even further.

Edited May 4, 2022 by thisintegrated

[GreenWoods]

@CuriousityIsKey God is unbiased and therefore It creates both good and evil.

Suffering is illusionary relative to a high state of consciousness. 

But suffering is not illusionary relative to a low state of consciousness.

In my opinion a perfectly good God would create a reality where everyone's desires are fulfilled. Whatever they want, because relative to each pov, these desires and suffering is real. 

[Matthew85]

@CuriousityIsKey Read this article https://drjamiephd.com/blog/your-thoughts-change-your-biology-why-your-mind-matters/

Also the books by Bruce Lipton are an excellent resource. 

[VeganAwake]

@CuriousityIsKey So you believe there is a omnipotent/omniscient entity called god.

And then within the construct of this belief system a question arises, why doesn't this god heal my illness?

If that entire belief system was dropped, there would be no one left to resent. 

Resentment is useless and drains life energy!

❤ 

 

[Aaron p]

god can heal but its more of like a gradual, get what you expect, psychological thing i think

[WelcometoReality]

@CuriousityIsKey You want something other than what is and that brings suffering. 

Can you see that it's an impossibility for things to be other than they are? Can you surrender your want and just be present right in this moment? 

[CuriousityIsKey]

6 hours ago, WelcometoReality said:

@CuriousityIsKey You want something other than what is and that brings suffering. 

Can you see that it's an impossibility for things to be other than they are? Can you surrender your want and just be present right in this moment? 

Damn, I wonder why we have ego to begin with. Is that some kind of a mistake lol.

[gettoefl]

13 minutes ago, CuriousityIsKey said:

Damn, I wonder why we have ego to begin with. Is that some kind of a mistake lol.

god loves its watchtowers from which the dream is viewed but isn't attached to any of them ... they come they go ... it wants them to realize they are not limited and finite but to enjoy the experience of becoming the entire dream ... suffering is a tool to wake them up, without suffering nothing to stop them being devils ... love isn't about healing but rather the breadcrumbs god leaves in your path to wake you up

[WelcometoReality]

32 minutes ago, CuriousityIsKey said:

Damn, I wonder why we have ego to begin with. Is that some kind of a mistake lol.

Who knows. Maybe evolution, maybe society. It's possible to see it for what it is without believing it though. ?

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, CuriousityIsKey said:

Damn, I wonder why we have ego to begin with. Is that some kind of a mistake lol.

@CuriousityIsKey There isn't a real You that has something called an ego. The ego is the entire sense of self....the whole construct or experience of feeling like a separate individual (not just the so-called bad parts). And when that illusory experience ends, there is no You left to be found.

There IS a conditioned body with its senses and preferences. And out of that experience seems to arise the ego or sense of self which believes its the body & thinker of thoughts.

But it's an illusion of self, as in its completely unreal. 

So there isn't an ego and then a real You underneath the ego or something like that.... they are the same illusion! 

❤