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Who is actually Enlightened?

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Could you guys tell me who is generally considered "Noble Ones" in the west? I'm not well versed with western teachers as i mostly follow the eastern theravada teachers, but i want to expand my view and not have any prejudices. At first i disregarded westerners as being able to actually attain Nibbana while living a life in society, but if there are teachers out there who can genuinely talk about their experience of either Nibanna states or what its like being a Noble One, and not from study or books but from experience, i would like to listen or read their accounts. I think there is a fine line of someone who makes claims of their experience of Nibbana in relation to what they've read or mistakenly thought they've experienced "emptiness" (like from taking a psychedelic and experiencing "emptiness") to someone who talks about it from direct experience and enters the state at will.

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Eckhart Tolle

Adyashanti 

Shinzen Young

Gary Weber 

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6 hours ago, Ora said:

Could you guys tell me who is generally considered "Noble Ones" in the west? I'm not well versed with western teachers as i mostly follow the eastern theravada teachers, but i want to expand my view and not have any prejudices. At first i disregarded westerners as being able to actually attain Nibbana while living a life in society, but if there are teachers out there who can genuinely talk about their experience of either Nibanna states or what its like being a Noble One, and not from study or books but from experience, i would like to listen or read their accounts. I think there is a fine line of someone who makes claims of their experience of Nibbana in relation to what they've read or mistakenly thought they've experienced "emptiness" (like from taking a psychedelic and experiencing "emptiness") to someone who talks about it from direct experience and enters the state at will.

The apparent issue with this question is there are already dozens of preconceived notions/ideas/concepts/beliefs being held there about what nibbana is or isn't.

In other words 'you' showed up to the party gun fully loaded and glass overflowing.

Its just not a something attained for a someone.

It's not a state which is entered either. It's the end of state chasing for an individual.

It has nothing to do with becoming, gaining or attaining.

Rather its a loss of something that never actually happened. 

It's complete freedom for nobody due to the revelation that this socially conditioned individual identified as 'ME'......is completely unreal!!

The 'ME' so desperately wants to be there to reap all the benefits which it imagines enlightenment to be like.

But this is an impossibility because nibbana is the death of the illusory 'ME' which wants to attain or have nibbana for itself. 

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Edited by VeganAwake

“Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle.

"I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi

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Nobody.
 

The only person who can awaken is You. The question already assumes duality to be true and other selves existing.

There is only the One Self.


“Our most valuable resource is not time, but rather it is consciousness itself. Consciousness is the basis for everything, and without it, there could be no time and no resource possible. It is only through consciousness and its cultivation that one’s passions, one’s focus, one’s curiosity, one’s time, and one’s capacity to love can be actualized and lived to the fullest.” - r0ckyreed

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A quick few examples:

 

Living:

Adyashanti

Angelo Dilullo MD

John Butler

Eckhart Tolle

 

No longer living:

Jed McKenna (Peder Sweeney)

Rob Burbea

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@Ora well, to start, how do you personally define Nibbana? There are plenty of different ways of viewing this term. 


What did the stage orange scientist call the stage blue fundamentalist for claiming YHWH intentionally caused Noah’s great flood?

Delugional. 

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