Is Liberalism a failed ideology?

[Husseinisdoingfine]

A quick refresher on what (click here ----------->) Liberalism is.

I ask this as I was browsing Medium and one of my favorite bloggers posts this:

 

Chinese Liberals are traitors to China. They are traitors to the Motherland. Liberals hate China, rejoice in the failures of China, and glorify civil unrest in Hong Kong, while worshiping Europe and USA.

In the fact everything that they do is under the guise of freedom, equality, fraternity, democracy, human rights. But their sole purpose is to destroy the state, destroy communities, and destroy the collective.

What is liberalism? Liberalism is a weapon aimed at your heart with a friendly smile.

In everyday life, the label "liberal" is most often given to those who show unnecessary and inappropriate excessive tolerance for other people's behavior that violates generally accepted norms and rules. Excessive liberalism in the upbringing of the younger generation negatively affects the development of the personality of a youngster. Often this leads to crime and violation of social norms. Loss of family values. Loss of social stability, loss of cultural roots. (look at the society in Richmond, Washington DC, Chicago, Oakland, Paris, New York, London...)

1. Liberalism is the belief in the beneficence of the unlimited freedom of the individual, every individual is special and can do whatever they want, without regard to society.

2. Liberalism puts the interests of the individual above the interests of the collective. As a cancer cell lives, it eats the resources of the whole organism, so a supporter of liberalism lives at the expense of society, not realizing that it acts destructively towards all people.

3. A liberal is a social parasite on the body of a society, a country.

4. Liberalism rigidly forces people to accept certain values in ordered for a society to be considered civilized, even if the majority do not want it. For example, criminal subculture, promotion of individual use of drugs, promiscuity, an individual living in excess. So called "Uncivilized countries" can then be smeared and defamed to build consent for regime change.

Liberalism is a weapon! Liberalism is an ideology created by the US and England in order to promote their Anglo-Saxon interests around the world.

In our country, China, this harmful (liberalism) appeared very quickly. It appeared right after Deng Xiaoping opened up and reformed. Even CPC members like Zhao Ziyang fell to liberalism. The liberals nearly succeeded in 1989 to destroy China.

With the help of the ideology of liberalism, it is very easy for world bankers manufacture consent to attack and regime change other nations for business interests.

China and Russia, two countries which challenged the global banker's interests, in their eyes, should not exist . The Russian and Chinese people (including not only ethnic Russians and Han but Russians and Chinese by citizenship, of course) should completely be dominated. Such is our fate in their plan.

So this means that China must win. Russia must win. Every single weak or small country in Africa and Latin America must win, otherwise we will all get enslaved.

 

 

So lets break this down, Liberalism is a political philosophy which:

• Holds the individual above all
• The individual should be allowed to act, dress, speak, live without any interference as long as they don't hurt others

It supports:

• Individual rights
• Liberty
• Liberal multi-party democracy
• Secularism
• Capitalist market economy
• (Modern 21st century variant) A progressive stance on sociocultural issues; Same sex marriage, reproductive freedom, etc...

The arguments that really made me think was his claims that Liberalism:

• Destroys National unity
• Allows the flourishing of destructive subcultures (i.e. rap gang culture)
• Destroys the family

All which leads to

• Higher crime
• Violation of social norms
• Destroys communities
• Leads to dissolution, directionless young people who have no role models

 

There's also this banger of a book:

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2022 by Husseinisdoingfine

[aurum]

@Husseinisdoingfine Liberalism, as a product of Stage Orange consciousness, suffers from all the same issues that individuals typically have at stage Orange. Too individualistic.

But of course, all stages on the spiral are needed.

Liberalism was needed to move us out of stage Blue feudalism. Now it’s showing its excesses, which will further bring online stage Green consciousness. And eventually, stage Green consciousness will show its excesses and we will have to correct for that to move solidly into Tier 2.

So ultimately there’s no mistakes here. Liberalism is not a mistake. It’s just a long process. But we also need to adjust for its limitations.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

He made a video on the subject

 

[thisintegrated]

3 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

• Destroys National unity
• Allows the flourishing of destructive subcultures (i.e. rap gang culture)
• Destroys the family

You seem to accept these as facts for some reason.  They're all a big stretch, to say the least, and are, in fact, BS to fit an anti-liberal agenda.

The whole post sounds like "Blue rebelling against Orange", tbh.  At least separate economic ideas from political/cultural.  When you hate something so broad, that's a clear indication of bias and a lack of any actual thought put into the argument.  Do you hate the associated lack of traditional family values or do you hate the economic ideology?  Saying it's the cause of all the world's problems is just one-sided, biased, and naiive.

 

But to answer your question, it's a necessary step, just like the stages.  No stage is bad, they're all necessary.  Blues will hate it, Oranges will love it, generally.

Edited May 4, 2022 by thisintegrated

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Good lord can we have one political discussion on this forum without using SDi to oversimplify the issue.

[thisintegrated]

1 minute ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Good lord can we have one political discussion on this forum without using SDi to oversimplify the issue.

No

[Leo Gura]

And what about nationalism? Is it not a failed ideology?

Why does your favorite blogger lack all nuance?

[BuddhistLover]

How do you analytical type people do all this thinking about political ideas? Like, my brain gets exhausted trying to keep up. I honestly feel like liberalism and idealism will make everyone happier in the end. All the ideas doesn't change the fact that liberals are happier people than the worried and scared conservatives. I wish I was as smart as you guys.

Edited May 4, 2022 by BuddhistLover

[zurew]

How is liberalism a failed ideology? Its just getting started.

8 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

n our country, China, this harmful (liberalism) appeared very quickly. It appeared right after Deng Xiaoping opened up and reformed. Even CPC members like Zhao Ziyang fell to liberalism. The liberals nearly succeeded in 1989 to destroy China.

Yeah its much better to live in a country, where you have no say at all, you have to obey. You are being held as a little servant and nothing more, you hold no more value for your country than a machine that can work.

 

That being said, liberalism have a lot of limits and problems if its being done in an extreme way. No political ideology should be extreme, there have to be some kind of a balance.

8 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

• Allows the flourishing of destructive subcultures (i.e. rap gang culture)
• Destroys the family

• Leads to dissolution, directionless young people who have no role models

I don't think that any one of these would be only exclusive to liberalism. These things can occur in countries that are nationalistic as well.

If you or your blogger want to argue that these problems are bigger and much more likely under a liberalist political ideology, than we should get deep into statistics and see and compare how things are.

Edited May 4, 2022 by zurew

[Carl-Richard]

It's a one-sided critique of the excesses of liberalism. You can take all his points and flip them back on themselves.

[BlueOak]

It's part of a necessary back and forth to society, and the world. When in proper balance for the people it governs it's extremely helpful.  If you try to put a lot of liberals inside a nationalist country they will live in misery and you will have nothing but social unrest for example, extend that to any ideology. 

For me the great benefits are creativity, individual development, and freedom to choose a career or make life choices. It's a great richness of experience for the individual and a society that helps you bring out your own talents and individuality. Creativity helps the development of new ideas, and technologies, so general progress for the country is increased. This is one reason why those in the west are at a higher state of technological development, because ideas and concepts have been allowed to not only flourish but are financed by investment. It's not the only reason but it is a big one.

For me the great drawbacks are, focusing on the individual at the expense of the collective. This doesn't mean denying them what I just said above, it means the collective needs to be developed in tandem with the individual, not at the expense of either. Collective culture and identity also need to be nurtured. The environmental damage is obvious from an individualist culture and always needs to be corrected. Individualist cultures also still have one voice being too great, though these voices are obviously much more numerous, you often get a voice speaking on a subject and receiving widespread attention when they have little experience in it. It also has a habit of still breeding narcissists, but then nationalists or anything that promotes a figurehead do exactly the same.

 

Edited May 5, 2022 by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

I do however look forward to the next evolution, which nurtures individuality AND society at the same time.

[DocWatts]

Most of the supposed failures of liberalism can be chocked up to the failures of neoliberalism and capitalism.

Liberalism is a necessary foundation in order to have a functioning pluralistic society.

National experiments which have attempted to bypass liberalism have been unmitigated disasters (ie the Soviet Union).

Of course there are limitations to liberalism, which is why it needs to be transcended and included in more forward looking models of socio-political organization (whether that's socialism, or process-oriented social democracy).

And in it's extreme forms (ie libertarianism), it's absolutely detrimental to society.

Edited May 5, 2022 by DocWatts

[Rokazulu]

All Ideology.

[SeaMonster]

It's a nice piece of CCP propaganda, and it has some truths in it, however it stretches them greatly.

Let's talk about China's one child policy and the damage that authoritarian one party rule can do to a country.

Sure, you can simply socially engineer the hell out of your society, but does it mean your ham-handed decisions aren't going to have potentially disastrous unintended consequences, such as a serious male-female imbalance as well as likely irreversible population decline that would otherwise not have been as steep?  What about the insane policies of empty real estate as a form of investment that is, in essence, the largest pyramid scheme in history -- the biggest bubble in history about to pop?

So while hiding behind the cloak of the public good, you've just created serious issues for your people.

I'm not even mentioning the corruption and oppression in that system.  Just that there is no elite that is so wise that it's not going to fuck up big time because it knows what's best for its people without proper feedback mechanisms.

Let's see where China is in ten years.  

 

 

Edited May 6, 2022 by SeaMonster

[Danioover9000]

@Husseinisdoingfine

On 04/05/2022 at 2:05 AM, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Good lord can we have one political discussion on this forum without using SDi to oversimplify the issue.

   No, because this forum is full of spiral wizards on the path to self actualisation and spiritual realization.

   Also, Neoliberalism over Liberalism over libertarianism and anarchism any day. While it's limited, it's much better than it's previous ideologies.

[itachi uchiha]

Search in youtube a guy called daniel haqiqatjou.he make video critiquing liberalism from islamic pov

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, itachi uchiha said:

Search in youtube a guy called daniel haqiqatjou.he make video critiquing liberalism from islamic pov

He spoke with Mr. Girl and revealed a complete lack of empathy for women and homosexuals ?

[itachi uchiha]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

He spoke with Mr. Girl and revealed a complete lack of empathy for women and homosexuals ?

Yes

He is in red pill camp

He is anti feminist

He is based

Left wing people will not like him and find him offensive

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by itachi uchiha

[BlueOak]

It's mostly the critique of ideology that people struggle with because they themselves are being critiqued depending on how attached they are to it.

It's especially troublesome when one ideology thinks it knows best for another and tries to imprint over thousands of years of social and cultural development a different way of life.