The Supreme Court may overturn Roe v Wade according to leak

[Bobby_2021]

Roe vs Wade is OVERTURNED

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1540364971619524609t=b_pIJtYr4DGz2mxJdtCUwg&s=19

 

[Leo Palhano]

@Bobby_2021  2nd civil war vibes

[DocWatts]

The US is a sinking ship that's going to become a substantially worse place to live over the next decade, and Roe v Wade is just a feather in the cap for an emboldened reactionary movement looking to roll back most of the civil rights advancements that have taken place over the last century.

Abandon all hope ye who enter (or live in) the United States...

[abundance]

On 5/2/2022 at 11:28 PM, Leo Gura said:

Calm down. This is not fascism.

There is a silver lining to this. The overturning of Roe will be a wake up moment for many liberally minded people. Abortion has something like an 80% approval rating. As the American right-wing shows its true colors on actual policy, that should turn a lot of voters off from the right-wing.

The problem right now is that many voters believe that the left wing and right wing are equally bad. This fallacy can only hold as long as the right wing doesn't enact any major policy. Once the policies start to change, people will realize that the left and right are not equally bad. Right-wing policies are self-correcting because they are usually awful.

It isn't fascism but its usually one of the first things fascistic regimes outlaw. It doesn't make sense to bicker about which idividual action is considered fascism or not. The culmination of everything the far right is doing in this country IS fascism. 

And I wish I shared your optimism. Most Americans are far more concerned with the economy and increasing rates of crime and that will reflect in their voting decisions this coming November. The overturning of Roe v Wade is terrible but it won't stop Americans from voting for Republicans if they perceive them to be better for the economy and reducing crime. 

[Yarco]

3 hours ago, Leo Palhano said:

@Bobby_2021  2nd civil war vibes

Relax, this'll blow over in a couple days. Won't even get as bad as the George Floyd riots. Marches in all the major cities by people in pussyhats this weekend and then done.

[hoodrow trillson]

49 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

The US is a sinking ship that's going to become a substantially worse place to live over the next decade, and Roe v Wade is just a feather in the cap for an emboldened reactionary movement looking to roll back most of the civil rights advancements that have taken place over the last century.

Abandon all hope ye who enter (or live in) the United States...

Oh, it's collapsing baby!  

[Leo Gura]

It's not fascist, it's just conservative. This is boilerplate conservative policy. And they weren't exactly keeping it secret.

[Razard86]

On 5/2/2022 at 11:28 PM, Leo Gura said:

Calm down. This is not fascism.

There is a silver lining to this. The overturning of Roe will be a wake up moment for many liberally minded people. Abortion has something like an 80% approval rating. As the American right-wing shows its true colors on actual policy, that should turn a lot of voters off from the right-wing.

The problem right now is that many voters believe that the left wing and right wing are equally bad. This fallacy can only hold as long as the right wing doesn't enact any major policy. Once the policies start to change, people will realize that the left and right are not equally bad. Right-wing policies are self-correcting because they are usually awful.

I don't think liberal people think the right wing and the left wing are equally bad (Trump took that opinion away) it is just they are tired of money in politics, the corporate control of politics. This is why Trump and Bernie were so popular and why Obama was popular too. They both appealed to the everyday man.

Now how in the world the average voter actually fell for the illusion that Trump was a populist I have no clue. But that is what the people are drawn too right now. Obama literally ran on "Change you can believe in." Promised transparency and getting rid of "Politics as usual." Trump talked about bringing back factory jobs for the everyday man and stopping outsourcing. Bernie even though he called himself a Democratic Socialist still had huge backing from Generation X and Y. 

Biden has none of these things and needed the entire liberal media and every Presidential Candidate who ran's endorsement just to beat Bernie. America right now just wants money out of politics and a economic system that doesn't feel skewed in favor for the top 1%.

All the polling data has been saying this for over a decade. It is what it is. Besides this only happened because the Democrats did nothing when the Republicans refused to approve any of Obama's nominees for over a year and a half which has NEVER HAPPENED IN AMERICAN HISTORY and was literally a violation of the Constitution. 

But hey what do I know? 

[Raze]

9 hours ago, Benton said:

And now they are calling for a re examination of gay rights, among other things.

KEY POINTS 

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas said landmark high court rulings that established gay rights and contraception rights should be reconsidered now that the federal right to abortion has been revoked.

Thomas wrote that those rulings "were demonstrably erroneous decisions."

The cases he cited are Griswold vs. Connecticut, in which the Supreme Court said married couples have the right to obtain contraceptives; Lawerence v. Texas, which established the right to engage in private sexual acts; and Obergefell v. Hodges, which said there is a right to same-sex marriage.

The Supreme Court tossed out Roe v. Wade, which established abortion as a constitutional right.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-supreme-court-justice-thomas-says-gay-rights-rulings-open-to-be-tossed.html

Even if the Supreme Court overturns it, the states can individually make it legal. They can also pass a constitutional amendment making it legal with a 2/3rds majority of states or congress. Same for abortion.

 

[Raze]

This event may increase political violence in America.

Edited June 25, 2022 by Raze

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Biden has none of these things and needed the entire liberal media and every Presidential Candidate who ran's endorsement just to beat Bernie.

Biden beat Bernie easily.

Maybe Bernie is not as popular as you want him to be.

[Hardkill]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not fascist, it's just conservative. This is boilerplate conservative policy. And they weren't exactly keeping it secret.

Clarence Thomas also said in his opinion that the "landmark high court rulings that established gay rights and contraception rights should be reconsidered now that the federal right to abortion has been revoked."

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-supreme-court-justice-thomas-says-gay-rights-rulings-open-to-be-tossed.html

I know you said that right-wing policies that do get enacted, particularly those that are far right, will inevitably get eliminated because of how unpopular, backwards, and authoritarian they are in general. So, then why haven't enough people been ever been furious with all of the far right economic policies that were enacted during the Reagan, Bush, and Trump eras?

[Gidiot]

Biden beat Bernie by a lot of votes but within each states the vote was close, it literally could have made the difference if every candidate didn’t endorse Biden or warren dropped out before Super Tuesday, yes Bernie lost but for almost all of the race it Bernie was ahead  and Literally it only flipped after South Carolina and the whole establishment candidates endorsing him. I think the picture you’re painting was incorrect, Bernie still has a lot of appeal and is the most popular politician in the country, he just couldn’t beat the political establishment machine, that’s not bad political analysis.

Point: the people got what they wanted but it wasn’t such a through in through landslide, if it was a sports analogy it was more of a 4th quarter comeback

Edited June 25, 2022 by Gidiot

[Hardkill]

41 minutes ago, Gidiot said:

Biden beat Bernie by a lot of votes but within each states the vote was close, it literally could have made the difference if every candidate didn’t endorse Biden or warren dropped out before Super Tuesday, yes Bernie lost but for almost all of the race it Bernie was ahead  and Literally it only flipped after South Carolina and the whole establishment candidates endorsing him. I think the picture you’re painting was incorrect, Bernie still has a lot of appeal and is the most popular politician in the country, he just couldn’t beat the political establishment machine, that’s not bad political analysis.

Point: the people got what they wanted but it wasn’t such a through in through landslide, if it was a sports analogy it was more of a 4th quarter comeback

 

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Biden beat Bernie easily.

Maybe Bernie is not as popular as you want him to be.

Noam Chomsky says that Bernie is the most popular politician in the US simply because he has the most popular policies. He said in this vid down below that "Bernie would've won the Democratic Party nomination if it hadn't been for the Clinton-Obama shenanigans to keep the party from reflecting its popular constituency...."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP7mt_Ie04Y

But why he say that when he is a stage Yellow thinker whom you would expect to know better than that?

Edited June 25, 2022 by Hardkill

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Hardkill said:

 

Noam Chomsky says that Bernie is the most popular politician in the US simply because he has the most popular policies. He said in this vid down below that "Bernie would've won the Democratic Party nomination if it hadn't been for the Clinton-Obama shenanigans to keep the party from reflecting its popular constituency...."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP7mt_Ie04Y

But why he say that when he is a stage Yellow thinker whom you would expect to know better than that?

He was referring to the 2016 election, not 2020

[mmKay]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Biden beat Bernie easily.

Maybe Bernie is not as popular as you want him to be.

Bernie's most effective AD campaign:

Dems should invest millions to learn how to actually advertise themselves by reverse engineering tik tok. It's their only chance. 

Edited June 25, 2022 by mmKay

[Raze]

 

 

Edited June 25, 2022 by Raze

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Gidiot said:

Biden beat Bernie by a lot of votes but within each states the vote was close, it literally could have made the difference if every candidate didn’t endorse Biden or warren dropped out before Super Tuesday, yes Bernie lost but for almost all of the race it Bernie was ahead  and Literally it only flipped after South Carolina and the whole establishment candidates endorsing him. I think the picture you’re painting was incorrect, Bernie still has a lot of appeal and is the most popular politician in the country, he just couldn’t beat the political establishment machine, that’s not bad political analysis.

Bernie is not capable of winning with Southern voters and Purple voters. A lot of the Dem base is relatively moderate, centrist, and even conservative. Most Dem voters are not progressives.

2 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Noam Chomsky says that Bernie is the most popular politician in the US simply because he has the most popular policies.

This is a classic mistake progressives make: using policy polls to judge the electablity of their candidates.

Most voters are idiots and do not vote on policy. So your policy polling is pointless.

Winning elections is not about policy because voters are too uneducated and indifferent to care about policy.

[Gidiot]

@Leo Gura alright I concede, after looking at the states won it wasn’t close, but don’t act like Bernie didn’t have momentum, real momentum, it wasn’t a lost cause doomed from the start as you are trying to paint.
 

There was real enthusiasm behind a candidate like sanders, I don’t think politics is so simple as people are dumb so they vote x, yea maybe that’s most of it, but a lot of people can be persuaded. 

and if you’re right and I’m wrong, then what good is voting for any type of progressive change? I doubt I should be wasting my time advocating or following progressive policies or change if it’s just going to be out voted by the idiots.

 Wouldn’t it be wiser to just accept people aren’t ready for it, after all you say that a vote for the Green Party is throwing away your vote. Just curious

Edited June 25, 2022 by Gidiot

[Hardkill]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is a classic mistake progressives make: using policy polls to judge the electablity of their candidates.

Most voters are idiots and do not vote on policy. So your policy polling is pointless.

Winning elections is not about policy because voters are too uneducated and indifferent to care about policy.

I agree, especially after hearing your take on Why Bernie Sanders Lost. 

But I am surprised that Chomsky would make such a statement himself. I thought he was wiser, more shrewd, and at a higher level of conscious than most progressives are. Is it possible that he is not quite at solid stage Yellow himself or perhaps I am taking what he said out of context?

Btw, what use are policy polls if they can't even convince enough members Congress or other politicians to pass new good laws? Or are they only useful for simply collecting data for political scientists and social science researchers?

 

 

Edited June 25, 2022 by Hardkill