New Policy For Cleaning Up The Politics Sub-Forum

[Gesundheit2]

5 minutes ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

That would be fucking brutal hahaha?? If I got that tag, I would consider deleting my own life, not just the account??

[Yarco]

 

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If I see a member polluting the Politics sub-forum with (...) excessive right-wing ideology...

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This is not a matter of left vs right

Okay then lol. I'll believe it when I see it.

Is there such a thing as an acceptable / non-excessive amount of right-wing ideology we are allowed to express here? I can't tell where the limit is or have an idea of what is or isn't actionable under this new guideline, as I've never seen a right-wing position or topic that wasn't frowned upon here. Anti-abortion? Saying literally anything positive about Trump? Being mildly anti-immigration? Any form of Nationalism (pride in your country)?

If you are looking to create a left-wing-only echo chamber, that's fine, you don't have an obligation to be unbiased. Just be honest and tell right-wingers like myself upfront we simply aren't welcome instead of finding some arbitrary reason later to de-person us from this section.

At the very least this seems like a setting that could be done behind-the-scenes instead of labelling people as outcasts and pariahs any time they post in other areas of the forum. "Why should I take your opinion on XYZ seriously? You're a Member Apolitical so obviously you lack any kind of judgement and reasoning abilities". You just inadvertently created a forum caste system.

If this post is already subversive enough to get me labeled Apolitical then I guess hit me with it and let's get it over with instead of dancing on eggshells. Looking forward to chatting with my fellow BASED Members Apolitical. I'll wear it as a badge of honor.

 

Edited April 29, 2022 by Yarco

[Danioover9000]

@Yarco

17 minutes ago, Yarco said:

Is this permanent or is there any way to get it undone?

Ie. If someone gets slapped with Apolitical but then they grow as a person, after some period like 6 months can they take a quiz to prove they've sufficiently grown in political consciousness enough to be allowed back in? I know personally I've grown (and then regressed a bunch, and then grown again, and then regressed a bunch again) politically as a person.

Okay then lol. I'll believe it when I see it.

Is there such a thing as an acceptable / non-excessive amount of right-wing ideology we are allowed to express here? I can't tell where the limit is or have an idea of what is or isn't actionable under this new guideline, as I've never seen a right-wing position or topic that wasn't frowned upon here. Anti-abortion? Saying literally anything positive about Trump? Being mildly anti-immigration? Any form of Nationalism (pride in your country)?

If you are looking to create a left-wing-only echo chamber, that's fine, you don't have an obligation to be unbiased. Just be honest and tell right-wingers like myself upfront we simply aren't welcome instead of finding some arbitrary reason later to de-person us from this section.

At the very least this seems like a setting that could be done behind-the-scenes instead of labelling people as outcasts and pariahs any time they post in other areas of the forum. "Why should I take your opinion on XYZ seriously? You're a Member Apolitical so obviously you lack any kind of judgement and reasoning abilities". You just inadvertently created a forum caste system.

   That's a good question. I think it'll be similar to if you were unjustly issued a warning or a ban, in which case the person PM another mod or administrator and provide evidence like quotes or posts to build your case. Obviously it'll be tricky because what is the standard considered valid evidence to show you have progressed in personal development to be allowed in the political section again? Is that 6 months of doing a self journaling? Is it 6 months of good posting and behaviour? Do I need to show pictures or videos of parts of my life showing how much I have changed?

[DocWatts]

@Leo Gura

I think this is an entirely reasonable move, and more measured than just banning accounts. Good call.

[itachi uchiha]

@Yarco 

Did u still not get it

liberalism or left wing will collapse without censorship

Blocking free speech is vital to liberalism. It always has been.

 their cherished worldview can only last if it is protected with  censorship 

 

 

 

 

[Danioover9000]

@itachi uchiha

12 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

@Yarco 

Did u still not get it

liberalism or left wing will collapse without censorship

Blocking free speech is vital to liberalism. It always has been.

 their cherished worldview can only last if it is protected with  censorship 

 

 

 

 

   Censorship isn't limited to the left wing, the center and right wing political ideologies can also impose censorship to other political ideologies. There's also self censorship as well.

[puporing]

@Leo Gura Have you considered having a guideline where current events-related posts (where that's the main topic) are not allowed? This would encourage more "meta-political" discussions I think.

Edited April 29, 2022 by puporing

[Alex_R]

3 hours ago, Hello from Russia said:

What do you think he is wrong about? 

From my own understanding and pov, he is right about most thing

There might be some questionable stuff about topics like masturbation and porn but these are highly subjective topics and affect your dating only laterally

For what i can see he is very well informed on the mystery method and knows very well how attraction works.

The only problem is that i imagine that he has refused to become the asshole/ruthless misogyny that chicks actually really want due to moral issues.

[itachi uchiha]

@Alex_R

Which is better ,mystery method framework or art of seduction framework by robert greene

 

 

@Yarco

 

[Arcangelo]

@itachi uchiha

[Matthew85]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If I see a member polluting the Politics sub-forum with consistently bad takes, gaslighting, excessive right-wing ideology, dogmatism, drama, misinformation, etc., rather than banning their entire account, I will adjust their account to disable access to the entire Politics sub-forum. This is necessary because some people are just not ready for mature, conscious discussions about politics.

@Leo Gura Good policy Leo!

I am sure you realize and have thought about the fact that when we ban or shut people down, we are only doing that to an aspect of our own mind. In my experience, this isn't a very effective way of dealing with it. It just eventually manifests in another form. 

I think an interesting topic that your followers would find very helpful, is discussing effective methods to integrate and harmonize these aspects of our mind. They show up in many forms. A challenging difficult boss, co worker, partner, friend or family member, online confrontation's, etc. 

[Arcangelo]

member apolitical = second class citizen

[Ninja_pig]

@Hello from Russia I'm going to put together a post that goes over every way Leo is wrong and why he's wrong. It's kind of a project so I haven't finished it yet.

[Danioover9000]

@Ninja_pig

2 hours ago, Ninja_pig said:

@Hello from Russia I'm going to put together a post that goes over every way Leo is wrong and why he's wrong. It's kind of a project so I haven't finished it yet.

   Forgot that, make a video instead, so it'll be hours long too.

[Danioover9000]

@Arcangelo

5 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

member apolitical = second class citizen

   Doesn't America already have that, with people living off the grid or libertarians?

[Bobby_2021]

On 4/29/2022 at 8:07 AM, Leo Gura said:

I don't claim to be completely unbiased, but someone has to moderate this place to keep it from devolving into a cesspool

You are the most unbiased person I know. So what I do is to read your takes and reverse engineer to the truth.

But you seem to have some biases when it comes to some fringe green aspects. I was disappointed a bit.

But glad to know that you are aware of it.

[Godhead]

Thank you @Leo Gura

Imo you've been way too lenient. 

[itachi uchiha]

On 30/4/2022 at 1:55 AM, Knowledge Hoarder said:

Robert Green isn't really a good example in my opinion, he's not like a dating coach, or pick up artist or something, he hasn't tested any of his theories out - all he does in his books, is he looks at historical examples of certain human behaviours, and develops models based on them. For example, Cleopatra was not that physically attractive, but always put herself into a position/appearance of a queen, this goddess-like creature, and was thus successfull in seducing men such as Ceasar, Anthony and other extremely high status and successfull men. Thus, Robert Green concluded that this behaviour can work on men in general even today. Is he right, is he wrong? Hard to say. He makes a ton of conclussions, but none of them are really practical.

Mystery method technically works, but it's not the ideal way. Because it's too "gamy" and fake, and women can feel the inauthenticity. Mystery method was about autistic step by step proccess, and learning a bunch of lines. The principles behind the method were correct, but the way the method was executed, was often times kinda cringe and inauthentic. And was eventually replaced.

 

i have not read mystery method . so i cannot speak of it. i have read models,dale carnegie, lile lowndes, carlos xuma, and vin dicarlo. robert greene is the best i found.robert green is no big seducer .but from common sense and from personal experience it is the best.legends like rollo tomassi recommend this book for a reason

rg is not a womaniser. but he is just a writer . but remeber 48 laws of power.he is not a thug or gangster or warloard or anything. but people who grow up in streets, big time thugs, rappers, etc have a very good opinion about the book.an italian prime minister invited him to lunch. this shows his understanding of the game. also consider the example like leo is no billionare ,or super successful guy. but he known about succcess more than many millionares. tony robbins is super successful  and is the biggest self help guru. but leos content make tony robbins content look like a joke. i am a broke guy with no college degree. but i know more about learning and education than that kid in the first bench who has a super successful carrear. he has fake growth and  i have real growth.

imo robert green books have a very steep learning curve. u can read 48lop.but iit is very difficult to apply it. it took a long time for me to figure out how to apply 48lop.art of seduction is the same. he just gave u some concepts. some ideas. but he did not gave u a manuel or steps. he leave it upto our creativity and intelligence and imagination  to how to apply art of seduction. u can read models, work on your self and practice it for 1 year and u wiill have succcess with woman. art of seduction is noot like that .it has a steep learning curve and require years of practice. that is why normal puas hate art of seduction.it require lot of mastery

 

but i have not applied art of seduction. i am practicing and developing skills. its very complex.its a long terrm approach. i read some review about how some guys apply it. so take my words with a pich of salt.my common sense and my instinctis tell me art of seduction is the real deal. but i am no big sedcuer and my reasoning can be flawed

[thibault]

On 4/29/2022 at 5:18 PM, puporing said:

@Leo Gura Have you considered having a guideline where current events-related posts (where that's the main topic) are not allowed? This would encourage more "meta-political" discussions I think.

I think this is a great suggestion in that discussing current events encourages all the most half-baked takes. The best ways to view a given event usually come after years when all relevant information has come to light.

[Danioover9000]

@itachi uchiha

27 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

i have not read mystery method . so i cannot speak of it. i have read models,dale carnegie, lile lowndes, carlos xuma, and vin dicarlo. robert greene is the best i found.robert green is no big seducer .but from common sense and from personal experience it is the best.legends like rollo tomassi recommend this book for a reason

rg is not a womaniser. but he is just a writer . but remeber 48 laws of power.he is not a thug or gangster or warloard or anything. but people who grow up in streets, big time thugs, rappers, etc have a very good opinion about the book.an italian prime minister invited him to lunch. this shows his understanding of the game. also consider the example like leo is no billionare ,or super successful guy. but he known about succcess more than many millionares. tony robbins is super successful  and is the biggest self help guru. but leos content make tony robbins content look like a joke. i am a broke guy with no college degree. but i know more about learning and education than that kid in the first bench who has a super successful carrear. he has fake growth and  i have real growth.

imo robert green books have a very steep learning curve. u can read 48lop.but iit is very difficult to apply it. it took a long time for me to figure out how to apply 48lop.art of seduction is the same. he just gave u some concepts. some ideas. but he did not gave u a manuel or steps. he leave it upto our creativity and intelligence and imagination  to how to apply art of seduction. u can read models, work on your self and practice it for 1 year and u wiill have succcess with woman. art of seduction is noot like that .it has a steep learning curve and require years of practice. that is why normal puas hate art of seduction.it require lot of mastery

 

but i have not applied art of seduction. i am practicing and developing skills. its very complex.its a long terrm approach. i read some review about how some guys apply it. so take my words with a pich of salt.my common sense and my instinctis tell me art of seduction is the real deal. but i am no big sedcuer and my reasoning can be flawed

   I guess you just keep af it until you're good.