Is Sexuality Related To Spirituality?

[Loreena]

if yes then how.

[outlandish]

I believe everything is related to spirituality, how can some things can be spiritual while others or not? Some things sacred, some profane? It doesn't make sense dividing the world up like this. I still do it to some extent, but I think that kind of division is false. So in that sense, of course it is, but what isn't?

Analyzing it though, sexuality is at the roots. On a freudian/psychoanalytical level, it's one of our deepest drives and motivators. On a deeper level, in the process of examining the nature of being in this reality, we come across the fact that sexuality is a fundamental expression of the dual/polar nature of existence. 

[poimandres]

Yes. In the Hermetic tradition, one of the principles is polarity. Sometimes expressed in terms of "masculine and feminine" but doesn't necessarily mean literally genitals. Has little to do with human sexuality.

One of the biggest concepts of religion from the Hermetic point of view, is unity of the opposites. Looks at tantra for instance. It is nothing but literal sex, but tantra's message isn't about literal sex. Again, the concept of polarity.

Edited January 27, 2017 by poimandres

[Life Coach]

Everything can be related to spirituality, even sex. Although the ego wants it so bad that sometimes spiritual people will make excuses and tell you it is very important and tell you something about unite of the devine feminine and masculine and energy transmission and this kinda stuff. In fact they are just horny assholes who look for excuses to endulge in pleasures and practice as little self control as possible.

so yeah it's related but nothing special. I personally think it may be even a hindrance, no matter what tantra fans will tell you, and actually being celibate helps you grow spiritually faster. The hardcore monks and nuns of all religions gotta have it right. But don't tell anybody, because everyones ego will be ultra offended.

[poimandres]

Just now, Old Soul said:

Everything can be related to spirituality, even sex. Although the ego wants it so bad that sometimes spiritual people will make excuses and tell you it is very important and tell you something about unite of the devine feminine and masculine and energy transmission and this kinda stuff. In fact they are just horny assholes who look for excuses to endulge in pleasures and practice as little self control as possible.

It is possible to engage in coitius to attain a spiritual goal. Heterosexual or homosexual, does not matter. What matters is the mindstate at the time of orgasm and what visualization is happening. This is referred to as sex magic.

[cetus]

@John Flores Or the Temples at Khajuraho..

[outlandish]

54 minutes ago, Old Soul said:

The hardcore monks and nuns of all religions gotta have it right. But don't tell anybody, because everyones ego will be ultra offended.

I posted this in the jokes just the other day but...

"Abstinence makes the Church grow Fondlers"

There's a reason there's so much sexual abuse in religious orders that mandate celibacy in it's clergy. The attempt to cut sexuality out from our nature by force fails time and time again. There's no getting around it, we are sexual beings. 

Some people choose a life of celibacy and make it work, without it leaking out into creepy sexual behaviour. But when we put that expectation on others it doesn't seem to turn out well. 

There's also a reason that almost every spiritual practice has something to say about sexuality. This is a big clue that sexuality is related to spirituality. It's deeply intertwined in who we are.

[Life Coach]

@outlandish  Of course no one should be expected to be celibate lol, that would be a disaster. Since almost all people cannot bend their very nature to their own will and are simply too weak for this to be successful. All those sexual abusers in religious orders (especially christian) are a joke, they are not the real deal spiritual people. What I meant are real spiritual seekers and enlightened people. It's possible. But don't try it out, unless you are a god-like zen master who has completely control over him/herself.

I wanna tell you a secret....I myself am a monk celibate for over a year now. I have no desire to have sex and I see it only as a distraction...but I still masturbate like once or twice a week, don't know if that counts or not. Entirely without it my task would be insane. Maybe I will get there sometime

Edited January 27, 2017 by Old Soul

[key]

7 hours ago, Loreena said:

if yes then how.

Yes, simply because life itself with all its splendour is spiritual, but don't be mistaken thinking spirituality is specific, unique or a seperate part of life, it encompasses all. 

[Prabhaker]

7 hours ago, Loreena said:

Is Sexuality Related To Spirituality?

Sex is beautiful, sexuality is ugly, and the difference has to be understood. Sex is a natural phenomenon. Sexuality is unnatural, abnormal and pathological. When sex becomes cerebral, when sex enters in your head, it becomes sexuality.

Now, the head is not the center for sex. It is getting into confusion, it is getting upside down, it is getting deranged. Sex is not the function of the head, but when sex enters in through the head it becomes sexuality. Then you think about sex, then you fantasize about sex. And the more you think, the more you fantasize about it, the more you will get into trouble because then nothing real will ever satisfy you because there is no limitation on fantasy, and reality is limited.

That is the problem the West is facing – it has fantasized too much about sex. The West has become sexual through fantasy; the East has become sexual through repression. Both have become sexual and both have lost the natural capacities of enjoying sex. Both have become pathological through different routes. The West has become pathological by fantasizing sex as being the ultimate goal of life, and the East has become pathological by thinking that sex is the ultimate barrier between godliness and man.

Sex is neither: neither is it the ultimate goal nor the ultimate barrier. Sex is a simple phenomenon as hunger or thirst; there is nothing more to it. Neither is it what the Eastern mind has been thinking about it. The Eastern mind is too afraid of sex. Out of fear, sex has moved into the head; through the door of fear it entered into the head.

So the Eastern so-called saints are simply fantasizing about sex because they have repressed it. And that which you repress goes on coming up again and again. It cannot be destroyed; nothing can ever be destroyed by repression. Repression makes sex pathological sexuality. This is one extreme.

The West has moved to another extreme. The other extreme is, fantasize about it. Sex is all, everything else is secondary, so have as much sex as you can. But you cannot have too much sex. There are limitations to the body, but you can fantasize as much as you want, there is no limitation to it. So pornography exists, blue films exist, girly magazines exist, and people are being fed on these illusory mirages. Then no woman, no real man will ever satisfy you.

These are both pathological states. Sexuality is pathological; whether you come to it through greed or fear does not matter. The East has become ill through fear; the West has become ill through greed. Greed and fear are two aspects of the same coin. So on the surface it looks very different, that the East and the West are poles apart. They are not. Those who know, those who can see, can see that it is the same foolishness, the same stupidity. They have arrived to the same stupidity from different doors, that is true, but they have entered into the same place. And both have to be awakened, and both have to be made more enlightened about sex.

Sex is Natural, Sexuality is NotThis is the first thing to be understood if you ever want any transformation of sex energy. The first thing is don’t deny it, don’t reject it, don’t repress it. Don’t be too greedy about it, don’t think that this is all – this is not. There is much more to life. And sex is beautiful. Still, there is much more to life, sex is only the foundation, it is not the whole temple.

Repressed, it becomes sexuality. Fantasized, it becomes sexuality. One is an Eastern way of transforming sex into pathology, the other is a Western way. But nobody, either in the East or in the West, accepts that sex is a simple natural phenomenon. Neither the saints nor the sinners – nobody accepts sex to be a simple natural phenomenon. Both are obsessed with it, hence I say both are not different. Sex accepted, respected, lived, becomes love.

[Deep]

@Loreena Yes, because sex helps us to produce more life. Everything we do is spiritual. In certain forms of yoga it's necessary to remain celibate. Ashtanga yoga requires celibacy because the goal is to awaken the kundalini energy which is our dormant sexual energy. If one has sex they lose sexual energy and that delays the kundalini awakening. It depends on what method one chooses to use for enlightenment. 

[Bob84]

@Loreena there both things the ego likes 

[LiakosN]

Read the : road less traveled 2 by Scott peck. I am currently reading it and it has a chapter for sexuality and spirituality... 

Edited January 28, 2017 by LiakosN

[faith]

In my own personal example, I have used sex and sexual fantasy as a way to avoid feeling the unquestionable pain of existence. In the same way that I may have used sugary foods or entertainment - anything to distract myself from feeling this pain. But if you want fulfillment, you'll have to come to terms that nothing you can do can make the pain go away, so you might as well accept it. 

From sex what I really wanted was to connect with someone. However, even after you do, what's next? You're back to being who you are. Nothing can change it, no amount of sexual fantasy or release can change who you are. 

So my advice if any, when you feel sexual desire, or a desire for connection, just realize that it won't give you what you innately seek. You may feel the desire, you may even enjoy it, but just be mindful about it that's all. This is not say that sex isn't a great thing. It's a BEAUTIFUL thing, and a very enjoyable thing. In fact, with my girlfriend of 2 years now, we have a better sex life now than ever before, and I am betting that's because I am encompassing it now in my spiritual practice. 

Best of luck to you on your own journey! I wish you lots of love!

[cetus]

I wonder what would happen if a either partner (or both) used 5meo in the middle of having sex?

Edited January 28, 2017 by cetus56

[SFRL]

On 1/27/2017 at 0:59 PM, Loreena said:

if yes then how.

It's all connected. Sex, emotions, and spirituality. 

And don't know if sex is directly linked with spirituality. But emotions are. And emotions are also connected to sex. 

[FirstglimpseOMG]

Oh I have to weigh in on this one.. I think sex is a part of life like eating and surviving. I think every sexual encounter that ends in an orgasmic release is a mini version of the very existence of your life.

Longing, desire, a search. 

Engaging, exploring, loving, LIVING.

Connecting, enhancing, embellishing, sharing, adding to, bringing magic forth that was hidden, sharing, building, expanding, experiencing.  CREATING.

Peaking, understanding, realizing, manifesting, en-joying, EXPRESSING.

RELEASING, understanding, appreciating, feeling divinely grateful, loving all in peace and contentment and joy. 

Resting in peace.

The way I've often looked at lovemaking can be seen in any genuine intimate encounter, taking only a fraction of your lifetime to occur, or it can be seen as a micro-cosmic mini version of your whole human life and existence. 

Each orgasm can be seen as a mini-death, with each and every birth of desire and longing search, lead-up, ultimate experience and final release being your life. 

My thoughts and my experience is that "lovemaking" is just as possible with someone you've known for 10 minutes as it is with someone you've known for 10 years. (Done right, with love and responsiveness, giving, enhancing, exploring, LOVING!) 

I may love you explicitly and exclusively for a lifetime.. or I may love you explicitly and exclusively for an hour, or an afternoon. Same LOVE. 

[Martin123]

@Loreena Don't divide things into "spiritual" and "non-spiritual"
Just look on the intention behind it.
are you acting out of love, expansion, creativity and eagerness to experience?
Or are you acting out of fear?
there is NOTHING non-spiritual.

[outlandish]

On 1/28/2017 at 2:17 PM, cetus56 said:

I wonder what would happen if a either partner (or both) used 5meo in the middle of having sex?

Cetus check out this erowid report of someone who did just that... whilst also on acid https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=9473

[FirstglimpseOMG]

Have I lost energy or built up a natural curiosity, seeking, exploring, sharing & bonding with another human being, knowing the joy of love and connection. Creating and enhancing on purpose, naturally. Buiding a tension for the sake of a shared peak and release. Am I forgetting about, or ignoring spirituality when I'm lucky and adept enough to connect with another beautiful human and get close? 

Personally, I can't see how every single interaction with anyone isn't an opportunity to honour and appreciate and love a little bit. Whether I have a "hi" and a smile for a stranger, or 800 more kisses for you when you thought I was done.

Edited January 30, 2017 by FirstglimpseOMG
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