Do we still have slavery?

[Blackhawk]

I think we do.

The definition of slavery is that you have to work against your will, right?

So, that means most of us are slaves, right?

Because you have to work to get money.

Only the way how you are forced to work has changed, but that doesn't change the fact that you are forced to work.

Edited April 18, 2022 by Blackhawk

[no_name]

You are free to choose where you want to work. In real slavery you have no choice. 

[Blackhawk]

1 minute ago, no_name said:

You are free to choose where you want to work. In real slavery you have no choice. 

Doesn't matter, because all jobs are shit.

[no_name]

Just now, Blackhawk said:

Doesn't matter, because all jobs are shit.

That’s your laziness talking. 

And yes, on the most primitive level humans need to eat, you can’t expect the food to fall from the sky, so you need to work to get the food. Once humans find ways to bypass eating maybe then they won’t need to work. 

 

[Blackhawk]

6 minutes ago, Roy said:

Yes we still have "slavery", whatever that word means. Even the wealthy and powerful are slaves. They have to work too. We all have to do things to survive. It's the consequences of living in a physical world.

Our conditions have just gotten much better over time. A modern "slave" in a 1st world country lives 25x better than a king from 1500 years ago.

Yea and that just makes the problem even worse. Because it means that we are born as slaves and die as slaves, and there's no way out of it.

6 minutes ago, no_name said:

That’s your laziness talking. 

And yes, on the most primitive level humans need to eat, you can’t expect the food to fall from the sky, so you need to work to get the food. Once humans find ways to bypass eating maybe then they won’t need to work. 

No it's not my laziness talking. There is no job which I would like to have. Other than be a pornstar or sell sex, but I'm a guy so that's unfortunately out of the question.

Yea and that just makes the problem even worse. Because it means that we are born as slaves and die as slaves, and there's no way out of it.

Edited April 18, 2022 by Blackhawk

[no_name]

1 minute ago, Blackhawk said:

No it's not my laziness talking. There is no job which I would like to have. Other than be a pornstar or sell sex, but I'm a guy so that's out of the question.

Yea and that just makes the problem even worse. Because it means that we are born as slaves and die as slaves, and there's no way out of it.

Tell that to people who are doctors, scientists finding cures for diseases, astronauts in space, movie stars, authors who write self help books helping millions of people, etc.

Your problem is not slavery, you don’t have any interests in life, and if you did, you were too lazy to follow them and instead played them down and built all these negative believes.  

 

[Blackhawk]

3 minutes ago, no_name said:

Tell that to people who are doctors, scientists finding cures for diseases, astronauts in space, movie stars, authors who write self help books helping millions of people, etc.

Your problem is not slavery, you don’t have any interests in life, and if you did, you were too lazy to follow them and instead played them down and built all these negative believes.  

I'm sure there are people who like those jobs which you mentioned, but I wouldn't like them.

It's not my fault that I don't have any interests in life, because it's beyond my control. I can't go like: "Ok now I will force myself to be passionate about writing books" or something.

[no_name]

Just now, Blackhawk said:

It's not my fault that I don't have any interests in life, because it's beyond my control. I can't go like: "Ok now I will force myself to be passionate about writing books" or something.

It is your fault. If you sit on your ass all day and expect interests to just find you, obviously that won’t happen. You need to explore and try new things to find your interests. Finding doesn’t happen if you don’t do the action of looking.

[Blackhawk]

2 minutes ago, Roy said:

Why is it a problem?

Because it's very unpleasant, a pain in the ass.

[Blackhawk]

4 minutes ago, no_name said:

It is your fault. If you sit on your ass all day and expect interests to just find you, obviously that won’t happen. You need to explore and try new things to find your interests. Finding doesn’t happen if you don’t do the action of looking.

No it's not my fault.

You guys really need better arguments other than always just say: "you are just lazy".

It's just a convenient way for you to falsely believe that you are right, that you are awesome, and that there doesn't exist any problems anywhere because all problems are "just laziness".

Edited April 18, 2022 by Blackhawk

[no_name]

5 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

No it's not my fault.

You guys really need better arguments other than always just say: "you are just lazy".

It's just a convenient way for you to falsely believe that you are right, that you are awesome, and that there doesn't exist any problems anywhere because all problems are "just laziness".

A grown man is crying that he is so poor and helpless because he has no interests in life, and somehow that’s the worlds fault.. 

Edited April 18, 2022 by no_name

[Blackhawk]

1 minute ago, no_name said:

A grown man is whining and crying that he is so poor and helpless because he has no hobbies in life, and somehow that’s the worlds fault.. 

The fact is that the majority of people are like me. They work somewhere where they don't want to work, because they are forced to work.

[no_name]

12 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

The fact is that the majority of people are like me. They work somewhere where they don't want to work, because they are forced to work.

You are not forced to do anything. You have a choice. You could always quit and be a bum on the street. 

[A_v_E]

every job you do to survive is slavery.

everything you do against your will is slavery in my definition.

as defined by Nietzshe is the more rightful way to perceive the nature of work.

it's slavery for CULT-ure.
the word "wageslavery" say it all
 

take what is yours by right and forces.

if someone abuse you, whatever the source of abuse is, never deal with abusers.

Edited April 18, 2022 by A_v_E

[no_name]

1 minute ago, A_v_E said:

everything you do against your will is slavery in my definition.

But where did you see someone being forcefully dragged to work and then having to work all day under a pointed gun? How is going to work against someone will? 

[A_v_E]

@no_name  right, then I can cultivate the land for myself, fish the river I want, breath the clean air I own.

this is why there is no way to steal, you only take back what is yours by right of birth.
Society is not owned, society is yours.

 you always take back what is yours, what is on the earth is all yours, no one have a right of property over you or ANYTHING that came from the dirt or your way to sustain in this life.

everyone who claim right of property is a thief and shoulnd't be dealt with differently than through violence.

Edited April 18, 2022 by A_v_E

[no_name]

7 minutes ago, A_v_E said:

@no_name  right, then I can cultivate the land for myself, fish the river I want, breath the clean air I own.

this is why there is no way to steal, you only take back what is yours by right of birth.
Society is not owned, society is yours.

 you always take back what is yours, what is on the earth is all yours, no one have a right of property over you or your way to sustain in this life.

everyone who claim right of property is a thief and shoulnd't be dealt with differently than through violence.

I don’t see why you can’t fish the river you want, as a bum any bench is practically yours on the street. I am pretty sure you wouldn’t be happy if someone came and took all your belongings, so there are rules protecting them which work both ways. What you might think is yours by the right of birth might not agree with what someone else think is yours. Given how you are not the only human on this planet, there are some rules set.
 

If you want complete and absolute freedom from societal rules you can move to an inhabitable island somewhere or Mars.

Edited April 18, 2022 by no_name

[A_v_E]

@no_name I agree with this, everyone shall be leaded by an AI god and no humans shall have any more power than others.

if some are born with parents with diamond mines, I m born with hands to take back those diamonds who NEVER EVER was supposed to be in the hands of thiefs, those diamonds are supposed to be shared for every humans sharing a "society"

[no_name]

@A_v_E I agree, we should all strive for a more fair and functioning society and rules. However, even in our sub-par society there are still choices we all have.

[Blackhawk]

 

18 minutes ago, no_name said:

But where did you see someone being forcefully dragged to work and then having to work all day under a pointed gun? How is going to work against someone will? 

Going to work is definitely against my, and the majority of peoples will.

There are different ways to force someone to work.

Pointing a gun is only one way to do the forcing.

If you are going the route that we aren't forced to work.. okay in that case not even the real slaves before were forced to work. Because they could simply have refused to work. The price for that would have been getting beaten or killed.

And the price today for refusing to work would be homelessness, immense suffering and misery, illness, malnutrition, possibly death, etc.  That's also a very high price to pay for not being a slave.

Edited April 18, 2022 by Blackhawk