The 5-MeO-DMT Mega-Thread

[Monkey-man]

I’ve read there is dmt produced in pineal gland, is that true?and is it sufficient for anything significant?

[Hsinav]

5 minutes ago, Monkey-man said:

I’ve read there is dmt produced in pineal gland, is that true?and is it sufficient for anything significant?

 

[Faceless]

2 hours ago, Hsinav said:

This chemical is a sharp tool for that work but the chemical doesn't do it, it guides you towards that place by taking away things from you until there is nothing left, speeds up the process. You still have to do the work and foundation yourself, without the right foundation, 5 meo is totally useless.

Thinking just 5 meo itself is the answer is like thinking you can drive a formel1 car just because you have the best car.

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 I understand the motive and reasoning behind its function and yes it makes sense that one would have to do ground work as a foundation prior to the additional support of chemical assistance. I see the reasoning for this and I can see how that may seem sound. But unless one sees that there is still a movement of self/thought projecting/and anticipating that that experience will bring about a freedom from time is still a movement of time/measure. Can the self ‘time’ move from time ‘thought/reality to truth/nothingness? 

 

So this is movement depending on an experience to become free from experience? Is this correct? 

 

It’s depending on time to become free from time? 

 

So this would be a good question to go into...

 

Is this a movement of inviting time as means to that which is timeless?....How can that which has no measure ‘nothingness/truth or that which is independent of thought, be integrated by measure ‘things/reality or what we think about and reflect upon??? 

 

When it comes down to it, is the chemical the issue and preventing factor of not becoming free of time? Or is the movement of psychological time the very preventing factor?? 

 

Have you gone into this before? 

 

It’s pretty cool man??

 

Check into it if your interested in this ?

 

[zikzak]

3 hours ago, Hsinav said:

This chemical is a sharp tool for that work but the chemical doesn't do it, it guides you towards that place by taking away things from you until there is nothing left, speeds up the process. You still have to do the work and foundation yourself, without the right foundation, 5 meo is totally useless.

Thinking just 5 meo itself is the answer is like thinking you can drive a formel1 car just because you have the best car.

What would be really sweet is if people started to be able to open up to non dual states "au natural" without being under the influence of 5meo but as a direct result of working with it (along with other means of course). I have heard of many people having re-activations for a period of time. But less about ongoing processes that starts to deepen and cut through to non dual awareness more and more as opposed to fading out over time.

[Hsinav]

1 hour ago, Faceless said:

 I understand the motive and reasoning behind its function and yes it makes sense that one would have to do ground work as a foundation prior to the additional support of chemical assistance. I see the reasoning for this and I can see how that may seem sound. But unless one sees that there is still a movement of self/thought projecting/and anticipating that that experience will bring about a freedom from time is still a movement of time/measure. Can the self ‘time’ move from time ‘thought/reality to truth/nothingness? 

It has two dimensions, in a sense you can say that you move from time to timelessness but there is really no distance to it.  When you access the timeless state it uncovers the fact that this was your essence all along and time is only relatively real. So you can live grounded in the timeless and still take action in time. Thats the biggest paradox there is. Time is dreamlike. It has it´s reality but the essence of you and everything there is, is timeless.

 

2 hours ago, Faceless said:

So this is movement depending on an experience to become free from experience? Is this correct? 

Well, you only need time until you realise you don´t need time anymore

 

2 hours ago, Faceless said:

Is this a movement of inviting time as means to that which is timeless?....How can that which has no measure ‘nothingness/truth or that which is independent of thought, be integrated by measure ‘things/reality or what we think about and reflect upon??? 

 

Yes that´s how I like to look at it, inviting time as means to that which is timeless. Time and literally everything that exists is born out of timelessness/nothingness and it permeates everything by being it´s essence. 

 

2 hours ago, Faceless said:

When it comes down to it, is the chemical the issue and preventing factor of not becoming free of time? Or is the movement of psychological time the very preventing factor?? 

Not becoming free of time means you are stucked, in time, things, personas, there is a way out of that, if one don´t realise this under his lifetime he will get out of time when he dies. Time is a contraction of energy.

[Faceless]

10 minutes ago, Hsinav said:

Yes that´s how I like to look at it, inviting time as means to that which is timeless. Time and literally everything that exists is born out of timelessness/nothingness and it permeates everything by being it´s essence. 

 

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but any movement from time can only lead to more time. Do you see that? 

To start with time prevents the timeless. Do you see that? 

10 minutes ago, Hsinav said:

Not becoming free of time means you are stucked, in time, things, personas, there is a way out of that, if one don´t realise this under his lifetime he will get out of time when he dies. Time is a contraction of energy.

Maybe you misunderstood?

the chemical doesn’t seem to be the issue. It’s the movment of becoming ‘time’ 

if you go into it very carful you will see that time can not move to anything but more time. Any movement of thought, fragmentation, duality, leads to further fragmentation and duality. All movement in time/thought must end, and becoming is part of that time/thought. 

Look very closely. It’s so subtle man?

Edited February 26, 2018 by Faceless

[Hsinav]

3 minutes ago, Faceless said:

but any movement from time can only lead to more time. Do you see that? 

To start with time prevents the timeless. Do you see that? 

In absolute terms, there never was anything like time to begin with, time doesn't ultimately exists. Only in the relative world (dreamworld if you like)

I,m not sure what you mean with "time prevents the timeless", i,d say time is occurring as one dimension of the timeless, as everything else.

11 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Maybe you misunderstood?

the chemical doesn’t seem to be the issue. It’s the movment of becoming ‘time’ 

if you go into it very carful you will see that time can not move to anything but more time. 

Look very closely. It’s so subtle man?

Not sure we´re on the same page in this discussion. If you look very closely you´ll discover time appears in timelessness, i´d like to say 

 

[Hsinav]

@Faceless

We went a little bit of topic here.

[Faceless]

We can’t assume ‘think’ anything about timelessness or wholeness/truth. 

We can theorize/conceptualization about  timeless but that is actually movement of time. Right? ?

 

When we have a motive to become ‘take a chemical to experience the timeless’ this is a movement of time. 

Its kinda simple but people miss the fact that thinking about the timeless isn’t the timeless. If that makes sense?

 

Edited February 26, 2018 by Faceless

[Saumaya]

6 hours ago, Faceless said:

so after this chemical is taken ‘one time’ one is cured and lives in nothingness? One is free from conflict in chasing the illusion of psychological time? 

One is not caught in the movement of becoming? 

 

Thats the least of it, it gives you superpowers beyond your imagination

[Faceless]

3 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

Thats the least of it, it gives you superpowers beyond your imagination

Lol

[Faceless]

If there was freedom from time there would be no need for movements of time to escape time. 

So simple it’s hard ?

Edited February 26, 2018 by Faceless

[Forestluv]

@Faceless 30mg of 5-meo-dmt would dissolve your conceptual reality.

[Faceless]

7 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

@Faceless 30mg of 5-meo-dmt would dissolve your conceptual reality.

Realty is conceptual lol 

someone has to see that taking a chemical is merely changing one reality to anohter 

Edited February 27, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

To move in time which that is moving in time is merely expanding or altering one’s reality. 

This is so obvious my friends. 

You can not move from reality to truth.

its a mistaken truth.

Thought is in action and one is not aware. It’s so simple guys 

 

Edited February 27, 2018 by Faceless

[Leo Gura]

One dose of 5-MeO will not enlighten you. 5-MeO is a catalyst for an already vigorous spiritual practice.

People who just do 5-MeO and don't have any kind of spiritual practices in place will not get much out of it.

5-MeO just gives you a longer lever with which to pry yourself loose.

[Faceless]

Again I don’t think it’s the psychedelic that is the problem.. it’s the becoming ‘psychological time’ ?

not hating.? 

 

Edited February 27, 2018 by Faceless

[Nahm]

@Faceless Time is an illusion though. All chemicals are illusionary too. 

[Faceless]

3 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Faceless Time is an illusion though. All chemicals are illusionary too. 

I feel ya.. but if we see very deeply that ‘psychological time’ is an illusion than we end the desire to become and end the movment of time altogether ?

but we have to see the false in the false that time can not move to the timeless. This is a truth. 

You can take a psychedelic though if you want ?

just isn’t necessary 

Edited February 27, 2018 by Faceless

[Forestluv]

17 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Realty is conceptual lol 

someone has to see that taking a chemical is merely changing one reality to anohter 

It would blast through that as well.

I’d be careful if you decide to try it. It is merciless to those who won’t surrender. . .