The 5-MeO-DMT Mega-Thread

[Ero]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The psychedelic domain becomes so advanced that you really can't bring it back into the human domain. So the human utility does max out at some point. But the nonhuman consciousness has value for itself. But you won't be able to use it to advance your human life.

What are you classifying as “human domain”? Does it include posthumanist constructs or are you simply referring to self-development stuff? I have largely left the anthropocentric realms, but there still seems to be an ability to compress on the level of meta-dynamics and complexity structures.

Edited February 26 by Ero

[OBEler]

@Ero I think he means consciousness states like alien mind (he plans a course how to access it hopefully in the near future).

[Davino]

@Leo Gura I can't imagine how hard must have been the decision to leave psychedelics aside.

It's surprising how life puts us in this situations.

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Ero said:

What are you classifying as “human domain”?

Your human life where you survive and seek for improvements to your life.

Most people do this work for human benefits like better relationships, better emotions, more success, less suffering, better health, happiness, etc.

I call all that human life.

If you ran into a space kangaroo it would have no improvement to your human life. You'd just be left not knowing what to do with it and eventually you'd just move on with your life.

Edited February 27 by Leo Gura

[Terell Kirby]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

If you ran into a space kangaroo it would have no improvement to your human life. You'd just be left not knowing what to do with it and eventually you'd just move on with your life.

Kind of how I feel about Truth-although I would argue that the re-contextualization of reality that comes from realizing a space kangaroo does change things (at least intellectually), which can has its effects on human life in subtle ways.

Like if a human told me a space kangaroo is a fantasy after I had come into contact with one, I’d reach certain conclusions about that human and other human narratives that I wouldn’t have otherwise. (ie. A profound distrust in human narratives about space kangaroos).

Imagine if this were to happen and I was part of a cult whose sole existence was to deny the reality of space kangaroos. That would change human life in a very significant, mind shattering way.

Edited February 27 by Terell Kirby

[Leo Gura]

@Terell Kirby Intellectually you will understand the existence of higher things, but you won't even be able to imagine them accurately or do anything with them.

What are you gonna do with a 10-dimensional hyper-cube? You can marvel at its existence but that's about it.

Edited February 27 by Leo Gura

[Loveeee]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No. I was nowhere close to exhausting psychedelics. I was discovering new things.

The psychedelic domain becomes so advanced that you really can't bring it back into the human domain. So the human utility does max out at some point. But the nonhuman consciousness has value for itself. But you won't be able to use it to advance your human life.

What about healing and other powers ? 

 

[Davino]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What are you gonna do with a 10-dimensional hyper-cube?

Scratch my back and flex my mind

 

@Leo Gura I've been reflecting, how are you gonna keep your ego in check from years to come without psychedelics? I mean it's easy to get into ego trips and delusions but psychedelics shows us in a few moments the Truth quite blatantly. Not having access to them presents unique risks for stagnation and paradigm lock. That's what I would be concerned about if I was in your situation. What's gonna be my reality and awakening check?

[Leo Gura]

40 minutes ago, Davino said:

Scratch my back and flex my mind

That's what the crocodile backscratcher is for:

https://crocodiledarwin.com/en-us/products/crocodile-claw-backscratcher

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@Leo Gura I've been reflecting, how are you gonna keep your ego in check from years to come without psychedelics? I mean it's easy to get into ego trips and delusions but psychedelics shows us in a few moments the Truth quite blatantly. Not having access to them presents unique risks for stagnation and paradigm lock. That's what I would be concerned about if I was in your situation. What's gonna be my reality and awakening check?

Fear not.

I have a more profound comprehension of the ego and all its devilish ways than ever before thanks to my sober work.

I could write a whole course on just how to understand and unwind the ego.

Sober work has forced me to work more on my embodiment.

Edited February 27 by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura what would be a trigger to come back to your psychedelic journey again? Or have you committed yourself to stay sober for rest of your life? Like an addict to protect yourself from further escalations which can harm your body? But you are very conscious what you do so you could easily prevent an escalation through dose control/set/setting. 

 

[Leo Gura]

@OBEler As I said, my health doesn't allow it. Unless my health improves I must do without them. It is not even a choice.

Edited February 27 by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura that sounds hard.I hope so much AI will become so intelligent that it finds a solution how to improve your health one day. 

 

[Yimpa]

17 hours ago, OBEler said:

I hope so much AI will become so intelligent that it finds a solution

Absolute Intelligence, yeeaahhh!!

Edited February 28 by Yimpa

[Davino]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's what the crocodile backscratcher is for:

https://crocodiledarwin.com/en-us/products/crocodile-claw-backscratcher

Florida man would be proud 

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have a more profound comprehension of the ego and all its devilish ways than ever before thanks to my sober work.

I could write a whole course on just how to understand and unwind the ego.

Sober work has forced me to work more on my embodiment.

Mmm, that's counter intuitive right there. Very interesting you share this with us.

I just love the psychedelic truth slap, it's very helpful to reground myself in truth. It's a safety mechanism for me.

I have a question for you: is there a moment when the egoic self contraction-knot gets released forever? I've been going through layers of Karma and self for years, very intensely, I just wonder if there's an end to this process, a final release so to speak

 

[Yimpa]

@Davino i believe there is a related question and answer here

 

[Water by the River]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

I have a question for you: is there a moment when the egoic self contraction-knot gets released forever? I've been going through layers of Karma and self for years, very intensely, I just wonder if there's an end to this process, a final release so to speak

Sorry for hijacking your question while not being adressed. I know... 

How is the final and deep realization (and release) of the illusion of the egoic self-contraction traditionally called? I know, its a concept/word/pointer non-grata around here... Or is that changing lately?

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Full Enlightenment&author=Water by the River&sortby=relevancy

After that the little egoic bug and its essence of suffering/contraction/resistance is never fully believed again... If all of its little high-speed contraction-illusion arisings are seen through in high-speed real-time, it indeed can evaporate and dissolve into the Totality of Infinite Being/Reality. Your True Identity.

The egoic self contraction, a truly magnificent illusion, a creation worthy  of the Divine Intelligence of Reality itself. After a long imagined journey of mistaken identity back home over many lifetimes cosplaying not being the Infinite Totality of Reality itself, creating lots and lots of suffering and resistance and contraction along the way (but also a lot of fun, joy and juicy drama), at some point all its little tricks are done and seen through. Halleluja. Summum bonum.

 

Lately around here there is a little "end-of-the-road" feeling spreading concerning the psychedelic path, and the endless exploration of the Infinity of manifestations of Consciousness/manifest Reality.

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=psychedelic suffering&author=Water by the River&sortby=relevancy

An exploration which in other words then becomes just one more (imagined) step along the (imagined) way back home. 

Godspeed to "everyones" return path back home, to a home one can truly never leave... It can only appear so.

Meet you "there". Or right here, right now.

 

Your fellow dream-character...

... Selling Water by the River 

 

PS: Deep respect concerning Leos truth-love, authenticity and intellectual integrity. 

Edited February 27 by Water by the River

[The Crocodile]

@OBEler You can have psychedelic experiences without using drugs through OBE. You should know that. Your name is OBEler, you know.

[OBEler]

12 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

@OBEler You can have psychedelic experiences without using drugs through OBE. You should know that. Your name is OBEler, you know.

I know the difference between psychedelic and OBEs very well. Overall psychedelics are way superior. The difference is so big you hardly can compare these.

OBEs are a joke compared to psychedelics.

 

[The Crocodile]

1 minute ago, OBEler said:

OBEs are a joke compared to psychedelics.

No, you've never had an OBE before, you've just had shit semi-lucid dreams like once a year a few years ago.

I mean real OBEs.

You wouldn't even use the term "out of body experience".

[Water by the River]

5 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

real OBEs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui3IdfwraRo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI1yN7SFouo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4iQZpk1Iyw