The 5-MeO-DMT Mega-Thread

[Ero]

On 27/01/2025 at 11:08 AM, josemar said:

I personally started with 5MeoDMT and now any other  psychedelics have no visuals for me.. 5Meo DMT re-calibrated my nervous system and most others have a 5 MeoDMT flavor.

 

 

This is very interesting. I have found great value in the visuals, especially when I am in a math research state of mind. Might have to wait on the 5meo retreats until after the Fields medal lol.

[shree]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah, worked that way for me too.

 

15 hours ago, Rising Spirit said:

josemar "I personally started with 5MeoDMT and now any other  psychedelics have no visuals for me.. 5Meo DMT re-calibrated my nervous system and most others have a 5 MeoDMT flavor."

I started with 5-MeO-DMT and never experienced visuals on other psychedelics.

@Leo Gura

Did we miss something? I feel like I’ve never fully experienced the unique flavor of other psychedelics.

From your experience, do you see this phenomenon as a good thing?

[emil1234]

@shree

only thing i would be missing would be NN dmt breakthrough

[josemar]

4 hours ago, shree said:

 

I started with 5-MeO-DMT and never experienced visuals on other psychedelics.

@Leo Gura

Did we miss something? I feel like I’ve never fully experienced the unique flavor of other psychedelics.

From your experience, do you see this phenomenon as a good thing?

Are you in this for the entertainment (visuals), or for actual work? 

[shree]

11 minutes ago, josemar said:

Are you in this for the entertainment (visuals), or for actual work? 

Are you in this for rigid dogma, or for actual exploration?
 

 

32 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

@shree

only thing i would be missing would be NN dmt breakthrough

Yeah, I wonder if NN DMT would give me some visuals...

[Thetruthseeker]

Thinking of doing 5-Meo-DMT for the first time at a retreat this year… 

my only hesitation is, I’m starting to get into good flow with a new chapter in my career. I remember Leo saying that 5-Meo can disrupt that flow, so I’m hesitant. 
 

anyone got experiences where it disrupted a career flow? Or did it add a layer of depth and understanding to heighten your life purpose in a higher sense? 

[Leo Gura]

On 2/5/2025 at 0:28 AM, shree said:

I started with 5-MeO-DMT and never experienced visuals on other psychedelics.

@Leo Gura

Did we miss something? I feel like I’ve never fully experienced the unique flavor of other psychedelics.

From your experience, do you see this phenomenon as a good thing?

Visuals are a beautiful and good thing to experience.

You should still get them at high doses.

[emil1234]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Visuals are a beautiful and good thing to experience.

You should still get them at high doses.

imo the "visuals" of absolute pure perception of reality on 5meo beats any classic psychedelic visuals

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

imo the "visuals" of absolute pure perception of reality on 5meo beats any classic psychedelic visuals

I like both. There's value in both.

[OBEler]

I ask me if some neurodivergent people can find a 5 Meo breakthrough just mundane? Like nothing really happening they just rest in being? And they get no insights out of a 5 Meo breakthrough?

I had an unusual case where a friend of mine plugged a good amount of 5 Meo and his body felt asleep but he was the full time awake, there was no difference whatsoever between while his body was asleep or not. He said at the beginning he noticed strong effects but then it settled and he was just there. No thoughts. No fear, No emotions. His body felt asleep and became awake but he was just awake the whole time. He was just there. 

 

Edited February 25 by OBEler

[Leo Gura]

44 minutes ago, OBEler said:

I ask me if some neurodivergent people can find a 5 Meo breakthrough just mundane? Like nothing really happening they just rest in being? And they get no insights out of a 5 Meo breakthrough?

I had an unusual case where a friend of mine plugged a good amount of 5 Meo and his body felt asleep but he was the full time awake, there was no difference whatsoever between while his body was asleep or not. He said at the beginning he noticed strong effects but then it settled and he was just there. No thoughts. No fear, No emotions. His body felt asleep and became awake but he was just awake the whole time. He was just there. 

No, that just means it has little effect on him or he is too dense to understand what is happening.

The mind is sneaky and will try to find ways to minimize God, as if it's nothing important.

I've seen this kind of behavior in people. It's a clever trick to avoid really doing psychedelics. They will say stuff like, I don't need any more because I get it. These people are deluding themselves.

Edited February 25 by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura No he got nothing out of the trip. He plugged 25 mg. His 5 th trip so far. First one with half that dose he got way stronger reactions.

On this trip His intentions were right. He was curious what it has to offer. He wanted to know who and what he really is. It was the best case scenario.

During the trip he must felt so save his body felt asleep. He was not moving at all, his breath was deep, he was just resting in being. It was not peaceful, joyful, fearful, just nothing going on.  No thoughts, just being there. It was one continuous trip there was no shift in consciousness he reported only at the beginning where everything was whirling like snakes. From then on just being. 

Zero insights.

 

 

Edited February 26 by OBEler

[Leo Gura]

@OBEler I don't know what your point is.

If you fail to get an insight, you keep trying until you get it. No insight is ever guaranteed.

Some trips are a dud. Don't ever hinge things on a single trip. This is a deep and long process.

Edited February 26 by Leo Gura

[TheGod]

45 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is a deep and long process.

Endless? 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, TheGod said:

Endless? 

No. The important stuff you can get in finite time.

Edited February 26 by Leo Gura

[TheGod]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No. The important stuff you can get in finite time.

 Do you think there is an end to consciousness exploration? My personal direct experience so far made me think the opposite. It feels like I can transcend paradigms & dimensions forever. I don't even notice how radical my paradigm of understanding of  the present moment has become since I started doing spiritual work.

In so called future I can imagine a new god molecule that could be so radical that I can't even imagine rn 

Edited February 26 by TheGod
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[Leo Gura]

@TheGod Consciousness can be explored endlessly, but its overall structure and nature can be grasped without all those details.

All the detail is tiresome after a while. You will get sick of exploring the same kind of stuff in endless variations.

You don't need to eat every flavor of ice cream to get the gist of ice cream.

Edited February 26 by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@TheGod Consciousness can be explored endlessly, but its overall structure and nature can be grasped without all those details.

All the detail is tiresome after a while. You will get sick of exploring the same kind of stuff in endless variations.

You don't need to eat every flavor of ice cream to get the gist of ice cream.

Interesting, so could this be also a reason that you stopped psychedelics? I mean you had over 500 trips and I bet there were probably many similar trips over and over again.

 

Edited February 26 by OBEler

[Leo Gura]

11 hours ago, OBEler said:

Interesting, so could this be also a reason that you stopped psychedelics? I mean you had over 500 trips and I bet there were probably many similar trips over and over again.

No. I was nowhere close to exhausting psychedelics. I was discovering new things.

The psychedelic domain becomes so advanced that you really can't bring it back into the human domain. So the human utility does max out at some point. But the nonhuman consciousness has value for itself. But you won't be able to use it to advance your human life.

Edited February 26 by Leo Gura

[The Crocodile]

@Leo Gura Oh, I have a philosophic value dilemma I'm having trouble resolving if you could help.

Basically the idea is a really "dense" and heavy reality like our physical reality because it's in comparison to a reality which is more beautiful but less dense.

Or a reality that's infinitely extended but with more suffering versus one that's more limited but with less suffering, which is more valuable?

Assigning valuableness to different reality configurations.

Edited February 26 by The Crocodile