The 5-MeO-DMT Mega-Thread

[Thought Art]

@OBEler Hm, I remember you doing this earlier. I would consider it if it was cost effective. Did you prepare a guide?

Anyway, This pen is fantastic. I wonder what they used.

In truth, it wasn't even much more expensive. But a much higher quality.

I can really get behind this kind of product. 

Edited January 21 by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

Better to make your own pen since the pens you buy will use cheap, poisonous liquids.

You think someone selling you a pen cares about your health? Haha

Edited January 21 by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura True, this pen is a lot different than the shitty ones I used to get. I’m sure making my own is easy. 
 

Previous ones were seriously toxic. 
 

I’ll look into it. 
 

This is definitely the best one. It’s from a chemical company directly. 
 

@OBEler Didn’t you layout what you are doing in a previous thread?

Edited January 21 by Thought Art

[OBEler]

@Thought Art yes. I did in a thread about vape pens. You need to search here.

Here is everything described:

https://erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dmt/5meo_dmt_article2_vape_pens.shtml

 

[stephenkettley]

Can someone do their best to give a description of the experiential difference (I would assume structurally or qualitatively) between DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. I had two DMT trips for the first time ever late last year and that was single handedly the largest mind f**k I have ever had. So now I am curious in what way 5-MeO is different. Thanks!

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, stephenkettley said:

Can someone do their best to give a description of the experiential difference (I would assume structurally or qualitatively) between DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. I had two DMT trips for the first time ever late last year and that was single handedly the largest mind f**k I have ever had. So now I am curious in what way 5-MeO is different. Thanks!

DMT is much, much more visual.

5-MEO barely alters your sense of vision. It's visually mild while DMT is visual crack.

5-MEO is more ego-dissolving.

5-MEO has high load-body. Can be quite uncomfortable at first.

Edited January 26 by Leo Gura

[LostSoul]

@Thought Art @Leo Gura I Will be doing exhaustive research in the future, but just quick question. I have 5-meo freebase in my fridge. Will I need to buy something else to have a trip? A pen?

[Thought Art]

@LostSoul Worth looking into the type of trip you want to have and what you feel comfortable doing. You can plug or vape freebase. Not sure it needs to be in the fridge though... pretty sure room temperature is fine just keep it out of direct sunlight. There may be other considerations. Good luck looking into it.

[Thought Art]

@OBEler Thank you good sir!

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, LostSoul said:

I have 5-meo freebase in my fridge. Will I need to buy something else to have a trip? A pen?

You need some kind of vape device or oral syringe for up the butt.

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura Oops, right.

[LostSoul]

@Thought Art @Leo Gura Thanks guys. I have it on the fridge because I need to wait at least 4 years of self-development to do it. I don't know if doing it while having anxiety and some neurotic behaviours is reasonable/optimal. I want to start with mushrooms and LSD before at least. 

Is there any easy way to convert the 5meo to some form that can be snorted? If not, I will buy the syringe and become a true man 

[josemar]

2 hours ago, LostSoul said:

 

Is there any easy way to convert the 5meo to some form that can be snorted? If not, I will buy the syringe and become a true man 

If you have freebase and want to snort, you can cut it into a very fine powder (with a classic razor or the like) and snort through a straw.

Alternatively, dissolve it in vinegar so it becomes a base (a few drops of vinegar, 0.1-0.2ml max per dose), then add coconut milk to cut down the acidity, and snort the liquid with a 1ml syringe. I personally prefer snorting the powder.

2 hours ago, LostSoul said:

while having anxiety and some neurotic behaviours is reasonable/optimal. I want to start with mushrooms and LSD before at least. 

LSD and mushrooms can more often then not, amplify your neuroses and anxieties. You can be one of the lucky 1% (number pulled out of my a$$) and have an ego dissolution on LSD, but chances are that you will not.

No amount of other psychedelics will prepare you for 5Meo DMT. I would almost suggest it's better to not read up too much on it, so you don't form opinions before tripping... better to go in with close to zero prior knowledge.

Ego dissolution is almost guaranteed, so your anxieties and neuroses (being all ego) will also dissolve.

The more often you perform this ego dissolution and reassembly, you have a chance of starting to see the patterns forming up your ego, and might be able to decrease the anxieties.

Good luck.

[LostSoul]

@josemar Thank you. Pretty solid advice. I also have 5-meo-malt. For snorting, 20mg of 5-meo-dmt would be a begginer dose? Also, I want to ask your opinion on this; basically I had an sudden kindalini awakening when I was 19 (now 26), and since then I rejected/supressed a lot of emotions (I discovered i have been stuck in what they calle freeze state since then) Basically mow I feel like ready to go and do some basic emotional regulation/work. Main problem is anxiety 24/7 and inability yo change patterns of distraction. Maybe is good idea to start the path with the help of 5-meo? Thank you!

[josemar]

4 hours ago, LostSoul said:

5-meo-malt

Malt didn't really work for me, smoked felt almost nothing, snorted the whole world started moving backwords in time, with the effects before the causes... not many insights gathered from that :D.

4 hours ago, LostSoul said:

20mg of 5-meo-dmt would be a begginer dose?

I would start with 10, then 20, then 30, 40 etc... with the expectation that 30+ might be a full release dose, and the 10 and 20 might be more difficult since the ego will still be present and fighting. I would set aside one full day to take all these doses (5meoDMT does not build up tolerance) and, as soon as the previous dose is out of your system (and you're not traumatized ), go with the next one.

It's quite important to finish all 3 doses (or 4, depending on how it works for you), otherwise your ego will build up around your existing anxieties, with the danger of making you even more anxious/neurotic. But, if you get a full release dose, the ego will reassemble slightly weaker.

4 hours ago, LostSoul said:

Maybe is good idea to start the path with the help of 5-meo?

I personally started with 5MeoDMT and now any other  psychedelics have no visuals for me.. 5Meo DMT re-calibrated my nervous system and most others have a 5 MeoDMT flavor.

To reiterate, imo for most people, any psychedelics except 5 MeoDMT will be used to re-arrange the strands of the ego - for some, with better feeling thoughts, for others, anxieties will increase and they will be put off psychedelics for life. Because in a very small percentage the ego will fully release on psychs other than 5 meo DMT, so the ego will be present to classify and categorise the so called experience.

On a full release 5 Meo DMT, ego is gone, there is no experiencer anymore, there is just ... (the mystery, awareness etc, call it whatever you want, the word will not do it justice and is only a placeholder).

Then, when the ego reassembles, it starts putting whatever it thinks it experienced into the proper context it is familiar with. But the flavor is still present, when the ego was gone, and in some it can create what is called "ego backlash", where for a few days the ego might seem stronger than before, trying to re-affirm and re-anchor itself in reality.

[Rising Spirit]

josemar "I personally started with 5MeoDMT and now any other  psychedelics have no visuals for me.. 5Meo DMT re-calibrated my nervous system and most others have a 5 MeoDMT flavor."

I have noticed this same phenomenon since my 12 journies with 5-MeO-DMT.  With mushrooms, what used to be quite kaleidoscopic, now more resembles the Five sacramental experience,  just far, far less obliterating.  

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Rising Spirit said:

josemar "I personally started with 5MeoDMT and now any other  psychedelics have no visuals for me.. 5Meo DMT re-calibrated my nervous system and most others have a 5 MeoDMT flavor."

Yeah, worked that way for me too.

[LambdaDelta]

That's a very common effect, it's the same for me. About the only thing 5-MeO did for me, but very important.

[OBEler]

Oh noo...I love visuals on Al-lad..5 Meo should not take this away.

But I recognized that the audio hallucinations also went away with Allad after some trips with Allad/lsd. 

[Rigel]

Never done 5-Meo but I don’t get visuals at all on other psychs.