Posted April 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, thisintegrated said: I often view the world through the lens of SD, but that in no way means I "believe" it. The moment a better model comes along, I'll jump ship. I also view the world through the lens of MBTI, Enneagram, Socionics, etc. but obviously I don't "believe" there are 9 or 16 personality types out there. They're models. They have their uses. Magic being practiced for a long time doesn't add to its validity. People of the past weren't exactly smart. The dying beliefs from back then are dying for a reason. Do not take sd as your relegion and philosophers as your prophet.there is more to life than sd and other philophies.if jinn is so dogmatic then why are your prophets ie scientist invest millions for finding aliens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said: Do not take sd as your relegion and philosophers as your prophet.there is more to life than sd and other philophies.if jinn is so dogmatic then why are your prophets ie scientist invest millions for finding aliens Why look for aliens? Because of statistics saying it's unlikely earth is unique in the universe (and because they're basically confirmed at this point by Bob Lazar). SD, just like MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics, is not my religion, and not my belief. I can throw them away the moment something better comes along. And I recognize their flaws. I use many models as no single one is perfect. This is the opposite of how religion works. Religion = "this is the one and only truth because that's what the authority says. All else is false. I am permanently closed off to outside ideas". Me = "SD is flawed, MBTI is flawed, Enneagram is a bit dumb, but I use them all where appropriate as that's the best we have at the moment. I fully expect something better to replace these models in the future." Edited April 14, 2022 by thisintegrated Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) I forgot to point out, that discussions about, and prescriptive approaches to how to do black magif in this forum, is a guranteed thread lock and ban for such a user, because I remembered one user who opened a thread in regards to Leo's video talking about his healing journey, and part of that involved him visiting a psychic person, who forwarded him to a specialist in evoking demons in the middle of Las Vagas desert. The user was assuming in dramatic fashion that Leo had visited E.A Koetting, the guy who is a black magician and occultist who has a Youtube channel talking aboht this stuff. Leo immediately shut down that discussion and speculation of wether it was Koetting or not, and black magic. This is also along the lines of fear mongering and conspiracy theories, so I'm actually surprised that this thread is survived this far. This should at least be a thread lock and warning to you. Edited April 14, 2022 by Danioover9000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 22 hours ago, itachi uchiha said: jinn can place a block between kutastha and ajna chakra and u will turn fully retard ok Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 25 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: I forgot to point out, that discussions about, and prescriptive approaches to how to do black magif in this forum, is a guranteed thread lock and ban for such a user, because I remembered one user who opened a thread in regards to Leo's video talking about his healing journey, and part of that involved him visiting a psychic person, who forwarded him to a specialist in evoking demons in the middle of Las Vagas desert. The user was assuming in dramatic fashion that Leo had visited E.A Koetting, the guy who is a black magician and occultist who has a Youtube channel talking aboht this stuff. Leo immediately shut down that discussion and speculation of wether it was Koetting or not, and black magic. This is also along the lines of fear mongering and conspiracy theories, so I'm actually surprised that this thread is survived this far. This should at least be a thread lock and warning to you. lol this thread is about not doing occult, occult will lead to a dark path. if other people can post thread about existence of aliens, then i can post a thread about jinn as both are same thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said: lol this thread is about not doing occult, occult will lead to a dark path. if other people can post thread about existence of aliens, then i can post a thread about jinn as both are same thing lol, "Jinn" and "life on other planets" are not the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, thisintegrated said: lol, "Jinn" and "life on other planets" are not the same thing. lol jinn can travel to another planet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said: lol jinn can travel to another planet If humans exist, then aliens are likely to exist too. Jinn though.. they're not even physical beings, they have no reason to exist here. They're not part of our universe, and don't exist here. Everything written about them is just fear mongering nonsense. This alone should tell you they're made up. They have no proper back-story, nor a proper definition or reason for their alleged existence. Just vague ideas with no consistency across different cultures. You don't even hear anyone outside the middle east talking about them. Edited April 14, 2022 by thisintegrated Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 1 minute ago, thisintegrated said: Jinn though.. they're not even physical beings, they have no reason to exist here. They're not part of our universe, and don't exist here. come to my place . i will show u people who are posessed by jinn. i have seen lot of exorcism. 3 minutes ago, thisintegrated said: If humans exist, then aliens are likely to exist too. jinn = alien. also we are also alien. adam was created not on earth but in 7th sky ie another galaxy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said: come to my place . i will show u people who are posessed by jinn. i have seen lot of exorcism. And a christian would tell you it's not a Jinn possessing them, it's Lucifer or something. Everyone will have different ideas about this. 2 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said: jinn = alien. So are you saying they're non-physical being who can take over our physical bodies, or are they aliens, flesh and blood, like us? 2 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said: also we are also alien. adam was created not on earth but in 7th sky ie another galaxy You believe in creationism? You don't accept evolution, and believe humans were designed, and reproduced from just 2 original humans? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, thisintegrated said: You believe in creationism? You don't accept evolution, and believe humans were designed, and reproduced from just 2 original humans? there is no proof that a living cell can orginate from non living cell. evolution is a theory not fact 5 minutes ago, thisintegrated said: And a christian would tell you it's not a Jinn possessing them, it's Lucifer or something. Everyone will have different ideas about this. believe whatever make sense. but rejecting this is stupidity. jinn posession or occult is thousand year old science.u cannot debunk it 7 minutes ago, thisintegrated said: So are you saying they're non-physical being who can take over our physical bodies, or are they aliens, flesh and blood, like us? they are energy beings not physical . they can only take our physical body under some rare circumstances. cross diamensional communication is forbidden except under some rare circumstances Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 Someone lock this thread up already Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 @thisintegrated and @itachi uchiha , omg why are we even talking about low quality conspiracy theories? And in a trolling manner? Especially @itachi uchiha , what's so interesting about a spiritual fear mongering conspiracy theory? Is this allowed @Leo Gura ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Danioover9000 said: @thisintegrated and @itachi uchiha , omg why are we even talking about low quality conspiracy theories? And in a trolling manner? Especially @itachi uchiha , what's so interesting about a spiritual fear mongering conspiracy theory? Is this allowed @Leo Gura ? You know damn well Leo hasn't found this thread or it would be locked rn lmao somehow this thread has been under the radar Edited April 14, 2022 by Osaid Describe a thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: @thisintegrated and @itachi uchiha , omg why are we even talking about low quality conspiracy theories? And in a trolling manner? Especially @itachi uchiha , what's so interesting about a spiritual fear mongering conspiracy theory? Is this allowed @Leo Gura ? I was in disbelief that Itachi would actually believe this stuff, but my worst fears have been confirmed. So yeah, this should be locked up. 10 minutes ago, Osaid said: You know damn well Leo hasn't found this thread or it would be locked rn lmao somehow this thread has been under the radar I guess we can shitpost here until Leo comes back, lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said: @vladorion Well, maybe tone down the trolling a bit, and go and do some experiments, in your direct experience, to see if it's verifiable that magic is a belief or true, or spiral dynamics is true. And dogma doesn't work like that. I know from personal experience that magick is a thing. Sure, it's a concept that describes certain phenomena, just like anything else. You can use a different word for it, doesn't change the fact that such phenomena exist. Denying that certain things exist simply because you have not had personal experience with them or science hasn't proven their existence is simply closed-minded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) @Leo Gura posting about paranormal things is not against the forum guidelines. any mod who block this thread will be biased and is doing discrimination .this thread is against occult and is an education about paranormal field Edited April 14, 2022 by itachi uchiha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said: posting about paranormal things is not against the forum guidelines. any mod who block this thread will be biased and is doing discrimination .this thread is against occult and is an education about paranormal field The all caps title is an offense in and of itself unfortunately Describe a thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 26 minutes ago, vladorion said: I know from personal experience that magick is a thing. Sure, it's a concept that describes certain phenomena, just like anything else. You can use a different word for it, doesn't change the fact that such phenomena exist. Denying that certain things exist simply because you have not had personal experience with them or science hasn't proven their existence is simply closed-minded. I don't think anyone is denying the existence of the placebo phenomenon. 18 minutes ago, Osaid said: The all caps title is an offense in and of itself unfortunately He's right, Itachi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) @vladorion 29 minutes ago, vladorion said: I know from personal experience that magick is a thing. Sure, it's a concept that describes certain phenomena, just like anything else. You can use a different word for it, doesn't change the fact that such phenomena exist. Denying that certain things exist simply because you have not had personal experience with them or science hasn't proven their existence is simply closed-minded. Ironically, this is the exact opposite for me, as I've had a haunting in my childhood, and am experiencing a paranormal phenomena that involves either a spirit or what some other users in the spiritual sub forum call a tulpa, and did some magical processes as well. But that's besides the point. My main gripe is the subject matter being conspiratorial and apocalyptic and fear mongering in a way, and the framing of this is a bit trollish from the OP, which then opened an opportunity for another user to come into this thread to play the skeptic/debunker, while the OP is now positioned as the reactionary, defensive, close minded woowoo guy, and the conversation oddly didn't derail the thread, but any fruitful discussion is out the window and it's mostly bickering wives tales to each other and I'm also in the middle of it. So, I'll let the wives sort themselves out like my best friend suggests, so have a good discussion of whatever is left of a good discussion Edited April 14, 2022 by Danioover9000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites