When is the dose too much (Psychedelics) ?

[Jannes]

I did magic truffles today with a higher dose then usual. 12g Atlantis truffles dried. Even though I didn’t reach a breakthrough I was so high that I pretty much lost my sanity and control over anything. Got very sweaty. When I was trying to drink water I spitted it out immediately because I lost some motor control. Moving my body was incredible difficult and took all of my strength even though I could only do it in snake speed. I moved and shaked like a madman and made quit screaming noises for hours. I was so gone that I can’t even clearly remember what I was going through but I definitely wouldn’t have looked out of order if you had put me into a cell in a madhouse. But even with all of that it wasn’t a bad trip. It was pretty challenging of course but I didn’t really feel bad. I was completely insane but I was okay with being insane and didn’t resist it. But my worry is that if I had a bad trip on this level of insanity I don’t know if I could have dealt with it because I pretty much lost control over everything.
So my question is at what point do you think is the dose just to much? Do you only go so far that you always keep some level of self control or is it necessary to go into insanity to reach non dual states? 

[BipolarGrowth]

The dose is too high when it causes you to do things that fuck up your life or other people’s lives. 
 

It’s not absolutely necessary to go insane on psychedelics, but anyone who does this stuff long enough with high doses will inevitably contact something plenty of people would call madness or insanity if they experienced it themselves. The key is how this affects your life outside of the trip and if you are still insane when off of the psychedelic. 
 

Experiencing a ridiculous and intense state in the comfort of your own home is fine as long as you’re up for it. 
 

The most intense states of consciousness are more likely to be similar to madness or insanity than they are to be similar to what human beings typically call sane. The human perspective of sane experience is like 0.000001% of what consciousness can do. 

[Grateful Dead]

The safe and optimal dosage for any "medicine" falls somewhere between "not enough" and "too much".

I don't think your dose was too high, but you'll have to experiment and see what works for you.

[Vincent S]

8 hours ago, Jannes said:

So my question is at what point do you think is the dose just to much? Do you only go so far that you always keep some level of self control or is it necessary to go into insanity to reach non dual states? 

IMO: Best way is to learn to work with what you use, more and more.  
That way you can reach and savor more with less.

Also depends on how sensitive your system is for psychedelics.  
Its not going to be the same for everyone. 
   
Personally I have never tried magic truffles. But I would imagine them being similar to shrooms?

Shrooms tend to test your sanity levels, especially with higher doses. I would recommend trying other medicines/psychedelics if you can access them. And see if you can work better with any of them. 

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, Vincent S said:

  
Personally I have never tried magic truffles. But I would imagine them being similar to shrooms?

Shrooms tend to test your sanity levels, especially with higher doses. I would recommend trying other medicines/psychedelics if you can access them. And see if you can work better with any of them. 

Yeah I think magic truffles are pretty similar to magic mushrooms.

Magic truffles are very convenient for me because they are legal in my country, you can dose them really well and they last a good amount of time but also not too long. But yeah it’s probably a good idea for me to try out lsd or travel to another country to try out 5meo dmt or 5meo malt.

[RMQualtrough]

That sounds shit. At least with DMT, if you do end up screaming and flailing round the floor (which I have done), you will sober up. You DEFINITELY won't believe you ever will sober up, so this won't be helpful if you reach a point like that... And it is absolutely and utterly horrifying beyond belief... But you do come down eventually.

Never again for me. Not a chance. I wouldn't do that shit for money.

[Vynce]

@Jannes I wonder why most "dramatic trips" are connected to mushrooms or truffles. They seem to be quite wild and unpredictable. I've also rarely hear that someone reached God consciousness and awakening with them. 

I suggest that you work your way up to breakthrough dosages with LSD. Also do a lot of sober consciousness work like breathwork or meditation. You have to be 100% serious about it. 

Psychedelics are not your casual trip to goodness. You have to work for awakening.

[mojsterr]

The dose is too much if it is yesterday evening, you are me, and you did DMT.

If you ever go back in time, please beware.

[RMQualtrough]

3 minutes ago, mojsterr said:

The dose is too much if it is yesterday evening, you are me, and you did DMT.

If you ever go back in time, please beware.

Report?

[mojsterr]

32 minutes ago, RMQualtrough said:

Report?

Not a report, but similar I guess