The Awkwardness Of Spirituality

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Recently I've been thinking about how awkward spiritual talks between so called students are. When two students get into a very deep spiritual talk, there is the inevitable clumsiness that comes with it. We start playing around with language in a funny way, we go over the same idea over and over. We try to talk about something so obvious and True but the more we talk the further we delude it. 

This I think is because we are all the same God looking through different eyes. So we constantly meet ourselves. And spiritual talk inevitably reaches the point of acknowledgement of that. And then it becomes awkward. 

It's like when two men are in love with the same women and realise that they both have the same kind of love and desire that they can't hide from. And so their talk become meaningless. That but amplified to infinity.

It's like stimbling upon a friend from your early childhood that you barely remember but it awakens so many deep emotions in you and don't know what to do with it. Also that but amplified to infinity. 

I remember Leo talking about how if two people on a highest level of understanding met, that would be a silent meeting. But since we are all student sort of in the middle human journey, we can't really stand still in those meeting, so we break the silence and distract ourselves with endless senseless talk, basically beating around the bush haha

That's why teacher/student dynamic is so important. One talks, other listens. One teaches, other learns. But it's important to keep in mind that no other human is truly your teacher, and not your student. The highest teacher is God and only God. And your own most important student is yourself. 

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I think a big role in what you call awkwardness plays the fact, that spirituality is really the only topic that CANNOT find reality through talk. For example the topic "math" can be experienced in thoughts, because math is just a certain architecture of thought forms and mental constructs. 

On the other side, spiritual truths can only and ever be experienced through direct consciousness. Talking is living in thoughts and mental constructs, which is the direct opposite of you being conscious of what directly is.

That's the whole dilemma.

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2 hours ago, Vynce said:

I think a big role in what you call awkwardness plays the fact, that spirituality is really the only topic that CANNOT find reality through talk. For example the topic "math" can be experienced in thoughts, because math is just a certain architecture of thought forms and mental constructs. 

On the other side, spiritual truths can only and ever be experienced through direct consciousness. Talking is living in thoughts and mental constructs, which is the direct opposite of you being conscious of what directly is.

That's the whole dilemma.

I totally agree. Language is always the map and not the territory. But the map can also be drawn in a variety of ways, some of which go past the traditional discussion that we tend to have with each other. Religious texts and symbols imo actually do a better job at describing spiritual experiences than traditional western school of thought, which kind of resembles maths in a way that it is basically a bunch of straight lines connecting various dots in a binary code kind of way. 

You can have a deep spiritual experience through talk, but only when you accept something beyond your comprehension. Hence teacher/student mechanic. It's about letting yourself into a trance. Not about reaching the logical conclusion, which usually is the point of any discussion.