existence is eternal

[Someone here]

There is no separate god that created it.

It never began and it will never end .and we know this even scientifically. 

the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant.. it is said to be conserved over time.This law  means that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another. For instance, chemical energy is converted to kinetic energy when a stick of dynamite explodes. If one adds up all forms of energy that were released in the explosion, such as the kinetic energy and potential energy of the pieces, as well as heat and sound, one will get the exact decrease of chemical energy in the combustion of the dynamite.

[StudentX]

Existence is more fundamental than energy. Energy, no energy, form, formless, concepts. Science makes no claims about the nature of existence, it simply provides models for nature.

[Someone here]

26 minutes ago, StudentX said:

Existence is more fundamental than energy. 

What do you mean by that ? We know at the most basic level that existence is simply strings of energy .that's what quantum physics tells us.

[JosephKnecht]

@Someone here You talk too much.

Go sit in a corner for 10 days. 

 

[Someone here]

[StudentX]

21 minutes ago, Someone here said:

We know at the most basic level that existence is simply strings of energy

Oh, do we?

[Bruins8000]

Random thought that came to mind while reading this. Existence by definition is dualistic because it would need something outside of it to call it Existence. Is Nonexistence dualistic as well because it’d need “another “ to call it Nonexistence? Wise ones often say Existence vs Nonexistence is the last duality to overcome 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Bruins8000 said:

Random thought that came to mind while reading this. Existence by definition is dualistic because it would need something outside of it to call it Existence. Is Nonexistence dualistic as well because it’d need “another “ to call it Nonexistence? Wise ones often say Existence vs Nonexistence is the last duality to overcome 

Language itself is dualistic 

[Mu_]

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

There is no separate god that created it.

It never began and it will never end .and we know this even scientifically. 

the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant.. it is said to be conserved over time.This law  means that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another. For instance, chemical energy is converted to kinetic energy when a stick of dynamite explodes. If one adds up all forms of energy that were released in the explosion, such as the kinetic energy and potential energy of the pieces, as well as heat and sound, one will get the exact decrease of chemical energy in the combustion of the dynamite.

Actually Existence may not be forever.  Its forever up until this moment, which really isn't a moment in time, but the idea that Existence will continue is not guaranteed. 

If Existence were to cease, it never be known and there will cease forever to be anything at all forever.  This idea that God can not cease to exist, is a myth.

But the good news is, it hasn't happened.....yet?

Have a nice day.

[Someone here]

@Mu_ actually. Existence is eternal and it will never cease to be .you can exist as a form or as formlessness. You can destroy all forms but you will never destroy the formlessness. Because it's already nothing. Now people confuse that with noneExistence but its actually pure Existence. 

[Vynce]

@Someone hereYour words are wise on paper, but I can smell your unsatisfactory within your speech. 

If the content of your words became actual reality, the last thing you would want to do is to flood this forum with mental pictures. 

This does not provide any value to serious seekers. 

 

[gettoefl]

existence equals created plus uncreated

created was created from the uncreated 

uncreated was ... not created

your job is to go from created back to uncreated ... from the dreamed to the dreamer ... that's where the fun is

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Mu_ said:

Actually Existence may not be forever.  Its forever up until this moment, which really isn't a moment in time, but the idea that Existence will continue is not guaranteed. 

If Existence were to cease, it never be known and there will cease forever to be anything at all forever.  This idea that God can not cease to exist, is a myth.

But the good news is, it hasn't happened.....yet?

Have a nice day.

existence cannot cease for one reason: it exists. it does not pass from one point of non-existence to another, since those points do not exist, they never existed. if existence lasted an instant, that instant would be eternity...but anyway, who knows the mechanic of existence? Only speculating

[zurew]

2 hours ago, Mu_ said:

If Existence were to cease, it never be known and there will cease forever to be anything at all forever.  This idea that God can not cease to exist, is a myth.

Even to be able to say that there is something like non-existence, non-existence to be real it needs to exist.

How can non-existence exist? Only within existence.

So even the concept of non-existence is within the domain of existence. You simply cannot escape existence.

Edited March 23, 2022 by zurew

[Gesundheit2]

5 hours ago, Mu_ said:

Actually Existence may not be forever.  Its forever up until this moment, which really isn't a moment in time, but the idea that Existence will continue is not guaranteed. 

If Existence were to cease, it never be known and there will cease forever to be anything at all forever.  This idea that God can not cease to exist, is a myth.

But the good news is, it hasn't happened.....yet?

Have a nice day.

This.

[Mu_]

12 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Mu_ actually. Existence is eternal and it will never cease to be .you can exist as a form or as formlessness. You can destroy all forms but you will never destroy the formlessness. Because it's already nothing. Now people confuse that with noneExistence but its actually pure Existence. 

I use to think this.   

Existence is Eternal up until now.  It is neither and both formless and form.  But this forever and always has been is not known to continue as such.  No one knows.  If it were to End, it will never have been known and will never Exist ever again, for there will no longer be any formless or form or anyness at all to return or be or become.

[michaelcycle00]

8 minutes ago, Mu_ said:

I use to think this.   

Existence is Eternal up until now.  It is neither and both formless and form.  But this forever and always has been is not known to continue as such.  No one knows.  If it were to End, it will never have been known and will never Exist ever again, for there will no longer be any formless or form or anyness at all to return or be or become.

But, for this to be true, wouldn't linear time have to be fundamental? As I understand it, it never began so no time has ever progressed, it is what it is right now and it is absolute, so it can not "cease" to be, because again, it's happening NOW and now is all there is, so by definition, this is all there is. Therefore making concepts like eternity or non-existence just that, concepts.

[WelcometoReality]

4 hours ago, Mu_ said:

I use to think this.   

Existence is Eternal up until now.  It is neither and both formless and form.  But this forever and always has been is not known to continue as such.  No one knows.  If it were to End, it will never have been known and will never Exist ever again, for there will no longer be any formless or form or anyness at all to return or be or become.

I would say that the formless beyond time and space. Form might come to an end but the formless will not get impacted by that.

[Vynce]

6 minutes ago, A_v_E said:

@Gesundheit2 any certainty is delusion

All of them

 

 

You say that with a lot of "certainty"

 

 

[zurew]

11 minutes ago, Vynce said:

You say that with a lot of "certainty"

haha, i was about to say that.