Alpha vs Beta vs Sigma males - All bullshit?

[Ulax]

6 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Ulax

   I think you meant the opposite, that society, mainly 1st world democracies, programmes young men that their needs are only met by becoming and being in tradition roles of men, or some roles related to either labour or knowledge work in an office environment. I don't think society encourages young men to become and be players and gigalos, in fact mostly the opposite.

I didn't mean the opposite.

The impetus to become a player is projected by society in subtle ways. I.e. movies, marketing. 

[Arcangelo]

Alpha vs Beta vs Sigma males - All bullshit?

100% real.

On 3/22/2022 at 7:40 AM, martins name said:

Most people who criticize the alpha/beta distinction are betas who don't wanna own up to their weakness.

Hard agree.

 

 

 

[Ulax]

23 minutes ago, Arcangelo said:

Alpha vs Beta vs Sigma males - All bullshit?

100% real.

Hard agree.

 

 

 

You'll continue to unnecessarily suffer until you realise all parts of yourself are demanding of love, respect and protection

[Arcangelo]

@Ulax You are projecting bro

Stop it.

[Danioover9000]

@Ulax

On 3/25/2022 at 9:35 AM, Ulax said:

I didn't mean the opposite.

The impetus to become a player is projected by society in subtle ways. I.e. movies, marketing. 

   That's partly true in movies, but you will not be encouraged publicly, or in private, to chase girls in social settings.

[Danioover9000]

@SOUL

On 3/25/2022 at 4:31 AM, SOUL said:

It seems the issue stems from that they don't want to accept that there is a changing society. They want to stay attached to what they perceive in their imagination to be the 'roles' of a century ago but society doesn't ever stay the same, society is always changing.

If they had an open perspective they would see how they have been freed up from having to adhere to strict roles imposed on them by others under the guise of 'tradition'. Yet the changing society isn't requiring them to change if they don't want to. They can be whatever they want even a hybrid and there are plenty of potential partners who are seeking those supposed traditional roles or hybrids of them, Let's be honest, most people are hybrids.

They are just upset that everyone doesn't want to accept the traditional roles because they do. Of course, you will probably respond as if you think I don't understand them which is only you failing to understand that I do more than you can understand. I'm old enough to be raised seeing the shift happening real time and can appreciate that it's actually better for those who aren't attached to an imposed 'traditional' role, it's actually more free now.

The regressive mindset that has gripped many conservative causing them to thrash around in a frenzy of culture war histrionics has infected what was just normal disaffected young men struggling to find their way that has always happened. Yet now they have turned it into some ideological zealotry and waging a jihad against an imagined enemy... which is simply change. How can anyone hope to defeat change? it's impossible.

Oh... and everything is politics.

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   Alphas, betas, sigmas, deltas, omegas, gammas, romeos and charlies are terms that are not fully distinct their own, there are degrees and variations, like one time you were totally beta and had to rely on family for survival, and you become alpha slowly over time, gaining more and more of your independence, just like how one's ego development changes over time. It depends on one's stage, cognitive and moral development, personality type, states of consciousness and being and becomings, life experiences and lines of development to put this issue and other related issues of emasculation into context, into the big picture of it all. All I've read in  this forum, some other forums, the internet and library. This needs very broad thinking and nuance to know the causes for the constructions of these terms. I think you've misunderstood me for the past 4 years of me being in this forum, and I never heard of you unfortunately.

   These terms are actually more related to states of being and becoming than you think.

   

 

[Danioover9000]

@SOUL

   For example, to explain how interchangeable these terms are, a long time ago I was bullied repeatedly because my state of being was weak and cowardly, I was a beta then. I eventually beaten my bully up, and became a sort of Omega among my peers, and I could have easily become even more omega and could've done far worse, but thankfully it didn't go that way. I then studied martial arts and boxing, as a way to channel that omega energy and became slightly more alpha, and grown a bit out of that. See how fluid these terms are, like identity, nothing nefarious about them at all, other than misunderstanding how fluid and dynamic the terms are.

[Arcangelo]

2 hours ago, Ulax said:

You'll continue to unnecessarily suffer until you realise all parts of yourself are demanding of love, respect and protection

Feels Like gaslighting Tbh

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

@Ulax You are projecting bro

Stop it.

Okay dude, keep sipping your copium.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. 

[Ulax]

14 minutes ago, Arcangelo said:

Feels Like gaslighting Tbh

I'd say that is because it threatens your core beliefs about your relationship to reality, and the way you've been socially conditioned.

[Ulax]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Ulax

   That's partly true in movies, but you will not be encouraged publicly, or in private, to chase girls in social settings.

I disagree.

However, the impetus is usually a subtle one, imo.

Here's a way it could work.

You are socialised to believe you are good enough if you achieve X. You are socialised to believe that getting girls as a guy is a way of getting X. So, you come to view girls as a means of achieving X. As a means of fulfilling your needs. Women thus become objectified.

However, on another note, its a brutal cycle, because its a pure stage orange paradigm re acquiring fulfilment. Because, Materialism (alone) will not bring fulfilment/ happiness.

Edited March 26, 2022 by Ulax
grammar

[Arcangelo]

Welcome to my ignore list ulax

 

[hoodrow trillson]

Lol.  I’m not sorry but this is going to sting to some people on this forum:

There’s no such thing as an alpha male/beta male in humans.  You gotta be a low IQ idiot to believe such things because you most likely read it online and based on your anecdotal evidence, you believe it is true.  Lmfao.

Science debunked the ‘alpha, beta’ male thing in humans.  It was intended for only studies on wolves but low IQ idiots will use anything to make the fairytales in their mind seem real.  It turns out, wolf packs don’t actually have alpha males and alpha females, 
the idea is based on a misunderstanding

Hell, even the person who invented the alpha/beta thing, has disproved it in wolves.  David Mech was the ‘inventor’ of the alpha/beta theory.  It is false and outdated.  It doesn’t exist in wolves.  Yet, morons online started using these terms and applied it to humans to make it an actual thing hahaha.  If it doesn’t exist in wolves, how the fuck would it even apply to humans?  

Welcome to reality.  

“In 1970, the book The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species was published, written by David Mech. It was a success. The book helped to popularize the alpha concept, because many people referred to Mech’s work.

Mech has written on his website that he repeatedly asked the publisher to stop printing the book because much of the information is outdated — including the concept behind the alpha wolf. Nevertheless, the book is still being sold.

“David Mech, the world's most profiled wolf researcher, used the terminology alpha animals in his early research. But by the time he realized that this was a mistake, the term had already taken root in the literature. He is now struggling to get this changed,” Zimmermann said.”

And “Sigma males” is just more internet lingo that has no basis in reality.  Yeah bro, you’re a total Sigma male because you read a checklist online lmao.

Edited March 27, 2022 by hoodrow trillson

[Ulax]

10 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

Welcome to my ignore list ulax

 

Im honoured 

[BlueOak]

@Ulax

Yellow?
The perspective you are disagreeing with here also needs to be accepted. 

Turquoise?
Accepted in yourself.

Just like I have to tell you this by accepting your view 100% and understanding it 100% and giving this in the most respectful way I am able.

I failed to be respectful in my first comment here in this thread and I apologize to everyone for dismissing their identities. I have done many times in the distant past on this subject. I understand why its empowering and helpful to have this ideology and why its structure helps people relate to the individuals in the world around them.

Edited March 27, 2022 by BlueOak

[Danioover9000]

@Ulax

18 hours ago, Ulax said:

I disagree.

However, the impetus is usually a subtle one, imo.

Here's a way it could work.

You are socialised to believe you are good enough if you achieve X. You are socialised to believe that getting girls as a guy is a way of getting X. So, you come to view girls as a means of achieving X. As a means of fulfilling your needs. Women thus become objectified.

However, on another note, its a brutal cycle, because its a pure stage orange paradigm re acquiring fulfilment. Because, Materialism (alone) will not bring fulfilment/ happiness.

   I'd agree, if you are in an environment and group of horny men who have normalized to sexually objectifying woken around them.

   These are not the viking times dude.

[Danioover9000]

@hoodrow trillson

13 hours ago, hoodrow trillson said:

Lol.  I’m not sorry but this is going to sting to some people on this forum:

There’s no such thing as an alpha male/beta male in humans.  You gotta be a low IQ idiot to believe such things because you most likely read it online and based on your anecdotal evidence, you believe it is true.  Lmfao.

Science debunked the ‘alpha, beta’ male thing in humans.  It was intended for only studies on wolves but low IQ idiots will use anything to make the fairytales in their mind seem real.  It turns out, wolf packs don’t actually have alpha males and alpha females, 
the idea is based on a misunderstanding

Hell, even the person who invented the alpha/beta thing, has disproved it in wolves.  David Mech was the ‘inventor’ of the alpha/beta theory.  It is false and outdated.  It doesn’t exist in wolves.  Yet, morons online started using these terms and applied it to humans to make it an actual thing hahaha.  If it doesn’t exist in wolves, how the fuck would it even apply to humans?  

Welcome to reality.  

“In 1970, the book The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species was published, written by David Mech. It was a success. The book helped to popularize the alpha concept, because many people referred to Mech’s work.

Mech has written on his website that he repeatedly asked the publisher to stop printing the book because much of the information is outdated — including the concept behind the alpha wolf. Nevertheless, the book is still being sold.

“David Mech, the world's most profiled wolf researcher, used the terminology alpha animals in his early research. But by the time he realized that this was a mistake, the term had already taken root in the literature. He is now struggling to get this changed,” Zimmermann said.”

And “Sigma males” is just more internet lingo that has no basis in reality.  Yeah bro, you’re a total Sigma male because you read a checklist online lmao.

   There's no denying that a hierarchy is created, no matter how fundamentally relative the hierarchy is, within a group of males and females. The few leaders in charge, his/her line of first generation followers, and the rest of the followers beneath them and the ruler. Yes I'm including women as well because of a few instances of female tribes and warriors.

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, BlueOak said:

@Ulax

Yellow?
The perspective you are disagreeing with here also needs to be accepted. 

Turquoise?
Accepted in yourself.

Just like I have to tell you this by accepting your view 100% and understanding it 100% and giving this in the most respectful way I am able.
 

I don't understand

[Ulax]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Ulax

   I'd agree, if you are in an environment and group of horny men who have normalized to sexually objectifying woken around them.

   These are not the viking times dude.

I agree these are not Viking times.

However, the objectification is still present. 

[BuddhistLover]

I don't care, as long as he's hot and thinks about my problems.