Is it worth "maximising looks" for game?

[Karmadhi]

@Leo Gura I asked because i noticed i get more girls just wanting to fuck me than wanting to date me and having feelings and crushes and shit.

So in their mind i am just a cute guy so lets have his dick versus he is a great guy i want him to become my boyfriend and shit.

I do not just want to fuck these girls and then they keeping me for sex or just leaving. I see sex as a gateway to love which is what i really want.

I want a girl to be like "this guy is amaizing i want to be with him".  How do i get that to happen versus "this guy i want his dick but thats it".

Will a girl that just wanted to fuck you change her mind after sex and want to properly date you even though at first she did not want to? Is that possible?

I ask because that is what i want, sex is of second order importance to me in ITSELF. 

I am weird i know  

Edited March 21, 2022 by Karmadhi

[Valach]

@Leo Gura

I am not really sure I agree with you here. I think this thinking is more part of the history now, but I definitely feel like woman don't have to have a desire to be in a relationshi(or date you)p with you in order to sleep with you. I feel like nowadays girls have much lower standarts for sex than for relationships. I've been meeting girl who actively keep guys in a 'fuck zone' whilst he wants a relationship etc.

Maybe that's because I am in Europe or I am just meeting girls with high sex drives, but their thinking commanly is like "I didn't really like him, but I was horny, so why not sleep with him".

Pickup in general helped me understand woman tremendously, but I feel like it often described them as wanting mainly relationships, which was not my experience. Feels like in today's world girls want to sleep around and are sex positive more than guys lol.

Edited March 21, 2022 by Valach

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

I want a girl to be like "this guy is amaizing i want to be with him".  How do i get that to happen versus "this guy i want his dick but thats it".

In this case make yourself into an amazing and exceptional guy who brings a lot of value to the table.

Have a life purpose, have a good career, have your finances in order, be well educated, be spiritual, know how to give her amazing sex, know how to build deep intimacy, be in good shape, have a nice wardrobe, have a cool social circle of friends, have a cool house/condo, have some cool hobbies like travel or photography, be well-groomed.

That above is basically every girl's dream bf/husband.

But really, if you just learn to give her deep emotional sex that will be enough for her to think you're amazing and get addicted to you. Deep emotional sex is the way into her heart. The rest is window-dressing.

[cjoseph90]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

In this case make yourself into an amazing and exception guy who brings a lot of value to the table.

Have a life purpose, have a good career, be well educated, be spiritual, know how to give her amazing sex, know how to build deep intimacy, be in good shape, have a nice wardrobe, have a cool social circle of friends, have a cool house/condo, etc.

That above is basically every girl's dream bf/husband.

But really, if you just learn to give her deep emotional sex that will be enough for her to think you're amazing and get addicted to you. Deep emotional sex is the way into her heart. The rest is window-dressing.

this is spot on!!  all comes down to being emotional, myself and most girls would agree with this

[LittleYoga]

I think it would be very much possible for a woman to want just to have a casual relationship with a man, and not a committed one. Sometimes I have found men attractive that I would not date seriously, ever. And in my case it was that they were something a prior ( teen maybe?) version of myself would have found attractive- and tbh both were significaly  less intelligent than me. But very hot. People as adults change, and take different directions and the differences between them grow. I think that there is a difference between showing the best side of yourself and pretending to be someone who is not. If a woman sees you for who you are, has sex with you but doesnt want to be in a relationship, perhaps it is for the best. You are probably truly incompatible, but you might be with someone else. 

 

[somegirl]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Have a life purpose, have a good career, be well educated, be spiritual, know how to give her amazing sex, know how to build deep intimacy, be in good shape, have a nice wardrobe, have a cool social circle of friends, have a cool house/condo, etc.

I'm already in love with this description ?

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, somegirl said:

I'm already in love with this description ?

Hehe!

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, somegirl said:

I'm already in love with this description

I bascially have all of those but it is not enough.

If only it was that easy...

 

 

[PepperBlossoms]

Relationships can be super complicated - like extreme level stuff.

Some things that come to mind: Communication, patience, understanding, working together, listening, responding, humor, playfulness, seeking, growth, creativity, inspiration, love, health, sharing insights, honesty

Finding someone to grow with and that there may/will be lots of bumps along the way and that we are all flawed and still figuring stuff out

I guess also finding someone one feels comfortable around and where the other kinda has similar values and goals (although it may not start off that way but may start to merge into that).

The list will depend on the person and what one's needs/values/interests are.  Yin to the yang.  

Edited March 22, 2022 by PepperBlossoms

[Thought Art]

On 2022-03-21 at 2:06 PM, Leo Gura said:

In this case make yourself into an amazing and exceptional guy who brings a lot of value to the table.

Have a life purpose, have a good career, have your finances in order, be well educated, be spiritual, know how to give her amazing sex, know how to build deep intimacy, be in good shape, have a nice wardrobe, have a cool social circle of friends, have a cool house/condo, have some cool hobbies like travel or photography, be well-groomed.

That above is basically every girl's dream bf/husband.

But really, if you just learn to give her deep emotional sex that will be enough for her to think you're amazing and get addicted to you. Deep emotional sex is the way into her heart. The rest is window-dressing.

#goals

All things I am working on. 

Edited March 22, 2022 by Thought Art

[Striving for more]

On 3/21/2022 at 7:42 AM, Leo Gura said:

It's hard to pull consistently every week, it's much easier to set up 3 dates a week.

But Aren't there people who pull nearly every time they go out?

[RendHeaven]

On 3/21/2022 at 10:42 PM, Karmadhi said:

I bascially have all of those but it is not enough.

 

[RMQualtrough]

Nothing else matters IF you are extremely off-putting visually. That largely comes down to image.

When I look at a man I can usually spot an incel easily. I'm not sure what exactly it is. I think it may have something to do with body composition. Most incels look morbidly skinnyfat, so mega high bf% yet slim-ish with near zero muscle.

It's really rare that a guy looks incel. Maybe because incels don't ever go out and such so I don't see them.

If you don't look disgusting then women will be just as happy to sleep with you as you would to get with an average slim girl after a few drinks, and then you just need to talk.

It's quite basic really.

[something_else]

2 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

Nothing else matters IF you are extremely off-putting visually

You have to be extremely off-putting visually. Like bottom 5% of looks for guys maybe. Then I could understand this statement. But I see guys of all shapes, sizes and appearance with average to hot girls all the time

2 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

When I look at a man I can usually spot an incel easily. I'm not sure what exactly it is. I think it may have something to do with body composition. Most incels look morbidly skinnyfat, so mega high bf% yet slim-ish with near zero muscle.

It's also body language. Your brain is designed to spot fearful and 'defeated' low status body language. Or 'weak' body language. Girl's brains are even moreso wired towards detecting it. That's probably why you can spot them but can't put your finger on why you think they're an incel

[Leo Gura]

On 3/22/2022 at 1:53 PM, Striving for more said:

But Aren't there people who pull nearly every time they go out?

That's mastery level.

You will need like 10,000+ approaches to get that good.