How is War, Genocide, Torture & Suicide Gods Love?

[PataFoiFoi]

I cant understand how to see Love in these things. Why would our higher Self create a human world full of tragedies and still call this love? I bet every spiritual guru wouldnt call these things loveable if they really would experience torture, war, genocide or suicide. Some Gurus might have trained to control Pain and their Emotions but these guys are just a minor exception. God just has to be a masochist and doesnt give a fuck what each human or being feels or experiences. 

[mojsterr]

23 minutes ago, PataFoiFoi said:

God just has to be a masochist

This.

 

We somehow think (well, because we were taught) that God is only just the nice things and love and light. But in reality God is both sides of the coin. He is the love and light, and he is also the devil. God is everything. People just can't cope with that.

Edited March 17, 2022 by mojsterr

[PataFoiFoi]

52 minutes ago, mojsterr said:

But in reality God is both sides of the coin. He is the love and light, and he is also the devil. God is everything.

Exactly. But I cant understand why we are called devils if we dont love war, genocide torture etc..

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, PataFoiFoi said:

I cant understand how to see Love in these things. Why would our higher Self create a human world full of tragedies and still call this love? I 

Because you as a bias finite human call it a tragedy but God cannot bexause God is pure selflessness.  It cannot hold any bias whatsoever.

[Kksd74628]

@PataFoiFoi

Movie does not care about what it is presenting and that is love - to not judge. It is the "watcher", "perceiver" and "I" which is doing that and therefore it is selfish. That is the exact reason to understand that there is no "I" - judger - and after that everything is perfection, because perfection is absence of sense of lack. To understand that is to understand that everything that is happening right NOW is object of "perception" and there is no room for subject. So everything that happens is content of this moment and it is automatical <3 

[Gili Trawangan]

Here's the answer, beautifully explained:

 

[SgtPepper]

I have a more nuance approach personally. I do not think war, genocide, torture, or suicide is God's love. It exists because of God's love. but evil is born from the imagination forgetting or even intentionally denying itself. And in one sense suffering, kills your ego and helps you remember.

 

Edited March 17, 2022 by SgtPepper

[PataFoiFoi]

@Inliytened1 i totally get that. But why would god dream itself into lets say a human form that suffer trough all their life. Whats the benefit for that human (or in this case God tricking itself to be a human)? You can only enjoy life from the God perspective all beings and manifestations have to suffer for Gods pleasure?

[PataFoiFoi]

@SgtPepper yeah maybe its an motivation to keep us seeking for the Truth. However if one is in a finite form, he has a hard time understanding that his suffering is actually a Love from God.

[PataFoiFoi]

@Gili Trawangan Somethings are a bit clearer now. But still the question persists. Why wouldnt God dream a blissful happier life for its beings. And also God dreams war, torture etc for people (maybe masochists) who want to experience it. This would be a win-win situation.

[hoodrow trillson]

11 minutes ago, PataFoiFoi said:

@Inliytened1 i totally get that. But why would god dream itself into lets say a human form that suffer trough all their life. Whats the benefit for that human (or in this case God tricking itself to be a human)? You can only enjoy life from the God perspective all beings and manifestations have to suffer for Gods pleasure?

What makes you think God didn't dream of a perfect happy place where no war, genocide and torture exist before?  Maybe that was boring.

Edited March 17, 2022 by hoodrow trillson

[Gili Trawangan]

4 minutes ago, PataFoiFoi said:

Why wouldnt God dream a blissful happier life for its beings. And also God dreams war, torture etc for people (maybe masochists) who want to experience it. This would be a win-win situation.

These are just thoughts.

"God doesn't know suffering." It's only the (illusory) separate self that imagines, through thought, that there are beings suffering. That there is anything really happening to a being or a person.

Watch the video again

[Leo Gura]

God is EVERYTHING.

It can't exclude anything. That's Love.

[PataFoiFoi]

@hoodrow trillson The thing is there is a problem in both cases. If God dreamed a perfect happy world it would be boring. But if God also dreams a world with war, torture, genocide there is too much suffering & pain where the individuals even kill themselfs to escape this reality. So in both cases God cant create a dream where he is satisfied.

[CuriousityIsKey]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

God is EVERYTHING.

It can't exclude anything. That's Love.

Actually it can, no? I mean there are varied of things human body can't do.

[PataFoiFoi]

@Leo Gura i understand what you are saying. But the thing is we are the cost for God experiencing this all encompassing love. Just be real with me would you Leo be a crippled human that lives as a slave in poverty and only experienced war and torture to only get butchered by a tyrant at the end if his life time and still call it Love? If it were so then anything that is happening has to be love even people commiting suicide from this forum. You can correct me if im missing any building blocks here.

[Carl-Richard]

You've mistaken bias for love.

[lostingenosmaze]

@Carl-Richard ? That cuts through the butter perfectly right here. Worth contemplating on

[PataFoiFoi]

@Carl-Richard im not fully seeing it. Could you please go deeper on this or give some examples?

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, PataFoiFoi said:

@Carl-Richard im not fully seeing it. Could you please go deeper on this or give some examples?

What do you love? Your parents, your partner, your friends, your pets, your hobbies. Do you love all humans? All animals? All activities?