The concept of IQ is demoralising

[Striving for more]

Generally success is more heavily influenced by like persistence, hard work, emotional intelligence, social skills .. 

And there's way harsher problems in life than mediocre IQ

Leo & others have dismissed IQ as culturally biased & perhaps even just wrong, arguing for multiple intelligences theory & different brain types. 

However I'm pretty sure G, (general intelligence) is a solid fact of life. People are normally either good at most things, or bad at most things. 

If your brain generally functions smoothly & process information quickly, then you will probably be good (and a fast learner) in most domains. 

If you have down syndrome, you might be an awsome banjo player or something specific, but generally you will suck at most things in life & not be on the same plane as most others.

You cannot increase IQ & it genetic unless reduced e.g due to stunted development (which I'm pretty sure you can't just undo the damage 20 years later?)

So If I was exposed to toxins & mercury from a young age, and that stunted my brain development, it's unlikely I will be able to get that back. 

Leo claims the ACC ritual boosted his cognition but his cognition was clearly pretty good in the first place & then got worse but his brain had already developed. He was clearly able to think well even with an atrocious diet as a teen & was philospohically inclined. 

My claim is that probably, brain toxin - induced brain damage from a young age, unless treated early on, is unfixable, there is permanent damage or stunting that one must accept because look, if you devoid a plant of sunlight & nutrition or trample on it, it's not gonna miracously recover or reach it's full growth potential later on if you add some healing ritual. 

As for the Productive side of this question : Should I give up on all heavy learning based pursuits & accept that it is not for me?  Why play to my weakness or listen to leo unless it's about dumb stuff like pickup, I am not mentally competent so am I better off doubling down on simple stuff like social intelligence, business, hard work, & giving up more intellectual. 

Apologies, this topic is waffly & slightly anti personal development, I recognize there's more to life than IQ, But I had this fantasy in my head that detoxing myself of toxins would "Raise my IQ back to average intelligence or above "where I was meant to be all along" ", but now I'm trying to avoid dissapointment & considering that probably, I was dealt bad hands genetically or exposed to too much that stunted me as a kid, different to leos situation whereby he developed cognitive decline due to environmental factors but his brain structure had already been formed in a sufficient manner. 

some people born tall handsome & others deformed midgets, so why not like this in cognitive capacities. A midget can never become 6 foot tall yet leo claims intelligence is something you can cultivate. 

 

 

Edited March 15, 2022 by Striving for more

[mojsterr]

I've read that meditation helps grow grey matter in the brain. I was of the impression that you could regenarate that? I still am.

Edited March 15, 2022 by mojsterr

[Leo Gura]

If you were born a mule, indeed your intelligence would be crippled and there would be nothing you could do about it.

However, much can be done to increase a healthy human's intelligence.

A lot of high IQ people are pretty dumb in terms of how they live life.

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Striving for more said:

As for the Productive side of this question : Should I give up on all heavy learning based pursuits & accept that it is not for me?  Why play to my weakness or listen to leo unless it's about dumb stuff like pickup, I am not mentally competent so am I better off doubling down on simple stuff like social intelligence, business, hard work, & giving up more intellectual. 

If heavy learning doesn't suit you, no problem. Work on all the other parts of your life. Heavy learning is overrated and not necessary to live a great life.

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Striving for more said:

You cannot increase IQ & it genetic unless reduced e.g due to stunted development (which I'm pretty sure you can't just undo the damage 20 years later?)

Heavy weight training increases IQ.

[Striving for more]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Heavy learning is overrated and not necessary to live a great life.

Then why do you recommend it so much. You made multiple videos on learning + mentioned it in your core pillars of the good life. 

[Preety_India]

 

What is ACC ritual? 

[vindicated erudite]

34 minutes ago, Striving for more said:

Generally success is more heavily influenced by like persistence, hard work, emotional intelligence, social skills .. 

Success is actually achieved by knowing the right people and being in the right place at the right time.

39 minutes ago, Striving for more said:

Leo & others have dismissed IQ as culturally biased & perhaps even just wrong, arguing for multiple intelligences theory & different brain types.

IQ is actually a small factor of what intelligence actually is. IQ is a measure of somebody's complex problem-solving skills. As someone who's gotten 140 on IQ tests before I can confidently say they are a meme and increase when you practise problem-solving activities. Also with IQ tests, they tend to be extremely simple in nature usually the dumbest answer is usually right since at most they only require 1-4 steps to complete the question. 

Intelligence is genetic and heritable. However, with the genetics of intelligence, there is no simple gene that decides if you're a genius or not. There are thousands of genes that influence a person's behaviour. 

Having a high IQ is a curse in many respects. Just to name a few downsides:

• There seems to be a few traits that influence high intelligence. Many of the genes that code for autism overlap with high IQ and such make it harder for high IQ people to get along in society due to being low in empathy, high in systematising, being highly fixated on the truth and low in agreeableness.
• Also, they tend to find it harder to make friends because no one seems to understand them due to the fact that outlier high IQ people are so rare.
• Outlier high IQ people tend to be non-conformist and thus have been and are usually shunned from society due to going against social norms and taboos.
• They also find it harder to do everyday tasks that are associated with lower-level G-factor intelligence such as driving a car because they are extremely environmentally sensitive and specialise their mental capacity on much more complex tasks.

1 hour ago, Striving for more said:

You cannot increase IQ & it genetic unless reduced e.g due to stunted development (which I'm pretty sure you can't just undo the damage 20 years later?)

You can increase crystalised IQ and this is the reason why (I believe) average IQ scores have been increasing over time.

Ideally, if you want to be a normal person in society and still be considered smart at the same time you need an IQ of 120. Anything higher than that is living life in hard mode.

1 hour ago, Striving for more said:

If you have down syndrome, you might be an awsome banjo player or something specific, but generally you will suck at most things in life & not be on the same plane as most others.

This is the spot-on description of a person with an outlier high IQ minus the down syndrome part.

1 hour ago, Striving for more said:

I was dealt bad hands genetically or exposed to too much that stunted me as a kid,

Most geniuses live their lives never knowing that they're intelligent. 

 

 

[Preety_India]

@Carl-Richardcan you tell me what this ACC thing is? 

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Carl-Richardcan you tell me what this ACC thing is? 

Is it Andy Cutler Chelation? Heavy metal detox protocol?

[Preety_India]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

Is it Andy Cutler Chelation? Heavy metal detox protocol?

Yea must be that. Thank you so much for resolving the confusion. 

 

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Preety_India said:

Yea must be that. Thank you so much for resolving the confusion. 

Haha I was also confused.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Striving for more said:

Then why do you recommend it so much. You made multiple videos on learning + mentioned it in your core pillars of the good life. 

The learning I teach isn't some dense academic stuff. You don't need high IQ to do it.

Even a dog learns when you hit him over the head enough times.

Yes, learning is essential. But academia is not.

[Karmadhi]

IQ has nothing to do with wisdom.

What is important to live a good life is wisdom, not IQ.

Plus tbh even for the more shallow materialistic type of Orange success, EQ and social skills matter WAY MORE than IQ.

I would say wisdom and EQ both outmatch IQ by a mile.

Funny thing is that if your EQ and wisdom are well-developed, people will automatically assume you are smart. Happens to me all the time. I never took an IQ test and never plan to, however i think i might be slightly above average but nothing crazy (I scored around 1200 on the SAT). However, because my EQ and wisdom are well developed for someone my age (im 23), people automaically tell me stuff like you are smart etc. It is quite funny, almost like good marketing  

So yeah, do not worry about this bullshit. Focus on improving your social skills, meditate, read books and develop EQ. 

IQ obession fundamentally is caused by lazy people who do not want to do any work to improve and grow themselves because IQ is mostly set in stone and cannot be changed. 

Ironically usually Incels that obsesses about facial aesthetics also tend to focus about IQ a lot. Why? Because they have a deterministic attitude towards everything in life. Do not become such a person.

Edited March 15, 2022 by Karmadhi

[Tudo]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Heavy weight training increases IQ.

How do you know this? There is any serious research showing this?

[JuliusCaesar]

I usually don't comment on forum posts like this, but for some reason, I feel like doing so now. Anyway, my position on this subject would be that the IQ concept has many limitations and even issues within itself. The foremost being it's over-reliance on measuring awareness of rationale(use of inductive thinking, generalizing, this is also the cognitive function which enables you to be aware of the logical thinking of others and compare one thing against another) and almost not at all on measuring logical awareness(deductive thinking, this occurs by reasoning in terms of true/false, and is separate from rationale as that function allows you to reason in terms of the logic of your other-selves).

 

So right off the bat, logically intelligent individuals would be more likely to struggle with IQ tests, whereas rational individuals would be expected to excel. And we know that if you succumb to group-think often you're probably not the sharpest pencil in the box. As obviously you'll only be correct when everyone else is, and in error when everyone else is as well. This isn't to say that a rational person is automatically stupid, or a logical person is automatically irrational. However, in general, human cognition tends to occur in such a way as to comport with these stereotypes. Therefore, it would seem useful to create a test that measures both logical and rational intellect instead of the preponderance towards rational thinking that the IQ test uses.

[Leo Gura]

My IQ is probably not too special if I was tested.

But my actual intelligence is shockingly high. And I would not trade it for a higher IQ.

I would not trust any human with testing my intelligence accurately.

The true measure of intelligence is holistic comprehension.

[zurew]

IQ can be good to get a sense about certain kinds of things. A certain amount of IQ is required for every job, because if you don't have the bare minimum amount, you basically incapable of doing certain things and you can't really learn effectively. Once the bare minimum is reached, then after that it can be argued, that it doesn't have that much significance for a normal person. If you want to go to the academic field, or if you want to do a certain kind of job, then yes you will need to have a higher amount.

But looking at it in a broader sense, it is just one intelligence measure from the many. But just as with anything, you need a certain amount of it, to be able to be more effective at anything.

It is very unintelligent in my opinion, to only use IQ tests to figure out how intelligent a person is.

Here you can see other kinds of intelligences. But even this is limited.

 

 

[Karmadhi]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But my actual intelligence is shockingly high. And I would not trade it for a higher IQ

You develop it through stuff like meditation, contemplation, self-inquiry, reading good books, maybe bit of psychadelics, opening your mind, emotioanl mastery. Stuff like these right?

[vizual]

It’s amazing what a person can accomplish with just hard work, determination and enthousiasm. I know two women who became doctors and I highly doubt they score a 100IQ points if you tested them.

Success is also greatly decided by your self confidence. And I think smarter people are also more likely to doubt themselves probably because they self reflect more. A healthy dose of ignorance can actually be a huge advantage into becoming successful.

Edited March 16, 2022 by vizual