Is the concept of ’Enlightenment’ only for sad and lonely people?

[FromSweden]

28 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

yeah you are just happy by itself  no conditions required but to be empty of ego/conditioning if you know what i mean....

Like getting contact with a deeper universe in our own self?

Why are lost from the first place?

What am I before i find my own ”conditions”..? 

 

[Etherial Cat]

29 minutes ago, FromSweden said:

Where does this fear come from?

For the ego to exist, it artificially creates a sense of separation between itself and the rest of the what is.

This separation is created by generating fear, which prevents it to merge with the rest of what is- which is infinite love. Fear isolates the ego. This is what we experience as the fear of death, which is the mother of all fears.

39 minutes ago, FromSweden said:

What are the mechanics behind a persons ”unnecessary projection” ? ?

As life unfolds, we store emotions, thoughts and beliefs in our body and they are then projected outwards, on actuality. What is inside the ego tint our awareness's experience like some colored paper on a lense, and the lens is anyway useless because you can directly experience what you are looking out without resorting to the lens.

46 minutes ago, FromSweden said:

Do our mind want to first become a person and later deconstruct this person?

As human beings we need an ego until we get mature enough to survive without it. It is like a protective shell that unlock with maturity. 

You spend the first part of your life building your ego, and then when it generates too much suffering and the desire for truth happen you should shed it.

[BipolarGrowth]

Deep suffering can definitely be an effective catalyst, but it’s not a necessity. Although people usually will go to extraordinary lengths when they have no other choice. 

[Ulax]

Hi mate,

My opinion is that enlightenment can be used as a tool to escape reality. And, can be done out of a desire to self-actualise.

I think it depends upon where you are in the spiral (spiral dynamics wise). For example, if you are stage yellow, then I think its a natural progression to then later seek enlightenment.

However, I think it can be a perhaps unhealthy coping mechanism for those who haven't integrated their stage red enough. Their thinking might be I need not fight the dangers if I can escape them entirely.

[JosephKnecht]

15 hours ago, FromSweden said:

Why you start to reject reality?

Do we need to find a new reality then?

Does this new insight(?) to look for something just arise? From what, from where…?

??

Because to stop living in the reality created by others, first you have to reject theirs to create yours. 

There is only one Reality but IT doesn't get improved by those who go along with the flow.

Reality tends to improve by those who first reject, deconstruct it, imagine a better one and work to bring it into reality. 

[gettoefl]

19 hours ago, FromSweden said:

Hmm…

What is insanity? To take part of the life around, to work, having friends? 
 

Or do you mean the mind makes problems for us? 

 

insanity is the mind running your life, you are not mind is what meditation reveals, you are the one who can instead watch your mind

[Dumuzzi]

Most people have no idea what the fuck enlightenment even means so they pretend they know or even worse, that they've experienced it. It is an overused word anyway, that has lost most of its original meaning.

The path towards enlightenment tends to be a solitary one, not much partying, socialising, drinking or drug-taking involved, hence an outside observer might conclude that someone choosing the spiritual path is lonely.

[Spence94]

@FromSweden I like what Russell Brand said once:

"I do meet people that are alright with the material world. 'I am a material girl living in a material world.' but for me, no. I sense and have always known that this is not it, that this is not real. Nobody gave me any grammar to explain it, becuase If you grew up in England, people don't talk about it, they just tell you to chase things like women, money, career, football and fame and the things that actually work you sort of dismiss like you owe them money, ' oh I have to avoid yoga and meditation' that have been portrayed by the mainstream as artificial or luxury. But it's not artificial or luxury, it's the most authentic thing there is, it's more real than any of us.

If people don't need enlightenment then they don't need enlightenment, if there is not a problem then there is not a problem. But if you have some kind of scratch, some kind of itchy irritability, some yearning, some craving, some dissatisfaction, then perhaps it's because you're not looking in the right place and you need to look within, and that within you lies an infinite capacity for bliss through a connection to higher things." 

- Russell Brand

Edited March 17, 2022 by Spence94