Is the concept of ’Enlightenment’ only for sad and lonely people?

[FromSweden]

Dear Forum,

1) English is not my main language ?

2) I’m serious with my question and want to discuss it thoroughly. ?

Is the idea of enlightenment only for sad and lonely people? 
 

The majority of people I meet daily seems to always talk about materialism and what they want to do and become. People seems to talk about progression and enjoy it. This is from a western perspective. I can sometime hear people struggling, and they never have enough. 
 

Never do I hear anyone talk about seeking another world, confront the idea of reality we live in, other than in a political perspective. 

So I still wonder, Why should anyone care about ’Enlightenment’, ’Ego-stages’ or similar ideas, when people instead could get a work, be entreprenauer or help others who are not so lucky to live in, example, western sociaty?

 

All the best ?

[Sucuk Ekmek]

Haha funny question, acording to Kant no, for him enlightenment is a necessity for everyone. 

'' Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance.'' 

He says : Dare to know! 

Of course there are many interpretations but I find Kant's most fitting. 

[FromSweden]

1 hour ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage

Thanks for good replay ✍?
 

Does this mean the understanding of enlightement have disappeard from the sociaty? 
 

Why don’t more people seek or seen this? 
 

 

 

Edited March 15, 2022 by FromSweden

[Osaid]

Maybe sad and lonely people are more likely to seek it, but I don't think It's necessary. I mean, I wasn't sad or lonely, just curious.

[vizual]

Spirituality is the only hobby where the goal is to get absolutely nothing out of it

[kamwalker]

Everyone is seeking enlightenment whether they realize it or not. It might look on the surface like they are doing the exact opposite, but every action someone takes is just an attempt at reaching oneness. Of course some of these actions are a less efficient method than others for getting there. But the ego can only mask the soul for so long. 

[FromSweden]

18 minutes ago, kamwalker said:

Everyone is seeking enlightenment whether they realize it or not.

Thanks for your post! ?

I’m very curious, How can we know this?

Does this mean that people I see every day want to reach a new state of being?

18 minutes ago, kamwalker said:

But the ego can only mask the soul for so long. 

But many people I meet seems happy, or wants to be in their state of mind..? 
 

Or, people I meet have never thought that life could have a ”higher” purpose.

How is Ego relevant to ordinary people?
 

 

Edited March 16, 2022 by FromSweden

[kamwalker]

18 minutes ago, FromSweden said:

Thanks for your post! ?

I’m very curious, How can we know this?

Does this mean tjat people I see every day want to reach a new state of being?

But many people I meet seems happy, or wants to be in their state of mind..? 
 

Or, people I meet have never thought that life could have a ”higher” purpose.

How is Ego relevant to ordinary people?
 

 

 The mind is creating all the supposed problems in one's life. People are trying to solve these problems to reach a point of peace where problems no longer matter. Everyone is doing this in a variety of different ways. This does not mean everyone is directly conscious of a specific state of being they want to be in, they just know where they are right now is not where they ultimately want to be. What people actually want is a complete dissolution of the ego, they just don't realize it. You can be happy or sad person and this still applies. It applies to all. 

[JosephKnecht]

16 hours ago, FromSweden said:

Is the idea of enlightenment only for sad and lonely people? 

The idea of enlightenment tends to possess the people that have rejected reality and are seeking 'something' better.

The seeking makes them lonely, for nobody understands them. 

The seeking makes them sad, for that which they seek can't be found. 

But, there is a difference between the idea of enlightenment and 'enlightenment' itself. 

Relinquishing the idea also relinquishes sadness and loneliness. 

[gettoefl]

the unawake see the enlightened as sad and lonely ... how can a person not want booze birds benzes

the enlightened see the unawake as sad and lonely ... how can a person not walk to escape insanity slavery hostility

Edited March 16, 2022 by gettoefl

[Carl-Richard]

Different people have different needs.

[Sucuk Ekmek]

21 hours ago, FromSweden said:

Does this mean the understanding of enlightement have disappeard from the sociaty? 
 

Why don’t more people seek or seen this? 
 

 

 

 No, I don't think it's disappeared. From my experience  it's even increased, I can safely say %1 of the population seeks understanding. Compared to older generations this is very high.

[NoSelfSelf]

On 15. 03. 2022. at 8:01 PM, FromSweden said:

 they never have enough. 

 

 

Materialism=temporary happiness

Spirituality=permenent happiness

[FromSweden]

17 hours ago, kamwalker said:

The mind is creating all the supposed problems in one's life. People are trying to solve these problems to reach a point of peace where problems no longer matter.

What kind of problems? 
 

Like, what I should study, where I should live, Who I want to become? ?

Sometime It looks like some people engage to much in what other do, or starting conflicts with people to show more of their own ”ego” ..?

 

[FromSweden]

8 hours ago, JosephKnecht said:

The idea of enlightenment tends to possess the people that have rejected reality and are seeking 'something' better.

Why you start to reject reality?

Do we need to find a new reality then?

Does this new insight(?) to look for something just arise? From what, from where…?

??

 

 

[FromSweden]

5 hours ago, gettoefl said:

how can a person not walk to escape insanity slavery hostility

Hmm…

What is insanity? To take part of the life around, to work, having friends? 
 

Or do you mean the mind makes problems for us? 

 

[FromSweden]

52 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

permenent happiness

In what shall this arise?

If we don’t buy our happiness, are we happy with our own being?

Is this planet a joy then..? Planet ? 
A joy only for me? 

 

[Etherial Cat]

Enlightenment is not a concept. It is actuality. 

The reason why one needs to deconstruct and get rid of the ego is because the ego is responsible for creating an overlay of unnecessary projection upon reality that are caused by its perpetual underlying feeling of fear.

[NoSelfSelf]

@FromSweden yeah you are just happy by itself  no conditions required but to be empty of ego/conditioning if you know what i mean....

[FromSweden]

1 hour ago, Etherial Cat said:

unnecessary projection upon reality that are caused by its perpetual underlying feeling of fear.

Where does this fear come from?

What are the mechanics behind a persons ”unnecessary projection” ? ?

Do our mind want to first become a person and later deconstruct this person?

Edited March 16, 2022 by FromSweden