Do u love redpill or do u hate redpill

[itachi uchiha]

1 hour ago, Arcangelo said:

I don't expect any woman to understand redpill.

Actually I expect what you did from any woman.

Redpill threatens women's survival agenda. That's why they demonize it and call it shit.

@Arcangelo @hyruga 

Some of the red pill ideas like

Woman hit a wall after age 30.no one gives a fuck about a 35+ year old woman.

Woman burn out very fast.from 18 to 29 they look for alpha.after 29 years they look for beta provider

Smv graph

A woman cannot have it all.

Etc overkills feminist ideologies.redpill has everything to counter feminism.hence woman fucking hate redpill.

[itachi uchiha]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

Yea, but imagine you could get that without the very negative and toxic parts of redpill? Would that not be better?

 

If a man really understand redpill, it would threaten feminism to the root core.hence there is a big propoganda going on to deamonize redpill.u should get smart.try to understand redpill instead of taking the bait.if u understand redpill, u can tweak it ,modify it and make it 100% posetive.if there were no propoganda out there redpill would have been revolutionary.but redpill is scilenced.if u think redpill is evil ,then u do not understand redpill.redpill has huge potential

[itachi uchiha]

The fact that woman and pro feminist goverments hate redpill and trying to deamonize it shows the potential of redpill

[something_else]

20 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

If a man really understand redpill, it would threaten feminism to the root core.hence there is a big propoganda going on to deamonize redpill.u should get smart.try to understand redpill instead of taking the bait.if u understand redpill, u can tweak it ,modify it and make it 100% posetive.if there were no propoganda out there redpill would have been revolutionary.but redpill is scilenced.if u think redpill is evil ,then u do not understand redpill.redpill has huge potential

Why do you hate feminism? Where have you sourced your ideas about what feminism is? 

These are not rhetorical questions, actually come up with your answers to them

[itachi uchiha]

6 minutes ago, something_else said:

Why do you hate feminism? Where have you sourced your ideas about what feminism is? 

 

Read redpill handbook second edition pdf and find it out yourself

Also read rational male by rollo tomassi.

 

[Ulax]

Imo, red pill is devastatingly dumb.

Go do pickup if you're in that sort of paradigm at least. I think that is even too toxic.

Red pill is people jacking each other off to strange bedtime stories about the world.

[something_else]

8 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

Read redpill handbook second edition pdf and find it out yourself

Also read rational male by rollo tomassi.

 

I asked you specifically why you hate feminism. What are your reasons for believing that feminism is bad? What are the reasons that are most convincing to you?

[itachi uchiha]

3 minutes ago, something_else said:

I asked you specifically why you hate feminism. What are your reasons for believing that feminism is bad? What are the reasons that are most convincing to you?

There are lot of things to hate about feminism.the thing i hate the most is hypergamy.feminist bitch and moan about equal rights and equal opertunity but they date only up.in my college days i have seen a lot of very handsome guys dating girls below their league.but i have never seen a girl dating a guy below her league.when i was stage greene i had this notion of "oh everything should be equal"". And i was in that delusion of equality until redpill woke me up to truth.i had wasted a lot of time chasing chicks above my league.if i had read redpill i would get correct expectation and would had a good time.instead i wasted my teenage and early youth

[something_else]

9 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

There are lot of things to hate about feminism.the thing i hate the most is hypergamy.feminist bitch and moan about equal rights and equal opertunity but they date only up

Do you not think women should have equal rights and be treated equally?

21 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

but i have never seen a girl dating a guy below her league

I see girls with physically less attractive guys all the time. One of my best friends in college is a 5ft6 Indian guy who's dated and slept with way more and way hotter girls than I ever have, pretty much entirely through sheer confidence

And men don't want to settle for someone below their league either, we just tend to be less picky about who we'll fuck. You don't need redpill to tell you that

 

[Arcangelo]

3 hours ago, itachi uchiha said:

Woman hit a wall after age 30.no one gives a fuck about a 35+ year old woman.

Woman burn out very fast.from 18 to 29 they look for alpha.after 29 years they look for beta provider

I agree this is 100% toxic

I am a feminist.

[itachi uchiha]

4 hours ago, something_else said:

 

I see girls with physically less attractive guys all the time. One of my best friends in college is a 5ft6 Indian guy who's dated and slept with way more and way hotter girls than I ever have, pretty much entirely through sheer confidence

And men don't want to settle for someone below their league either, we just tend to be less picky about who we'll fuck. You don't need redpill to tell you that

 

@something_else redpill is for those who are at the bottom of the pyramid.if u already knew the information on redpill before reading it then ,u r not in the bottom. redpill has the power to invert the pyramid.i am super dumb in dating and redpill made me aware of everything within 7 hours.redpill is the fastest way for a noobie to understand woman.

 

4 hours ago, something_else said:

Do you not think women should have equal rights and be treated equally?

 

There is no such thing as equality.ask a biologist.in dating woman date up and men date down.where is equality in all this

 

4 hours ago, something_else said:

 

One of my best friends in college is a 5ft6 Indian guy who's dated and slept with way more and way hotter girls than I ever have, pretty much entirely through sheer confidence

 

 

That is just 1 guy.tgat is not the norm.that is an exception

[zurew]

7 hours ago, itachi uchiha said:

There is no such thing as equality.ask a biologist.in dating woman date up and men date down.where is equality in all this

You are watching too much fresh&fit and redpill. They are generalizing a lot, trying to sell their narrative by ignoring the nuance in these situations, using cherrypicked statistics as if i couldn't bring other statistics that could prove the opposite what they are talking about. There is a lot of difference between woman to woman in values depending on a lot of stuff. f&f only focusing mostly on Miami woman. There is a very specific dynamic and a lot of money hungry woman there, but thats not mean that every woman is that way.

 You need to look for nuance, because you can get trapped into these ideologies. Anytime anyone shows you an example that not fits your way of thinking you can say that 'that is an exception to the rule' or you could think about making your model more nuanced. What about sugarmommies? Are they dating up or down, i suppose they are dating down, and there are more and more sugarmommas out there.

Btw equality between genders not necessarily mean, that all the dynamics between sexes will just suddenly change and that everyone will treat the opposite sex just as they treat their own sex. When woman talk about equality they are mostly talking about rights and opportunities, not that now they won't date up or down. The point of not toxic feminism is to make as many opportunities for woman as for man, and the end of the day to have the same rights. Its a net benefit for society, especially if we are talking about economic growth, if more woman can get educated, and more people (in this case woman) can find their own way in life, the more positions can be occupied.

You might not like that change, that more woman can earn a lot of money, because you can't use your money that easily at the dating market, so you need to build yourself up, and show why you are a special compared to the others. I think this dynamic change in the dating market is beneficial, because you really need to put some stuff on the table, and you won't just be able to get woman with your money.

This dating stuff is all about understanding yourself ,your values and knowing with what type of person you can go well along with. If you like woman with x values, then you need to work yourself to be adequate for the dynamic that the x type of woman will bring. Its all about adapting to the situation and person.

If there is a more feminine guy, who wants to be leaded by a masculine woman because he is that way, you can say that he needs to work on his masculinity or he don't have to strive to be an alpha, and then he will find a woman, who likes him that way, and attracted to him that way. If this particular guy attracted to more to masculine woman and his partner like that she can be the leader, then whats wrong with that?

I think we really have to be careful with trying to put everyone in a box, so we can make sense of the world in a more easier and reductionistic way. Its too reductionistic and sometimes there is a lot of nuances that being missed on.

[itachi uchiha]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

You need to look for nuance, because you can get trapped into these ideologies. Anytime anyone shows you an example that not fits your way of thinking you can say that 'that is an exception to the rule' or you could think about making your model more nuanced.

the woman i have seen in my society behave by hypergamy.i do not need to make my model more neanced. truth is simple  and straight forward. i have not seen a single woman who behave against hypergamy. and my place is not a city and is far away from usa and is not that advanced. and woman behave like other redpill concepts .it amaze me that redpill accurately describes woman in my society when my society is a mix of blue and orange

 

1 hour ago, zurew said:

The point of not toxic feminism is to make as many opportunities for woman as for man, and the end of the day to have the same rights. Its a net benefit for society, especially if we are talking about economic growth, if more woman can get educated, and more people (in this case woman) can find their own way in life, the more positions can be occupied.

woman will get value diminished since her age 24 and hit the wall at 30 and she will be 30% of her prime  potential.feminism made them chase phds and all other big degrees. and by the time they finish the phds they will be above age 30 and no one will give a fuck about them. the problem is that they wil be unhappy . feminism has caused unhappyness to woman. also if a woman get phd then she is hypergamous and the amout of men she can marry get very  reduced.if she get married to a lesser guy, she will be unhappy with him  for the rest of marriage. i have seen this in my own life . so feminism made both male and females unhappy and u can check the data .there is study on this .

 

1 hour ago, zurew said:

You might not like that change, that more woman can earn a lot of money, because you can't use your money that easily at the dating market, so you need to build yourself up, and show why you are a special compared to the others. I think this dynamic change in the dating market is beneficial, because you really need to put some stuff on the table, and you won't just be able to get woman with your money.

an ordinary guy do not give a shit about her degrees and money. men in general care about looks and charecter. but that is an ordinary guy who have high integrity. there are guys who marry only for money and who are corrupt

 

1 hour ago, zurew said:

If there is a more feminine guy, who wants to be leaded by a masculine woman because he is that way, you can say that he needs to work on his masculinity or he don't have to strive to be an alpha, and then he will find a woman, who likes him that way, and attracted to him that way. If this particular guy attracted to more to masculine woman and his partner like that she can be the leader, then whats wrong with that?

this goes against our insticts. a man have the instinct to be masculine. and woman have the insticnt to be feminine. feminism has made woman to be more masculine. but in a relationship if the man is more feminine that woman , the woman will lose intrest . in a relationship man need to be masculine and woman need to be feminine. that is the natural instinct we have. divorces happen because men are not masculine enough

 

1 hour ago, zurew said:

I think we really have to be careful with trying to put everyone in a box, so we can make sense of the world in a more easier and reductionistic way. Its too reductionistic and sometimes there is a lot of nuances that being missed on.

many of womans nature is same whether she is in usa or india or africa. that is what redpill points out. the greate PUA s  before us figured out woman nature and there are some patterns and that pattern is described in redpill. woman have the same pattern of nature whether they live in usa or india. also i do not agree 100 % with redpill. i disagree with many aspects of it . but there are some mindblowing truths in redpill

[zurew]

21 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

woman will get value diminished since her age 24 and hit the wall at 30 and she will be 30% of her prime  potential.feminism made them chase phds and all other big degrees. and by the time they finish the phds they will be above age 30 and no one will give a fuck about them. the problem is that they wil be unhappy . feminism has caused unhappyness to woman. also if a woman get phd then she is hypergamous and the amout of men she can marry get very  reduced.if she get married to a lesser guy, she will be unhappy with him  for the rest of marriage. i have seen this in my own life . so feminism made both male and females unhappy and u can check the data .there is study on this .

This is again a generalization. Not all woman will want to get a phd, just because they can get phd. And then even if they want to get a phd, that does not mean, that they don't want to start a family before they finish their phd-s. There are carrier woman out there, and there are some conservative woman as well. Just because you have a choice to eat everything that does not mean, that you will eat everything that you can, it just means you have more choice. I know there is a study on this, that suggests that if a woman don't have a family after x age then she is much more unhappier compared to other ones. But again we have to be careful how these statistics are structured, because you can use statistics to sell any narrative , if you only focus on certain aspects and ignore the others.

Even if that particular statistic is right (about having children = more happiness for woman), Feminism does not cause directly unhappiness to a woman, because again feminism and not having children is not directly related. I have seen it in my own life aswell, when a "bigger" status woman dated a "lower" status guy, and now you can say that is exception to the rule again.

 

21 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

this goes against our insticts. a man have the instinct to be masculine. and woman have the insticnt to be feminine. feminism has made woman to be more masculine. but in a relationship if the man is more feminine that woman , the woman will lose intrest . in a relationship man need to be masculine and woman need to be feminine. that is the natural instinct we have. divorces happen because men are not masculine enough

There is a very blurry line between man and woman. Why? because you can clearly see in our modern society, that masculinity does not only related to man, and femininity does not directly relates only to woman. You can see more and more masculine woman, and more and more feminine man.

 

21 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

many of womans nature is same whether she is in usa or india or africa. that is what redpill points out. the greate PUA s  before us figured out woman nature and there are some patterns and that pattern is described in redpill. woman have the same pattern of nature whether they live in usa or india. also i do not agree 100 % with redpill. i disagree with many aspects of it . but there are some mindblowing truths in redpill

Yes i am not denying that redpill has some truth in it. But has some toxicity and generalizations as well. Again, most of the time if you want to create a model and you want to force a narrative you will end up with a lot of 'exceptions to the rule' because your model won't fit reality. Red pill is not reality, redpill is a model to make sense of dynamics in reality, so it will be only partially true.

Edited March 19, 2022 by zurew

[itachi uchiha]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

I know there is a study on this, that suggests that if a woman don't have a family after x age then she is much more unhappier compared to other ones. But again we have to be careful how these statistics are structured, because you can use statistics to sell any narrative , if you only focus on certain aspects and ignore the others.

those studies looks legitimate.

 

1 hour ago, zurew said:

Even if that particular statistic is right (about having children = more happiness for woman), Feminism does not cause directly unhappiness to a woman, because again feminism and not having children is not directly related. I have seen it in my own life aswell, when a "bigger" status woman dated a "lower" status guy, and now you can say that is exception to the rule again.

feminism and not having children is related. feminism program woman to arm themself  with degrees so that u can get empowered. because of hypergamy ,the available men they can date decreases and the available woman for a men decreases hence disasterous for both parties

 

1 hour ago, zurew said:

There is a very blurry line between man and woman. Why? because you can clearly see in our modern society, that masculinity does not only related to man, and femininity does not directly relates only to woman. You can see more and more masculine woman, and more and more feminine man.

this happens because modern guys take relegion lightly.they are in delusion that gender is a social construct. relegion had a purpose. this kind of delusion happens when modern men think that everyone before 1900 was retarded.the society now is in self destruction.lets see how far modern man and modernity goes

1 hour ago, zurew said:

Yes i am not denying that redpill has some truth in it. But has some toxicity and generalizations as well. Again, most of the time if you want to create a model and you want to force a narrative you will end up with a lot of 'exceptions to the rule' because your model won't fit reality. Red pill is not reality, redpill is a model to make sense of dynamics in reality, so it will be only partially true.

redpill is truth. all the society before modernity fuctioned according to redpill. all relgions were redpill. all societies were redpill. feminism has hijacked key positions of power and was brainwashing us all this time. everyone born since sexual revelution is a feminist. all men have some form of feminist ideology programmed into them. redpill is a wake up call to it. redpill wake u up from this programming. if u are convinced that redpill is toxic and made up ideology or model, then u still do not unprogrammed yourself from feminist beliefs

[something_else]

Look dude I don’t know what to tell you. You’ve been brainwashed. You’ve been dragged into an ideology that’s going to drive you insane and make you miserable for the rest of your life

I know it feels like it’s the truth, but it’s only part of the truth. You will be far better off taking the good parts of redpill and dropping the rest

Get into healthy pickup. Meet tons of new girls and you will get a much better model of how women think and act than redpill will offer you

If you live in a blue society then work on getting the fuck out of there

[zurew]

56 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

feminism and not having children is related. feminism program woman to arm themself  with degrees so that u can get empowered. because of hypergamy ,the available men they can date decreases and the available woman for a men decreases hence disasterous for both parties

Why wouldn't a man date a woman who has a higher degree compare to him, i seriously don't understand. Again, this is only true for some man. Not everyone should have families this is again a gross generalization, not everyone is suited to have families, not everyone have a goal  to have a familiy. The world cannot support to everyone have families.

You want to attach a complex problem (people not wanting to have children) to only one trait, the world is much more complex than that. More abundance is somewhat related for people not wanting to have more children or only one children. But then whats the argument, you are going to force society to consume less goods and services or pay them less money or what? Do you understand how economics works? I could list a bunch more stuff because we could get into a lot more other fields that can be related for people not wanting to have more children.

And again just because the avaliable man they can date decreases, that does not mean, that they can't find any man. I am saying this again, there are man out there who is more attracted to woman who is higher in social status compared to them. So even those woman who have phd-s can find their man and start a family . Its like you try to suggest that woman who has phd-s don't have or can't have a family, its obviously not true. Also, Woman who has a phd is only a very very very small portion of woman. So this argument that it destroys society doesn't really make any sense to me ,sorry.

I don't think man give that much fuck about woman having a degree or not, maybe for some man its a + in the bag if a woman has a degree. But to say that a man won't date a woman because she has a higher degree is ridiculous in my opinion. You have to be super insecure in yourself because you think all your value lies in your degree, so if someone has a 'better' one all your self-confidence and self-esteem goes out the window.

You try to connect your values and self-esteem to material things, so you are going end up being super insecure about everything, because if your lose your material stuff you think you are worthless.

56 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

this kind of delusion happens when modern men think that everyone before 1900 was retarded.the society now is in self destruction.lets see how far modern man and modernity goes

This again is not true. You are viewing these things very simplisticly as if you could generalise everything and view the world through a lense that you constructed, its much more nuanced, but you will ignore every other part, just to make a simplistic model of reality. There always were feminine man, there always were gay man, and there always were woman who had more masculine traits compared to some man. You gotta update your models about reality, man . You stuck in the 19-20th century. Adaptation is key for self-development.

 

56 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

redpill is truth. all the society before modernity fuctioned according to redpill. all relgions were redpill. all societies were redpill.

How many woman have you dated so far? How much experience do you have with woman? How much statistics have you gathered on your own to verify the claims of redpill?

 

56 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

this happens because modern guys take relegion lightly.they are in delusion that gender is a social construct. relegion had a purpose. this kind of delusion happens when modern men think that everyone before 1900 was retarded.the society now is in self destruction.lets see how far modern man and modernity goes

Bringing up religion is not a very good point, because you are indoctrinated with beliefs that you need to take for granted  and you can't question them because you get punished if you do.

Where do you draw the exact line between femininity and masculinity? Do you think you only have masculine traits? Do you think there is woman out there who is much more masculine compared to you? Where does femininity and masculinity exactly coming from and what decides how much masculinity and how much feminine traits you are going to have? 

Again these things doesn't fit your model, and you can't make sense of them you just label them as: 'exceptions to the rule' there are a few million exceptions to the rule then.

Edited March 19, 2022 by zurew

[itachi uchiha]

@something_else

17 hours ago, something_else said:

 

 

@something_else yup .i need to reexamine myself.but i still believe in redpill.can u give your top 10 books on dating

17 hours ago, something_else said:

 

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[itachi uchiha]

23 minutes ago, zurew said:

 

 

How many woman have you dated so far? How much experience do you have with woman? How much statistics have you gathered on your own to verify the claims of redpill?

 

 

Lol

Tbh i have not that much practical experience.

What are your top 10 books on dating/woman

I guess i need to update myself.

[zurew]

12 minutes ago, itachi uchiha said:

Lol

Tbh i have not that much practical experience.

What are your top 10 books on dating/woman

I guess i need to update myself.

 

 

 

Thats going to be more than enough for the theory part. After you watched those videos, you can start dating and getting your direct experience . Just start meeting with woman, and talking to woman.